## Catagolue Oddities

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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

Two soups containing breeders misidentified as zz_LINEAR instead of the correct zz_QUADRATIC or zz_EXPLOSIVE.

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B35n/S234t
3obobob2obo\$5ob2obobo3bo\$o3b2o2b2o2bo\$3bob2obo4b3o\$bo3bob2ob2ob2o\$2ob
2ob3ob6o\$2o5bo4bo\$2ob2o2b7obo\$2o2bo5b2o2b2o\$2o3bob5ob2o\$4bobob2o2b4o\$
4o2bo3bo4bo\$ob2obobo3bob2o\$5bobob3o2b2o\$2bobob3o3b2o\$b3o3b2ob2o!
``````

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B35n/S234t
3b2o2bob5obo\$3ob2o4bob2o\$o2bob2obobo2b2o\$b2o2bobo2b3o2bo\$bo2b2obob4o2b
o\$ob2o2bo2bo2b3o\$3ob3o3b3ob2o\$b3obobob3obo\$o2b2o2b2obo2b2o\$3o6bob5o\$4b
o4b4o2bo\$6ob5o2b2o\$2bo5b7o\$2o5b2o2bobo\$o2b4ob3obobo\$obobobo5b4o!
``````

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``````x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o\$b2o\$2o!
``````
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

Some ov_p2s have apparently appeared in the C1 census. However, the soups that produce the "p2" are just completely normal soups. I suspect this is a separation issue that treats normal ash as a single object.
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

creeperman7002 wrote:
January 19th, 2022, 12:05 am
Some ov_p2s have apparently appeared in the C1 census. However, the soups that produce the "p2" are just completely normal soups. I suspect this is a separation issue that treats normal ash as a single object.
In both soups, there are points in their evolution where the soup is entirely stabilized except for a single glider which collides with something and reignites it.

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obbbbobboboobbbb\$
bbbboobboooooooo\$
oobobboobbooooob\$
oobobbbbbobbbbob\$
oooooboboboobbob\$
bbooooobbbobobbb\$
oboooobboobbobob\$
obbbobobobbboobb\$
oooobbobobbobboo\$
bbbbbbbbooooobbo\$
bbboooooooobboob\$
obobooobbboboobo\$
bbbobbooboobooob\$
oboboobobbbbboob\$
bbbbbbbobobobooo\$
bbbbooboobbobbbo!``````

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obooobbobbbobobb\$
boobboooboobobbo\$
obbbbboboboooobb\$
bbbobbbboobbooob\$
oooooobbbboboboo\$
obbobobobooooobb\$
bbooobobbboobobo\$
oobbbbbobbooooob\$
bboooooooboobooo\$
bobobobbbooobbbb\$
boooobooobobobbo\$
bobboobooobbbboo\$
boobbobooobobbbo\$
boboobbobboboobo\$
ooobbbobbobobobb\$
oobboooobbooboob!``````
EDIT: This issue was reportedly fixed in v5.32.
Last edited by Ian07 on January 19th, 2022, 9:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

creeperman7002 wrote:
January 19th, 2022, 12:05 am
Some ov_p2s have apparently appeared in the C1 census. However, the soups that produce the "p2" are just completely normal soups. I suspect this is a separation issue that treats normal ash as a single object.
Ian07 wrote:
January 19th, 2022, 1:40 pm
In both soups, there are points in their evolution where the soup is entirely stabilized except for a single glider which collides with something and reignites it. ...
That may be so, but it's logically incorrect to separate out gliders or other spaceships, unless they are at an outside edge, far enough away that it's impossible for them to collide with anything else.

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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

The xq37886 in this rule is repeatedly misidentified as yl4362.

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3-cj4jrt5e6ein7e/S2aek3ijnqr4cein5acin6ckn78
o2bo2bo2bo\$b2ob2ob7obo\$4obo3bob5o\$3obo3bobob2obo\$3b2obob5obo\$o2bobo2bo
b3ob2o\$b2obo2b4ob4o\$2bob2obob2o4bo\$2b2o2b2obo2bobo\$bob2o3bobobo2bo\$bob
2ob2obo2b2o\$b2ob2o3b2obobo\$2bobo2bob5o\$2o3bo2bo2b3obo\$o3b2o5b3o\$2ob2ob
o2bobobo!
``````

