alright. could i make a "thread for corderization requests?" everywhere in OCA i see people like FWK and Naszvadi corderizing puffers in different rules. i want a place where people could ask for corderization without getting off topic.
Thread for basic questions
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what guns (or rakes) could support this?
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21$144bo$143bo$143b3o7$28bo113bo$29bo111bo$27b3o111b3o7$40bo99bo$41bo
97bo$39b3o97b3o7$52bo85bo$53bo83bo$51b3o83b3o7$64bo71bo$65bo69bo$63b3o
69b3o7$76bo57bo$77bo55bo$75b3o55b3o7$88bo43bo$89bo41bo$87b3o41b3o7$
100bo29bo$101bo27bo$99b3o27b3o7$112bo5b3o$113bo4bo$111b3o4b3o!
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x=17,y=16,rule=B3/S23
3bo3bobo2bob2o$bobo4bo4b4o$bobo5bobo2b3o$b2obob2o3b2o$3o4b2ob2o2b2o$4b
o4bo$4b2obobob2ob3o$3ob3o2b2o$b3o2bobobo5bo$o3b2o3bobo2b2o$4bo3bob2o3b
o$2obo2bobobo2b2o$3b3o5bo2b2o$2obo4bo2bob2o$o3bob2obo3b2o$2bo8bobobo![[ STOP 3 GPS 4 ]]
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Seems vaguely reasonable to me. Maybe it's kind of a specialized topic, maybe it wouldn't get much use, but it wouldn't be the first topic for which that was true.get_Snacked wrote: ↑January 14th, 2023, 12:06 pmcould i make a "thread for corderization requests?" everywhere in OCA i see people like FWK and Naszvadi corderizing puffers in different rules. i want a place where people could ask for corderization without getting off topic.
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About the previous active region: I forgot to mention this, which emits it as a huge spark.
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x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bobo$3bo3bo$3bo3bo$3bo3bo$2o2bobo$2o3bo!
User:HotdogPi/My discoveries
Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun
Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun
Re: Thread for basic questions
Can we construct a breeder, that supports the following formula:
p_t = 1/2 t^2 + 1/2 t + p_0
or
p_t = t^2+p_0?
(in these cases, t is the generation, and p_t means the population of the populations of generation t. especially, p_0 is the initial population.)
p_t = 1/2 t^2 + 1/2 t + p_0
or
p_t = t^2+p_0?
(in these cases, t is the generation, and p_t means the population of the populations of generation t. especially, p_0 is the initial population.)
Still wandering ...
Re: Thread for basic questions
Great work!
A few more comments:
- "extensible\ngreyship\nHH 24 Mar 2006": greyships are extensible by definition. Call this "c/4 greyship" instead.
- "c/2 wickstretcher\nJS 4 May 2005": Hartmut Holzwart should also be credited.
- "switch engine Heisenburp reaction\nDIB 21 Jun 2005": The Heisenburp reaction refers to the reaction where the two gliders pass through a switch engine, causing it to leave two trails of blocks. The front glider-releasing part should probably be called "backward Corderrake" (also found by David Bell on 21 Jun 2005).
- "c/2 wickstretcher\nJS/HH 1 Jul 2005": try to put this label above the wickstretcher. If possible, make "L/M/HWSS JHC 1970" a two-line label to give more room for the wickstretcher label.
- "HWSS Corderrake\nDIB 2005": found by David Bell on 12 Jun 2005
- "modular c/4 wick spaceship\nNB 21 Mar 2006": those are waves, not wicks, so it should be called something using "wave" or "waveguide". Hartmut Holzwart should also be credited.
- "c/4 diagonal\nwaveguide\nNB 2006": that's a wick, not a wave. I suggest crediting the tubstretcher and tubeater separately. The tubeater was found by Hartmut Holzwart, 10 Nov 2004. The crab tubstretcher was found by Nicolay Beluchenko on 5 Aug 2005. You have the stretcher labeled elsewhere, but you should label it here as well since they are far apart.
- "crab tubstretcher\nNB Aug 2005": this was found by Nicolay Beluchenko on 5 Aug 2005.
