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Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 17th, 2020, 7:31 am
by SquishyBoi
would it be ethical to create a thread for still lifes

just sayin'

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 17th, 2020, 8:16 am
by yujh
The rules tells u whether it is necessary for one

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 17th, 2020, 8:36 am
by Moosey
wwei23 wrote: ↑
September 16th, 2020, 10:31 pm
 Is it possible to build a rake gun where the gliders used to synthesize each rake come from the previous rake?
Yes, in fact I believe abhpzta has constructed several such objects in OCA.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 19th, 2020, 9:57 am
by wwei23
Why is the clock so rare? It's rarer than the pond, despite having less cells and fitting in the same area.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 19th, 2020, 10:12 am
by Ian07
wwei23 wrote: ↑
September 19th, 2020, 9:57 am
 Why is the clock so rare? It's rarer than the pond, despite having less cells and fitting in the same area.
Mainly because the pond has more and smaller predecessors than the clock:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
bo$2o$2bo!

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 19th, 2020, 10:18 am
by wwei23
Ian07 wrote: ↑
September 19th, 2020, 10:12 am
 Mainly because the pond has more and smaller predecessors than the clock:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
bo$2o$2bo!
But the clock is rarer than the ship, which does not seem to have any predecessors that are smaller than the clock.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 19th, 2020, 10:20 am
by Jackk
I assume the ship is so common mostly since it's part of Herschel debris.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 19th, 2020, 11:34 am
by dvgrn
The two measurements that seem relevant to clock vs. pond, or clock vs. ship are seed size and glider synthesis cost.

It so happens that you can hit a blinker with one glider and get either a pond or a ship.

You can't hit any small ash object with a glider and get a clock. I'm not sure what the smallest constellation is that produces a clock when you hit it with one glider, but I bet it's fairly big and improbable.

Similarly, ponds and ships can be created by colliding two gliders. You need four gliders to make a clock. Basically, the clock just happens to be a relatively weird, delicately balanced and unlikely mechanism.

If size was the only measurement that mattered as far as likeliness of appearance, we wouldn't have pulsars.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 19th, 2020, 1:14 pm
by wwei23
How do you find conduits? Whenever I try to perturb stuff by putting blocks and eaters around it, I just get useless things like these.

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x = 19, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
17.A$15.3A$14.A$14.2A7$2A9.3A3.2A$2A9.A.A3.2A$11.A.A3$3.A.2A$.3A.2A$A
$.3A.2A$3.A.A$3.A.A$4.A!

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x = 5, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
3.2A$3.2A5$.A.2A$.3A$2.A6$3D$2.D$.3D!

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13.2A$13.2A5$11.A.2A$11.3A$12.A6$10.2D$9.D.D$11.D3$2A$2A3$7.2A$7.2A!

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
.2D$2D2.2A$.2D2A$2.D.A2$6.2A$6.A$7.3A$9.A!

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x = 8, y = 3, rule = LifeHistory
3A3.2A$A.A3.2A$A.A!

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 19th, 2020, 1:32 pm
by dvgrn
wwei23 wrote: ↑
September 19th, 2020, 1:14 pm
 How do you find conduits? Whenever I try to perturb stuff by putting blocks and eaters around it, I just get useless things like these...
The first rule -- that I at least would like everyone to follow -- is never to just start with a pi-heptomino or R-pentomino or whatever, at T=0.

Instead, go to the Elementary Conduits Collection and pick out some common conduit that produces whatever object you want to start with. Drop in whatever input is required, run the pattern until it builds the object, and then start experimenting with adding catalysts. If everyone would do this, it would save untold hours' worth of people building non-useful non-conduits.

That said, a lot of the low-hanging discoveries have already been found, so the odds are that if you just drop blocks and eaters near things, you'll only run into conduits that are already known. It's always possible that you'll come up with something new with just manual searches, but the odds are heavily against you. If you really want to find conduits, it's probably best to invest the time in learning how to use one or more search utilities -- catgl, ptbsearch, Bellman, CatForce, or maybe CollisionsSearch.

That last one could be very interesting because hardly anyone besides Guam has ever used it. Guam was able to find quite a few new conduits with it, including the first semi-Snark.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 21st, 2020, 6:55 pm
by wwei23
What's the chance that there ends up being no stabilization for the P41 wick at all?

