Thread for basic questions
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Where, exactly is Golly 2.9? Also, if anyone is interested, I actually have some Golly 3.0 beta. Norton deleted the actual application, but...I found I still had the zip file, so I re-extracted it yesterday, and Norton didn't delete the application this time!
Re: Thread for basic questions
I'm a bit late to respond to this, but I've gone into the detail on the combinatorics here before.KittyTac wrote:How big is the LTL rulespace for R < 100?
Like the previous time a similar question was asked, people then went on to do maths I had already done a year before. I'm not going to say that my pdf contains no mistakes (or is all that comprehensive), but it's probably worth keeping in mind when these questions come up. (Not that I blame people for being unwilling to put in the effort to download a .txt file, rename it to a .pdf, and then view it.)
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The new features and improvements to Golly after v2.8 were considered significant enough to warrant a major version update, so the next version released was 3.0. See http://golly.sourceforge.net/Help/changes.html for a summary.wwei23 wrote:Where, exactly is Golly 2.9?
The 5S project (Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds) is now maintained by AforAmpere. The latest collection is hosted on GitHub and contains well over 1,000,000 spaceships.
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Another silly question: how much time a meta-0E0P metacell (that is, a 0E0P made out of 0E0P cells) would take to replicate at 8^0?
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Assuming one generation per second, it would take 2^72 seconds (or 150 trillion years).KittyTac wrote:Another silly question: how much time a meta-0E0P metacell (that is, a 0E0P made out of 0E0P cells) would take to replicate at 8^0?
But one generation per second is unduly pessimistic; it took streamlife only 30 days to simulate the 0E0P metacell, compared with 2177 years if it ran at one generation per second.
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You already made one?calcyman wrote:Assuming one generation per second, it would take 2^72 seconds (or 150 trillion years).KittyTac wrote:Another silly question: how much time a meta-0E0P metacell (that is, a 0E0P made out of 0E0P cells) would take to replicate at 8^0?
But one generation per second is unduly pessimistic; it took streamlife only 30 days to simulate the 0E0P metacell, compared with 2177 years if it ran at one generation per second.
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Yes: https://cp4space.wordpress.com/2018/11/ ... plication/gameoflifemaniac wrote:You already made one?calcyman wrote:Assuming one generation per second, it would take 2^72 seconds (or 150 trillion years).KittyTac wrote:Another silly question: how much time a meta-0E0P metacell (that is, a 0E0P made out of 0E0P cells) would take to replicate at 8^0?
But one generation per second is unduly pessimistic; it took streamlife only 30 days to simulate the 0E0P metacell, compared with 2177 years if it ran at one generation per second.
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Please tell where I can find an attachment with the pattern!calcyman wrote:Yes: https://cp4space.wordpress.com/2018/11/ ... plication/gameoflifemaniac wrote:You already made one?calcyman wrote: Assuming one generation per second, it would take 2^72 seconds (or 150 trillion years).
But one generation per second is unduly pessimistic; it took streamlife only 30 days to simulate the 0E0P metacell, compared with 2177 years if it ran at one generation per second.
Shouldn't there be a new topic about this great new invention?
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It's kind of big for an attachment. Looks like complete_default.mc in the slmake repository is a working sample metacell, but I don't see where it says what the default rule is.gameoflifemaniac wrote:Please tell where I can find an attachment with the pattern!
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isotropic-metafier.py can build you a metacell programmed for whatever rule you want, but you have to have the repository cloned to your machine so the script can make the necessary lifelib calls.
In any case, be prepared to spend a month or more of CPU time to run the metacell as far as meta-T = 1...!
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Traceback (most recent call last):
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File "C:\Users\(Don't want to show)\Desktop\(Don't want to show)\golly-2.8-win-32bit\Scripts\Python\isotropic-metafier.py", line 30, in <module>
from lifelib.genera.isotropic import str2tab
ImportError: No module named lifelib.genera.isotropic
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Python error:
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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
File "C:\Users\(Don't want to show)\Desktop\(Don't want to show)\golly-2.8-win-32bit\Scripts\Python\isotropic-metafier.py", line 30, in <module>
from lifelib.genera.isotropic import str2tab
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It's not a Golly Python script, and it needs access to various pattern files in order to run.gameoflifemaniac wrote:---------------------------
Python error:
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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
File "C:\Users\(Don't want to show)\Desktop\(Don't want to show)\golly-2.8-win-32bit\Scripts\Python\isotropic-metafier.py", line 30, in <module>
from lifelib.genera.isotropic import str2tab
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Your best bet is to git-clone the repository in Cygwin (see Dave's slsparse tutorial) and then execute isotropic-metafier.py from within the repository directory.