- "growing spaceship\nNB 12 Aug 2006": I think you should have the label travel with the c/5 double tubeater instead of the crab wickstretchers. The c/5 double tubeater was found by Nicolay Beluchenko, 17 Jul 2006.
- "pi ship AH 11 May 1994": Hartmut Holzwart should also be credited.
- "antstretcher/tubstretcher\nNB 2006": found by Nicolay Beluchenko on 7 Jan 2006.
- "Period-156 glider gun\nJS 28 Oct 2004": for consistency with the p256 gun label, "period-156" should be replaced with "p156". Alternatively, in the p256 gun label "p256" can be replaced with "Period-256".
- "rhombic greyship\nNB 13 Apr 2005": this was found by Nicolay Beluchenko on 13 Apr 2006 (not 2005).
- "wickstretcher\nHH 3 May 2005": I don't think this should be called a "wickstretcher" since there is no fencepost shown for it. Instead I would suggest calling it a "wick ship"
- The tubeater following the antstretcher/tubstretcher combo was found by Nicolay Beluchenko on 15 Sep 2005.
- Under the label for the period-156 glider gun there is a large glider eater found by Dean Hickerson on 25 Sep 1998
- The tub-with-tail eater at the bottom center of the p256 could be labeled (is the discoverer really unknown?).
- The long bookend glider eater in the upper right corner of the p256 gun was found by Dean Hickerson on 1 Nov 1998/
- The p8 bouncer (bottom left of p256 gun) was discovered by Noam Elkies on 16 Sep 1998.
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Re: Thread for basic questions
get_Snacked wrote: ↑January 14th, 2023, 12:06 pmcould i make a "thread for corderization requests?" everywhere in OCA i see people like FWK and Naszvadi corderizing puffers in different rules. i want a place where people could ask for corderization without getting off topic.
Closest I could find is the Thread for your engineered puffers in OCA. I guess that thread can be slightly repurposed to become a Thread for Discussion and Help Requests with Engineered Moving Objects?
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Re: Thread for basic questions
how about just a simple "Puffer Engineering Thread?"confocaloid wrote: ↑January 15th, 2023, 10:03 pmClosest I could find is the Thread for your engineered puffers in OCA. I guess that thread can be slightly repurposed to become a Thread for Discussion and Help Requests with Engineered Moving Objects?
EDIT: or, a fun Sandbox game called "Corderize It!"
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Edits made. Much appreciation for your detailed review and input.
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Another (hopefully final) set of edits made today. Wiki rle also updated.
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Are there any 96/384c diagonal, one object puffers?
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I have discovered SKOP for 115, 188, 492 and gun_ and guntrue_ for 200, 226, 339, 752, 1944, 6624.
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Without it, there's a bounding box glitch where it's considered to be smaller than it actually is.rattlesnake wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2023, 6:49 amWhy did gun_752 and guntrue_752 formerly contain a mango?
It shouldn't have been removed.
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Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun
Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun
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Re: Thread for basic questions
Is there a working catalyst for this reaction? Everything I tried fails to recover.
What are known periodic replacements for the beehive push catalyst?
(Reposted to update and add a question)
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143b2o$143b2o14$2ob2o10bo29bo29bo29bo29bo$2obo10bo29bo29bo16b2o11bo29b
o$3bo10b3o27b3o27b3o15bo11b3o19bo7b3o$3b3o29bo28b2o26bob2o29bobo$6bo
27bobo26bo2bo26bo2bo27bobo$3b3o27bobo27bobo28b2o27bobo$3bo30bo29bo57bo
bo$2obo119bo$2ob2o2$10b2o28b2o28b2o28b2o28b2o$10bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo
27bobo$11bo29bo29bo29bo29bo!
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x = 782, y = 760, rule = LifeHistory
A.A$.2A$.A28$31.A$32.2A$31.2A13$47.A$48.A$46.3A14$61.A.A$62.2A$62.A
13$78.A$76.A.A$77.2A13$92.A$93.2A$92.2A13$108.A$109.A$107.3A14$122.A.