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 21st, 2020, 8:10 pm
by dvgrn
wwei23 wrote: ↑
September 21st, 2020, 6:55 pm
 What's the chance that there ends up being no stabilization for the P41 wick at all?
Seems very low to me, given that we already have perfectly good stabilizations for the p41 wick. They're just not true-period stabilizations:

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2A!
I'd be pretty surprised if there was absolutely no way to split a signal at p41, to get a true-period p41 gun. Maybe the p41 gun will be a loop of 2c/3 wire with as-yet-undiscovered elbows, and an attachment on one elbow that spits out a glider when a signal goes by. Or maybe it will be some huge asymmetrical thing that happens to release gliders at one edge -- maybe not findable until we have a million-qubit quantum computer, but still Out There Somewhere.

Current search technology might even be able to find something like that, with a months-long distributed search -- no way to tell without trying. Seems like the signal elbow might be easier to find than the splitter, but that would at least get us a p41 oscillator (and probably the other unknown periods as well).

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 24th, 2020, 11:06 pm
by wwei23
What kind of pattern is this? According to the LifeWiki, a wickstretcher is a spaceship-like pattern that stretches a wick that is fixed at the other end, but here, we have an oscillator-like pattern that extends a wick that moves at the other end.

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x = 1186, y = 1103, rule = B3/S23
100b2o$100bobo$102bo4b2o$98b4ob2o2bo2bo$98bo2bobobobob2o$101bobobobo$
102b2obobo$106bo2$92b2o18bo$93bo7b2o9b3o$93bobo5b2o12bo$94b2o18bobo$
114bobo$115bo5$104b2o24b2o$104bo25b2o$105b3o$81b2o24bo$82bo$80bo29b2o$
80b5o14b2o8bobo$85bo13bo9bo$82b3o12bobo8b2o7b2o$81bo15b2o18b2o$81b4o$
79b2o3bo3b2o35b2obo$78bo2b3o4b2o35b2ob3o$78b2obo49bo$81bo43b2ob3o$81b
2o41bo2b2o$123bobo$105bo16bobob3o$89b2o14b3o15bo2bo2bo$90bo17bo17bobob
o$87b3o17b2o16b2o2bobo$87bo34bobo2bobobo$122b2o2b2ob2o2$105b3o$105bo
23bo$106bo20b3o$126bo$126b2o$97bo$97b3o$100bo$99bo$99b2o$97b2o2bo$96bo
2b3o$97bo23bo$98b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo8bo$100bo7b2o3b2o6bo7bobo$102bo27b2o$
101b2o26$130b2o3b2o$130b2o2bob3o$134bo4bo$130b4ob2o2bo$130bo2bobobob2o
$133bobobobo$134b2obobo$138bo2$124b2o$125bo7b2o$125bobo5b2o$126b2o7$
136b2o$136bo10bo$137b3o8bo$139bo6b3o7$430b2o$430bobo$432bo4b2o$428b4ob