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``````x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o\$b2o\$2o!
``````
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

LaundryPizza03 wrote:
March 5th, 2022, 2:36 pm
The xq37886 in this rule is repeatedly misidentified as yl4362.

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3-cj4jrt5e6ein7e/S2aek3ijnqr4cein5acin6ckn78
o2bo2bo2bo\$b2ob2ob7obo\$4obo3bob5o\$3obo3bobob2obo\$3b2obob5obo\$o2bobo2bo
b3ob2o\$b2obo2b4ob4o\$2bob2obob2o4bo\$2b2o2b2obo2bobo\$bob2o3bobobo2bo\$bob
2ob2obo2b2o\$b2ob2o3b2obobo\$2bobo2bob5o\$2o3bo2bo2b3obo\$o3b2o5b3o\$2ob2ob
o2bobobo!
``````
wow, that is a bit wild. I can see the reason why apgsearch did that, maybe it needs to check for more than 4 cycles(in case of a failed rro) but might increase the search time. and 6 for hexagonal rules.
Nothing to apgsearch? Try b38s23/C1!

B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k!!!

b2n3-q5y6cn7s23-k4c8

B3-kq6cn8/S2-i3-a4ciyz8

B3-kq4z5e7c8/S2-ci3-a4ciq5ek6eik7

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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

The xq13386 in this rule is sometimes misidentified as "yl429_1_-3_840ae4d79b0bce1dd50b1f250c01b483". It consists of a c/3d wickstretcher connected to a slightly faster fuse that burns at 48c/143d. I have not seen this in other rules with similar high-period spaceships.

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3aeiry4kz5j6kn8/S2-ci3-ac4aijwyz5ajr6-i7c8
b2ob2o3b4o2bo\$3obob3ob2ob3o\$obo3b4o2b2o\$4obob4o2b2o\$2o2bobo3bo2bo\$ob2o
2b3o3b3o\$b2o2b2ob2o2b4o\$2bobo4bo2b3o\$o2bobob3o4b2o\$b2obob5obob2o\$obobo
3bobobo2bo\$2b2o4bobo2b2o\$6o2b2obobo\$b2o4b3o4b2o\$3b2obob2obobo\$2bo2b2o
3bob2obo!
``````

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``````x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o\$b2o\$2o!
``````
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

LaundryPizza03 wrote:
March 5th, 2022, 2:36 pm
The xq37886 in this rule is repeatedly misidentified as yl4362.