A$123.2A$123.A13$139.A$137.A.A$138.2A13$153.A$154.2A$153.2A13$169.A$
170.A$168.3A29$200.A$198.A.A$199.2A13$214.A$215.2A$214.2A13$230.A$
231.A$229.3A14$244.A.A$245.2A$245.A13$261.A$259.A.A$260.2A13$275.A$
276.2A$275.2A13$291.A$292.A$290.3A14$305.A.A$306.2A$306.A13$322.A$
320.A.A$321.2A28$352.A$353.A$351.3A14$366.A.A$367.2A$367.A13$383.A$
381.A.A$382.2A13$397.A$398.2A$397.2A13$413.A$414.A$412.3A14$427.A.A$
428.2A$428.A13$444.A$442.A.A$443.2A13$458.A$459.2A$458.2A13$474.A$
475.A$473.3A14$488.A.A$489.2A$489.A28$519.A$520.2A$519.2A13$535.A$
536.A$534.3A14$549.A.A$550.2A$550.A13$566.A$564.A.A$565.2A13$580.A$
581.2A$580.2A13$596.A$597.A$595.3A14$610.A.A$611.2A$611.A13$627.A$
625.A.A$626.2A13$641.A$642.2A$641.2A13$657.A$658.A$656.3A29$688.A$
686.A.A$687.2A13$702.A$703.2A$702.2A9$739.2A6.2A5.2A6.2A$747.A7.A$
737.A3.A6.3A.3A6.A3.A$737.A4.A7.A.A7.A4.A$638.A79.A20.A.A.A15.A.A.A$
639.A79.A20.A.A.A13.A.A.A$637.3A77.3A21.A4.A9.A4.A$742.A3.A9.A3.A2$
743.2A13.2A$670.3A78.A$669.A3.A76.3A$669.A3.A70.2A11.2A$670.3A70.A.A
11.A.A$743.A15.A$742.2A15.2A$749.5A$609.2A.2A136.3A$610.A.A57.3A78.A$
593.D11.2A.A5.A.2A51.A3.A$594.D9.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A33.A.A14.A3.A58.A.A$
592.3D8.A6.A.A6.A33.2A15.3A60.2A$603.7A3.7A33.A79.A2$605.3A7.3A$604.A
2.A3.A3.A2.A52.A79.A$604.2A4.A.A4.2A51.A.A27.C49.A.A27.C$610.A.A57.A.
A26.C.C48.A.A26.C.C$611.A59.A27.C.C49.A27.C.C$700.C79.C$629.D59.D79.D
$629.D.D57.D.D77.D.D$610.3D5.2A9.3D38.3D5.2A9.3D58.3D5.2A9.3D$610.D2.
D4.2A11.D38.D2.D4.2A11.D58.D2.D4.2A11.D$609.D2.2D55.D2.2D75.D2.2D$
609.2D2.D55.2D2.D75.2D2.D2$600.2A28.2A28.2A28.2A48.2A28.2A$600.A.A23.
A3.2A28.A.A23.A3.2A48.A.A23.A3.2A$602.A6.2A5.2A7.A.A34.A6.2A5.2A7.A.A
54.A6.2A5.2A7.A.A$602.3A3.A2.A4.A.A5.A.A35.3A3.A2.A4.A.A5.A.A55.3A3.A
2.A4.A.A5.A.A$600.2A3.A3.A.A6.A5.A35.2A3.A3.A.A6.A5.A55.2A3.A3.A.A6.A
5.A$599.A2.4A4.A7.2A3.2A34.A2.4A4.A7.2A3.2A54.A2.4A4.A7.2A3.2A$599.2A
.A10.2A44.2A.A10.2A64.2A.A10.2A$602.A.2A7.A48.A.2A7.A68.A.2A7.A$602.A
.A9.3A45.A.A9.3A65.A.A9.3A$601.2A.A.A9.A44.2A.A.A9.A64.2A.A.A9.A$605.
2A58.2A78.2A!
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Re: Thread for basic questions
are there any conduits which have this object as an interrmediate, other than the walrus-to-G?
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3b2o$4bo$o3bo$b3o!
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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo8$b3o$b3o$obo$2o!