2o2bo2bo$428bo2bobobobob2o$431bobobobo$432b2obobo$436bo2$184bo237b2o$
182b3o238bo7b2o$181bo241bobo5b2o$181b2o241b2o2$453bo$451b3o$450bo$450b
2o$408bo$407bobo3b2o19b2o$406bo2bo3bo20bo23b2o$406bobob2obo21b3o21bo$
167b2o236b2obobobo24bo21bob2o$167b2o234bo2bob2o41b2o4b3o2bo$403b2o46b
2o3bo3b2o$456b4o$189b2o251b2o15bo$178b2o9b2o227b2o5b2o14bobo12b3o$177b
o2bo236bobo5bo15bo13bo$178bobo238bo3bobo14b2o14b5o$179bo225b2o16b2o10b
o24bo$405b2o28b3o20bo$438bo19b2o$222bo214b2o$166bob2o50bobo229b2o$164b
3ob2o13b2o36b2o182b2o45bo$163bo19b2o220b2o42b2obo$164b3ob2o6b2o270bo2b
o$166bobo7b2o271b2o$166bobo265b2o$167bo266b2o2$406bo$405bobo$406bo14b
2o3bo$421bo3bobo$422bo3bobo$423bo3bobob2o$415b2o4bob4o2bob2o$415bobo3b
2o3bobo$417bo6bobob2ob2o$405bo11b2o2b3obo3bobo$404bo16bo2bo4bobo10b2o$
404b3o15b2o6bo11b2o9$19b2o11bo6b2o15b3o$19b2o10bobo4bo2bo16bo$31bobo3b
ob3o2b2o11bo$30b2ob2obobo6bo192bo$34bobo3b2o3bobo188bobo$30b2obo2b4obo
4b2o189b2o$30b2obobo3bo$34bobo3bo$35bobo3bo$36bo3b2o14bo$55bobo$56bo$
295bo18bo$27b2o266b3o7b2o5b3o$27b2o269bo6b2o4bo$12b2o283b2o12b2o$11bo
2bo$10bob2o42b2o$10bo45b2o252b2o$9b2o294b2o3b2o$24b2o279b2o$3b2o19bo$
4bo20b3o28b2o$2bo24bo10b2o16b2o$2b5o14b2o14bobo3bo272bo7bo$7bo13bo15bo
5bobo268b3o5b3o$4b3o12bobo14b2o5b2o268bo7bo$3bo15b2o292b2o6b2o205b2o$
3b4o521bobo$b2o3bo3b2o46b2o281bo188bo4b2o$o2b3o4b2o41b2obo2bo279b3o
184b4ob2o2bo2bo$2obo21bo24bobobob2o280bo187bo2bobobobob2o$3bo21b3o21bo
b2obobo256bo11b2o11b2o11bo177bobobobo$3b2o23bo20bo3bo2bo256b3o9b2o24b
3o176b2obobo$27b2o19b2o3bobo257bobo38bo179bo$54bo260bo37b2o$11b2o355b
2o150b2o$12bo355bo152bo7b2o$9b3o353b2obo152bobo5b2o$9bo354bo2bo154b2o$
365b2o$37b2o311b2o199bo$30b2o5bobo310b2o197b3o$30b2o7bo508bo$39b2o507b
2o$506bo$26bo310b2o3bo162bobo3b2o19b2o$25bobob2o306bo3bobo160bo2bo3bo
20bo23b2o$25bobobobo292b2o12bo3bobo159bobob2obo21b3o21bo$22b2obobobobo
2bo288bobo13bo3bobob2o154b2obobobo24bo21bob2o$22bo2bo2b2ob4o288bo13bob
4o2bob2o152bo2bob2o41b2o4b3o2bo$24b2o4bo291b2o12bobo3bobo156b2o46b2o3b
o3b2o$30bobo303bobo2bo2b2ob2o205b4o$31b2o304bo3b2o2bobo192b2o15bo$345b
obo10b2o156b2o5b2o14bobo12b3o$346bo11b2o155bobo5bo15bo13bo$517bo3bobo
14b2o14b5o$503b2o16b2o10bo24bo$503b2o28b3o20bo$255b2o279bo19b2o$256bo
278b2o$256bobo291b2o$257b2o54bo189b2o45bo$311bobo189b2o42b2obo$312b2o
232bo2bo$547b2o$532b2o$532b2o2$256b2o4b2o240bo$256b2o4b2o239bobo$504bo
14b2o3bo$519bo3bobo$520bo3bobo$261b2o258bo3bobob2o$257b2o2b2o250b2o4bo
b4o2bob2o$256bobo254bobo3b2o3bobo$256bo12b2o4b3o237bo6bobob2ob2o$255b