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3-cj4jrt5e6ein7e/S2aek3ijnqr4cein5acin6ckn78
...
``````
My theory is that if apgsearch starts identifying the spaceship after a certain time limit, then it detects that the "rotating puffer" has a population that increases with a period of 4362 and 2 types of difference (4 and 6 due to the two phases of the p2) that sum to 10 cells.
LaundryPizza03 wrote:
March 11th, 2022, 11:18 pm
The xq13386 in this rule is sometimes misidentified as "yl429_1_-3_840ae4d79b0bce1dd50b1f250c01b483". It consists of a c/3d wickstretcher connected to a slightly faster fuse that burns at 48c/143d. ....
Similarly, the pattern's population appears to decrease with a period of 429 and only 1 type of difference at -3 cells. Certainly interesting.

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The latter synthesis is not reduced after the former is submitted as the second to last step:

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``````#C [[ GRID MAXGRIDSIZE 14 THEME Catagolue ]]
#CSYNTH xs19_4a9jwcczx1qm costs 9 gliders (pseudo).
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 167, y = 89, rule = B3/S23
166bo\$164b2o\$165b2o17\$84bo\$82bobo\$83b2o40\$123bo\$121b2o\$122b2o2\$
113bo\$113b2o\$112bobo2bobo\$117b2o\$118bo7\$37bobo\$38b2o\$38bo2\$47bo\$bo
45bo58b3o5b3o\$2bo36b2o6bo\$3o35bobo77bo\$40bo2b3o3b3o66bo\$4b3o111bo\$
6bo40bo\$5bo41bo66b3o\$47bo!``````

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``````#C [[ GRID MAXGRIDSIZE 14 THEME Catagolue ]]
#CSYNTH xs15_4a9jzx1qm costs 11 gliders (true).
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 221, y = 72, rule = B3/S23
116bo\$117b2o\$116b2o14\$166bo\$167b2o4bo\$166b2o4bo\$172b3o\$219bo\$218bo
\$62bo98bobo10bo43b3o\$bo60bo98b2o11bo\$2bo59bo94bo4bo11bo40b2o\$3o34b
o118bobo56b2o\$38b2o7b3o8b3o3b3o89bobo11b3o3b3o30bob2o\$4b3o30b2o4bo
3bo109bo51b2obo\$6bo36b2o3bo13bo111bo38b2o2b2o\$5bo36bobo17bo89b2o
20bo40bo2bo\$62bo89b2o20bo40bobo\$216bo38\$97b3o\$99bo\$98bo!``````
EDIT: this issue seems to be solved half a day later.
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

Ian07
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

This is not a bug. Past period 130, Catagolue just assumes the prefix is accurate, since it takes too long to actually simulate the oscillator. This is also why you don't see the min/max population or the rulespace.

Ian07
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xp2 ... b3s23/C4_4 has a C4_4 sample soup that was found by Charity Engine on February 19, 2022. It doesn't even produce that constellation:

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``````x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
obbbbbobboooobooobbbooboboooobbo\$
bbobbobooooooobbboobbboboobobobb\$
bobbbboobbooobbbobboobbbbobobbob\$
obbbbobbobobobobbbboooboobbobbbb\$
ooooooooboobbbbbobooboobbooobbbb\$
obbboobbbbbbbooboobbbobobbooobob\$
ooobobbbbboobobbbobbbbooobbobobo\$
bobobbobobobboobbbbooooobbboboob\$
obbobooooooboobbboobbbooobbbobob\$
bobbobooobobbobbobbbbobobbbobboo\$
obboooboboobboobbooboooooobooooo\$
oboobbbobbooooobbbboobbbbobbbooo\$
bbooobbobbbobbobobbbobbobbbboooo\$
bobbobbbobobbbobbbbbooooooobbbob\$
bobbboobobobbbbooboooobbobobobbo\$
oboboobbbobboboooobbbbbbbbbbbbbo\$
obbbbbbbbbbbbboooobobbobbboobobo\$
obbobobobbooooboobbbboboboobbbob\$
bobbbooooooobbbbbobbbobobbbobbob\$
oooobbbbobbobbbobobbobbbobbooobb\$
ooobbbobbbboobbbbooooobbobbboobo\$
ooooobooooooboobboobboobobooobbo\$
oobbobbbobobbbbobbobbobooobobbob\$
bobobbbooobbboobbbooboooooobobbo\$
boobobbbooooobbbboobbobobobbobob\$
obobobbooobbbbobbboboobbbbbobooo\$
bobooobbobobbbooboobbbbbbboobbbo\$
bbbbooobbooboobobbbbbooboooooooo\$
bbbbobboobooobbbbobobobobbobbbbo\$
bobbobobbbboobbobbbooobboobbbbob\$
bboboboobobbboobbbooooooobobbobb\$
obbooooboboobbboooboooobbobbbbbo!``````

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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/b3s ... soups/xs10 has an invalid still life at the very bottom of the list (xs10_g8ov52z01). The object page itself will just tell you the object is invalid, which makes it hard to see the attributes for this object.
Edit: This has been removed from the symmetry it came from (D8_1), and thus will be removed from all-soups the next time it updates.
Last edited by KyYay on August 14th, 2022, 5:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

KyYay wrote:
Yesterday, 4:09 am
https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/b3s ... soups/xs10 has an invalid still life at the very bottom of the list (xs10_g8ov52z01). The object page itself will just tell you the object is invalid, which makes it hard to see the attributes for this object.
It looks like a boat-tie where one of the characters in the apgcode got replaced with a capital letter or some other invalid character.
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

How does Jason's p22 have 2 G2_2 soups and 0 C2_2 ones, when C2_2 has so much more soups than G2_2? (7.4 vs 2.6 trillion)
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### Re: Catagolue Oddities

ihatecorderships wrote:
Yesterday, 5:40 pm
How does Jason's p22 have 2 G2_2 soups and 0 C2_2 ones, when C2_2 has so much more soups than G2_2? (7.4 vs 2.6 trillion)
We just got mildly unlucky, that's all. The odds of both of them appearing in the most recent 2.6 trillion soups, out of 10 trillion, are 6.76%.