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Re: Thread for basic questions
It might be easier to find reactions that enter this sequence later. For the exact phase shown, there is only one octo3obj match:C28 wrote: ↑January 25th, 2023, 3:07 pmare there any conduits which have this object as an interrmediate, other than the walrus-to-G?Code: Select all
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#C [[ STOP 100 ]]
x = 38, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
36bo$35bo$35b3o$31bo$31bo$3b2o26bo$4bo23bo$o3bo22bobo$b3o23bobo$28bo$
31b2o$31b2o!
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#C octo3g results for the final constellation
x = 1299, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
7b2o133bo64bo63bo63bo56bo72bo55bo62bo65bo61bo68bo64bo59bo63bo61bo63bo
72bo54bo63bo$7b2o131b2o66bo63bo62bobo55bo72bo55bo62bo63bo63bo68bo64bo
59bo63bo61bo63bo3bo58bo7bo56bo63bo$136bo4b2o63b3o61b3o62b2o54b3o70b3o
53b3o60b3o63b3o59b3o66b3o62b3o57b3o61b3o2bo56b3o61b3o2bo60bo6b3o52b3o
61b3o$137bo319bo515bo126b3o56b3o$2o133b3o317bobo67b2o121bo324b3o62b3o$
2o205b2o62b2o118b2o63b2o6b2o58b2o60b2o61bo64b3o66bobo61b2o54b2o62b2o
64b3o2bo59b2o63b3o58b3o61b3o$208b2o62b2o118b2o71b2o59bo58bobo59b3o64bo
68b2o61b2o56b2o62b2o65bo3bo59b2o64bo60bo63bo$207bo63bo119bo72bo54b3o
65bo127bo68bo54b2o7bo54bo63bo66bo63bo65bo60bo63bo$137b3o381bo318b2o$
139bo124bo255bo129b3o59b3o124bo$138bo125b2o62bo259b2o60bo63bo195bo$
263bobo63bo258bobo60bo61bo195b2o$199b3o125b3o258bo186b2o132bobo320bo$
201bo574b2o453b2o$200bo574bo455bobo$328b2o$329b2o$328bo6$1296b3o$6b2o
1288bo$5bo2bo1288bo$6b2o2$411b3o$411bo$412bo!
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#C [[ STOP 29 ]]
x = 12, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
5.B$2.4B3D2B$2.2B2AD4B$.4BA3D3B$.AD2BA5B$BDACA6B$.2D7B$3.B.4B$6.2B!
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Unlikely events happen.
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Re: Thread for basic questions
what?confocaloid wrote: ↑January 25th, 2023, 5:26 pmIt might be easier to find reactions that enter this sequence later. For the exact phase shown, there is only one octo3obj match:For generation 1 of the pattern, there are already 30 octohash results, 9 octo3g results, and 94 octo3obj results. For the final constellation, there are 101 octohash results and 19 octo3g results.Code: Select all
#C [[ STOP 100 ]] x = 38, y = 12, rule = B3/S23 36bo$35bo$35b3o$31bo$31bo$3b2o26bo$4bo23bo$o3bo22bobo$b3o23bobo$28bo$ 31b2o$31b2o!
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#C octo3g results for the final constellation x = 1299, y = 31, rule = B3/S23 7b2o133bo64bo63bo63bo56bo72bo55bo62bo65bo61bo68bo64bo59bo63bo61bo63bo 72bo54bo63bo$7b2o131b2o66bo63bo62bobo55bo72bo55bo62bo63bo63bo68bo64bo 59bo63bo61bo63bo3bo58bo7bo56bo63bo$136bo4b2o63b3o61b3o62b2o54b3o70b3o 53b3o60b3o63b3o59b3o66b3o62b3o57b3o61b3o2bo56b3o61b3o2bo60bo6b3o52b3o 61b3o$137bo319bo515bo126b3o56b3o$2o133b3o317bobo67b2o121bo324b3o62b3o$ 2o205b2o62b2o118b2o63b2o6b2o58b2o60b2o61bo64b3o66bobo61b2o54b2o62b2o 64b3o2bo59b2o63b3o58b3o61b3o$208b2o62b2o118b2o71b2o59bo58bobo59b3o64bo 68b2o61b2o56b2o62b2o65bo3bo59b2o64bo60bo63bo$207bo63bo119bo72bo54b3o 65bo127bo68bo54b2o7bo54bo63bo66bo63bo65bo60bo63bo$137b3o381bo318b2o$ 139bo124bo255bo129b3o59b3o124bo$138bo125b2o62bo259b2o60bo63bo195bo$ 263bobo63bo258bobo60bo61bo195b2o$199b3o125b3o258bo186b2o132bobo320bo$ 201bo574b2o453b2o$200bo574bo455bobo$328b2o$329b2o$328bo6$1296b3o$6b2o 1288bo$5bo2bo1288bo$6b2o2$411b3o$411bo$412bo!