2o11bobo5bo226bo11b2o2b3obo3bobo$268bo7b3o223bo16bo2bo4bobo10b2o$267b
2o233b3o15b2o6bo11b2o5$269b2o$268bobo23bo$268bo23b3o$267b2o22bo$275b2o
14b2o$275b2o4$329bo$327bobo$328b2o4$294b2o$289b2o2bo2bo96bo18bo$274b2o
13bobo2b2o97b3o7b2o5b3o$273bobo16b2o102bo6b2o4bo$273bo19bo101b2o12b2o$
272b2o16bo2bob2o$289bobob2obo$290bobo115b2o$291bo2b2o107b2o3b2o$292b2o
b3o105b2o$298bo$292b2ob3o$292b2obo$414bo7bo$284b2o126b3o5b3o$275b2o7b
2o125bo7bo$276bo134b2o6b2o$276bobo$277b2o160bo184b2o$437b3o184bobo$
436bo189bo4b2o$411bo11b2o11b2o11bo172b4ob2o2bo2bo$297b2o112b3o9b2o24b
3o170bo2bobobobob2o$297b2o112bobo38bo172bobobobo$375bo37bo37b2o173b2ob
obo$376bo89b2o162bo$374b3o89bo$463b2obo149b2o$282bo179bo2bo151bo7b2o$
281bobo179b2o152bobo5b2o$281bobo164b2o168b2o$282bo165b2o$279b3o365bo$
279bo365b3o$644bo$435b2o3bo203b2o$435bo3bobo160bo$422b2o12bo3bobo158bo
bo3b2o19b2o$369bo51bobo13bo3bobob2o153bo2bo3bo20bo23b2o$367bobo51bo13b
ob4o2bob2o153bobob2obo21b3o21bo$368b2o50b2o12bobo3bobo156b2obobobo24bo
21bob2o$434bobo2bo2b2ob2o150bo2bob2o41b2o4b3o2bo$435bo3b2o2bobo151b2o
46b2o3bo3b2o$443bobo10b2o192b4o$444bo11b2o178b2o15bo$612b2o5b2o14bobo
12b3o$613b2o4bo15bo13bo$612bo4bobo14b2o14b5o$599b2o16b2o10bo24bo$599b
2o28b3o20bo$632bo19b2o$631b2o$646b2o$404bo194b2o45bo$402bobo194b2o42b
2obo$403b2o237bo2bo$643b2o$628b2o$628b2o2$600bo$599bobo$600bo14b2o3bo$
615bo3bobo$616bo3bobo$617bo3bobob2o$609b2o4bob4o2bob2o$204b2o403bobo3b
2o3bobo$205bo27b2o376bo6bobob2ob2o$203bo7b2o3b2o6bo7bobo376b2o2b3obo3b
obo$201b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo8bo363bobo14bo2bo4bobo10b2o$200bo23bo373b2o16b
2o6bo11b2o$199bo2b3o394bo$200b2o2bo$202b2o$202bo$203bo$200b3o$200bo$
229b2o$229bo$209bo20b3o$208bo23bo$208b3o2$225b2o2b2ob2o186bo$190bo34bo
bo2bobobo183bobo$190b3o17b2o16b2o2bobo184b2o$193bo17bo17bobobo$192b2o
14b3o15bo2bo2bo467b2o$208bo16bobob3o468bobo$226bobo473bo4b2o$184b2o41b
o2b2o257bo18bo189b4ob2o2bo2bo$184bo43b2ob3o255b3o7b2o5b3o189bo2bobobob
ob2o$181b2obo49bo257bo6b2o4bo195bobobobo$181bo2b3o4b2o35b2ob3o257b2o
12b2o195b2obobo$182b2o3bo3b2o35b2obo474bo$184b4o$184bo15b2o18b2o282b2o
186b2o$185b3o12bobo8b2o7b2o277b2o3b2o187bo7b2o$188bo13bo9bo286b2o192bo
bo5b2o$183b5o14b2o8bobo479b2o$183bo29b2o$185bo537bo$184b2o24bo299bo7bo
202b3o$208b3o297b3o5b3o201bo$207bo25b2o272bo7bo204b2o$207b2o24b2o272b
2o6b2o161bo$677bobo3b2o19b2o$535bo140bo2bo3bo20bo23b2o$533b3o140bobob
2obo21b3o21bo$532bo142b2obobobo24bo21bob2o$218bo288bo11b2o11b2o11bo
127bo2bob2o41b2o4b3o2bo$217bobo253bo32b2obo9b2o24b3o125b2o46b2o3bo3b2o