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However, once again, unless you're prepared to run the resulting pattern for about a month (using StreamLife) or something closer to a full year (using regular Golly HashLife), it seems like you're likely to have a hard time seeing any difference in large-scale behavior between the default 0E0P metacell and a custom-programmed one... in which case, what good does it really do to run isotropic-metafier.py?dvgrn wrote:...but you have to have the repository cloned to your machine so the script can make the necessary lifelib calls.
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Who discovered the P41 wick-that-vexes-absolutely-everyone?
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I meant not one generation per second. I meant the standard speed.
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Achim Flammenkamp. (Edit by Sokwe: it was found on August 9, 1994)wwei23 wrote:Who discovered the P41 wick-that-vexes-absolutely-everyone?
What does 'standard speed' mean? The Golly step sizes don't correspond to speeds in any natural way -- they depend on both the pattern and the machine you're using. When I've tried running [the 0E0P metacell] at a step size of 1, it's always been roughly one generation per second, give or take an order of magnitude.KittyTac wrote:I meant not one generation per second. I meant the standard speed.
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By normal speed I meant the speed you get from running HashLife on an empty grid at 8^0. (Assuming an adequate computer).
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Re: Thread for basic questions
depends on the setting on minimum and maximum step delay, minimum defaulting to 0.025 sec but i'm not sure.KittyTac wrote:By normal speed I meant the speed you get from running HashLife on an empty grid at 8^0. (Assuming an adequate computer).
In this case, we're converting 1g per 1s to 1g per 0.025s
so just multiply the time it takes at 1gps with 0.025
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Does @calcyman have access to the emails of catagolue users? Maybe he could contact carybe and point them towards this forum, so we could thank them for their contributions.
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What p41 wick?calcyman wrote:Achim Flammenkamp.wwei23 wrote:Who discovered the P41 wick-that-vexes-absolutely-everyone?
What does 'standard speed' mean? The Golly step sizes don't correspond to speeds in any natural way -- they depend on both the pattern and the machine you're using. When I've tried running [the 0E0P metacell] at a step size of 1, it's always been roughly one generation per second, give or take an order of magnitude.KittyTac wrote:I meant not one generation per second. I meant the standard speed.
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This one. (4th)gameoflifemaniac wrote:What p41 wick?
Yeah, it's been tried, actually. Hasn't worked yet -- I might not even have gotten past carybe's spam filters -- but maybe every now and then it will be worth sending another trial email.danny wrote:Does @calcyman have access to the emails of catagolue users? Maybe he could contact carybe and point them towards this forum, so we could thank them for their contributions.
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So what rules can the 0E0P metacell simulate?
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As far as I know, all MAP rules.gameoflifemaniac wrote:So what rules can the 0E0P metacell simulate?
Now, my question.
If you were to make a GoL glider out of 0E0P metacells, what would be its speed and period?
Now, a very silly question.
If you were to make a Caterpillar out of 0E0P metacells, what would be its speed and period, and how many cells would it take?
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Any MAP rule, not including the B0 ones. Actually also a much larger pile of 8-state BCC rules, also with B0 forbidden of course --gameoflifemaniac wrote:So what rules can the 0E0P metacell simulate?
See Talk:0E0P_metacell for discussion on which is the 0E0P's true period, 2^35 or 2^36.calcyman wrote:-- 8^4095 non-B0 8-state 4-neighbour rules (2^35 gens per metagen);
-- 2^511 non-B0 2-state 9-neighbour rules (2^36 gens per metagen).
EDIT: For the purposes of KittyTac's questions, 2^36 is the right answer, because a 2-state 9-neighbor rule is being emulated. That means that all periods get multiplied by 68719476736, and all speeds get multiplied by 68719476736/262144 = 262144.
So a glider is period 4*68719476736 =274877906944, speed c/(4*262144) = c/1048576.
The Caterpillar is period 270, so the metapillar is period 270*68719476736 = 18554258718720. The Caterpillar travels at 17c/45, so the metapillar travels 17*262144c/45*68719476736, or 17c/11796480. Further multiplication problems will be left as an exercise for the interested reader.
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It's relatively straightforward to run python isotropic_metafier.py caterpillar.mc.gz metapillar.mc.gz to produce the file which you can download it here: https://files.hatsya.co.uk/gol/metapillar.mc.gzKittyTac wrote:Now, a very silly question.
If you were to make a Caterpillar out of 0E0P metacells, what would be its speed and period, and how many cells would it take?
According to Golly, it's 223 trillion cells.
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