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#C [[ STOP 29 ]] x = 12, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory 5.B$2.4B3D2B$2.2B2AD4B$.4BA3D3B$.AD2BA5B$BDACA6B$.2D7B$3.B.4B$6.2B!
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the U-turner gallery
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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo8$b3o$b3o$obo$2o!
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Re: Thread for basic questions
How many 3-state isotropic non-totalistic rules are there?
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3bo3bobo2bob2o$bobo4bo4b4o$bobo5bobo2b3o$b2obob2o3b2o$3o4b2ob2o2b2o$4b
o4bo$4b2obobob2ob3o$3ob3o2b2o$b3o2bobobo5bo$o3b2o3bobo2b2o$4bo3bob2o3b
o$2obo2bobobo2b2o$3b3o5bo2b2o$2obo4bo2bob2o$o3bob2obo3b2o$2bo8bobobo![[ STOP 3 GPS 4 ]]
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Re: Thread for basic questions
With 2 states there are 102 possible 3x3 windows, accounting for rotations and reflections (Hensel notation) and 2^102 possible rules. This is a number with 31 decimal digits: 5070602400912917605986812821504.
If I'm not mistaken, there are 2862 possible 3x3 windows (see this forum post), accounting for symmetries. Hence there are 3^2862 possible rules; this is a number with 1366 decimal digits: 3319181549...1574242809.
Note that some of these rules may be equivalent, because a certain 3x3 neighbourhood can never occur as a result of evolution in a certain rule, unless present at T = 0.
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Re: Thread for basic questions
At least there is a p5 V sparker.confocaloid wrote: ↑January 24th, 2023, 11:28 amWhat are known periodic replacements for the beehive push catalyst?
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My question: how many asymmetric synthesis reactions of the following type are known?
xs23_35s2ll2zx11078c + 3G → xs22_69bqhbqic
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x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$12bobo$12bo$9b2obo$8bob2o$bobo4bo8bo$2b2o3b2ob2o3b2o$2bo3bo2bo2b
o3b2o$6b2o2b2o4$b2o$obo$2bo!
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x = 21, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
2$2bo$3bo$b3o4b2o$8bobob2o$6bobob2obo$5bobo$2b2o2bo$2bob2o3$3b2o$4b2o
$3bo!
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x = 6, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o3$bobo$b2obo$4bo$4b2o!
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Harvest Moon
2-engine p45 gliderless HWSS gun
Small p2070 glider gun
Forgive me if I withhold my enthusiasm.
Harvest Moon
2-engine p45 gliderless HWSS gun
Small p2070 glider gun
Forgive me if I withhold my enthusiasm.
Re: Thread for basic questions
I think the most accurate answer is "Some."
This won't be much help, but I do remember the topic coming up at least once before, early in the Extrementhusiast Era sometime, when conversion components were being collected and catalogued in a big way.
I think the consensus was that things like this, where something complicated was used as raw material but none of the original object's structure remained in the final object, really can't be counted as conversion components -- they're really just a weird variety of ex nihilo recipe where the bait material is unusually expensive.
(I tried searching for "ex nihilo" in hopes that someone would have used that phrase the last time this came up, but no luck there.)
A New Conjecture for Spaceship
Can we find spaceships operation in variable speed?
I think these spaceships need to change it's appearance.And discard some wastes from them.
I think these spaceships need to change it's appearance.And discard some wastes from them.