$197b2o18bobo254bo32bob2o37bo177b4o$196bobo5b2o12bo247bo5b3o33bo38b2o
163b2o15bo$196bo7b2o9b3o249bo94b2o124b2o5b2o14bobo12b3o$195b2o18bo249b
3o94bo124bobo5bo15bo13bo$559b2obo126bo3bobo14b2o14b5o$209bo348bo2bo
113b2o16b2o10bo24bo$205b2obobo348b2o114b2o28b3o20bo$204bobobobo333b2o
162bo19b2o$201bo2bobobobob2o330b2o161b2o$201b4ob2o2bo2bo508b2o$205bo4b
2o463b2o45bo$203bobo469b2o42b2obo$203b2o326b2o3bo181bo2bo$531bo3bobo
181b2o$518b2o12bo3bobo165b2o$460bo56bobo13bo3bobob2o161b2o$458bobo56bo
13bob4o2bob2o$459b2o55b2o12bobo3bobo137bo$530bobo2bo2b2ob2o132bobo$
531bo3b2o2bobo134bo14b2o3bo$539bobo10b2o137bo3bobo$540bo11b2o138bo3bob
o$693bo3bobob2o$685b2o4bob4o2bob2o$685bobo3b2o3bobo$687bo6bobob2ob2o$
675bo11b2o2b3obo3bobo$674bo16bo2bo4bobo10b2o$674b3o15b2o6bo11b2o2$495b
o$493bobo$494b2o17$565bo18bo$565b3o7b2o5b3o$568bo6b2o4bo$567b2o12b2o3$
580b2o$575b2o3b2o$575b2o4$586bo7bo$511bo72b3o5b3o$509bobo71bo7bo$510b
2o71b2o6b2o2$611bo$609b3o$608bo$583bo11b2o11b2o11bo$583b3o9b2o24b3o$
583bobo38bo$585bo37b2o$638b2o$638bo$635b2obo$634bo2bo$635b2o$620b2o$
620b2o4$607b2o3bo$607bo3bobo$594b2o12bo3bobo$593bobo13bo3bobob2o$593bo
13bob4o2bob2o$592b2o12bobo3bobo$606bobo2bo2b2ob2o$564bo42bo3b2o2bobo$
565bo2bobo44bobo10b2o$557bo5b3o3b2o45bo11b2o$558bo10bo250b2o$556b3o
260bobo$813b2o4bo$811bo2bo2b2ob4o$811b2obobobobo2bo$814bobobobo$814bob
ob2o$815bo2$809bo18b2o$807b3o9b2o7bo$806bo12b2o5bobo$805bobo18b2o$551b
o253bobo$549bobo254bo$550b2o4$790b2o24b2o$790b2o25bo$814b3o$814bo24b2o
$839bo$810b2o29bo$810bobo8b2o14b5o$812bo9bo13bo$803b2o7b2o8bobo12b3o$
586bo216b2o18b2o15bo$584bobo250b4o$585b2o206bob2o35b2o3bo3b2o$791b3ob
2o35b2o4b3o2bo$790bo49bob2o$791b3ob2o43bo$793b2o2bo41b2o$796bobo$793b
3obobo16bo$792bo2bo2bo15b3o14b2o$791bobobo17bo17bo$790bobo2b2o16b2o17b
3o$790bobobo2bobo34bo$791b2ob2o2b2o$815b3o$817bo$792bo23bo$792b3o$795b
o$794b2o$824bo$822b3o$821bo$822bo$821b2o$820bo2b2o$820b3o2bo$800bo23bo
$799bobo5b2o3b2o6b4o$789bo10bo6b2o3b2o7bo$672bo7bo108bobo27bo$671bobo
5b3o107b2o28b2o$602bo67bo2bo2b4ob2o$600bobo73bo2b3o$601b2o70bo2b2o2bo$
671bobob2o$672bo9$665bo$665bo$664bobo$661bo2b2o$660bo5bo$660bo5bo$661b
o4bo$662bo$663b3o3$663b2ob2o$662bo$666b2o$663b3o4$652bobo$655bo$651bo
2bo90bo$650b3o90b3o$742bo$741bobo$741bobo$742bo$623b2o$623bobo6b3o$
624bo7bo2bo$631bo4bo$631b3o2bo89b2o$630bo5bo89b2o$629b7o$629bo$629bo$
630b2o114b2o$746bobo$748bo$739b2o7b2o$739b2o2$729bob2o$727b3ob2o201b2o
$726bo207bobo$727b3ob2o203bo4b2o$729b2o2bo198b4ob2o2bo2bo$732bobo197bo
2bobobobob2o$728bob2obobo199bobobobo$728b2obo2bo16b2o183b2obobo$731bo
19bo188bo$731b2o16bobo$729b2o2bobo13b2o175b2o$728bo2bo2b2o191bo7b2o$
729b2o196bobo5b2o$928b2o2$957bo$955b3o$663b3o288bo$663bo290b2o$664bo
247bo$911bobo3b2o19b2o$910bo2bo3bo20bo23b2o$748b2o160bobob2obo21b3o21b
o$732b2o14b2o159b2obobobo24bo21bob2o$733bo22b2o149bo2bob2o41b2o4b3o2bo
$730b3o23bo150b2o46b2o3bo3b2o$730bo23bobo203b4o$754b2o190b2o15bo$922b
3o4b2o14bobo12b3o$924bo4bo15bo13bo$923bo3bobo14b2o14b5o$909b2o16b2o10b
o24bo$747bo8b2o151b2o28b3o20bo$695b3o47b2ob2o6bo185bo19b2o$695bo49b3ob
2o3bobo11b2o171b2o$696bo49b5o3b2o12bo187b2o$747b3o16bobo140b2o45bo$
748bo13b2o2b2o141b2o42b2obo$762b2o188bo2bo$953b2o$938b2o$938b2o$761b2o
4b2o$761b2o4b2o141bo$909bobo$910bo14b2o3bo$925bo3bobo$926bo3bobo$927bo
3bobob2o$727b3o189b2o4bob4o2bob2o$727bo38b2o151bobo3b2o3bobo$728bo37bo
bo152bo6bobob2ob2o$768bo152b2o2b3obo3bobo$768b2o138bo16bo2bo4bobo10b2o
$908bobo15b2o6bo11b2o$908b2o15$559b2o$560b2o$559bo4$723b3o73bo193b2o$
723bo74bobo192bobo$724bo64b2o7bobo194bo4b2o$789b2o6b2ob3o188b4ob2o2bo
2bo$542b2o238b2o19bo187bo2bobobobob2o$543b2o237b2o13b2ob3o191bobobobo$
542bo254b2obo194b2obobo$721b3o275bo$721bo$722bo262b2o$787bo198bo7b2o$
786bobo197bobo5b2o$786bo2bo197b2o$776b2o9b2o$776b2o238bo$1014b3o$1013b
o$798b2o213b2o$798b2o171bo$970bobo3b2o19b2o$969bo2bo3bo20bo23b2o$969bo
bob2obo21b3o21bo$968b2obobobo24bo21bob2o$966bo2bob2o41b2o4b3o2bo$966b
2o46b2o3bo3b2o$1019b4o$1005b2o15bo$981b3o4b2o14bobo12b3o$784b2o197bo4b
o15bo13bo$785bo196bo3bobo14b2o14b5o$782b3o183b2o16b2o10bo24bo$782bo
185b2o28b3o20bo$754b3o244bo19b2o$754bo245b2o$755bo259b2o$968b2o45bo$
968b2o42b2obo$1011bo2bo$1012b2o$997b2o$997b2o2$969bo$968bobo$969bo14b
2o3bo$984bo3bobo$818b2o165bo3bobo$818bobo6bo158bo3bobob2o$786b3o29bo8b
3o148b2o4bob4o2bob2o$786bo43bo147bobo3b2o3bobo$787bo41b2o149bo6bobob2o
b2o$980b2o2b3obo3bobo$967bo16bo2bo4bobo10b2o$967bobo15b2o6bo11b2o$967b
2o3$839b2o$832b2o5bobo$832b2o7bo$841b2o2$828bo$827bobob2o$827bobobobo$
826b2obobobo2bo$530bo11b2o283bo2b2ob4o$529bobo10b2o283bo4bo$521bo3b2o
2bobo296b3obo2b2o$520bobo2bo2b2ob2o297b2o3b2o$506b2o12bobo3bobo$507bo
13bob4o2bob2o$507bobo13bo3bobob2o$508b2o12bo3bobo$521bo3bobo$521b2o3bo
331bo$857bobo$848b2o7bobo$848b2o6b2ob3o$534b2o305b2o19bo$534b2o305b2o
13b2ob3o$549b2o305b2obo$548bo2bo$549b2obo$552bo$552b2o292bo$497b4o36b
2o306bobo$496bo41bo306bo2bo$495bo4bo8b2o24b3o297b2o9b2o$496bob2o9b2o
11b2o11bo299b2o$497bo24bo$523b3o288b3o$525bo288bo42b2o$815bo41b2o$422b
2o73b2o6b2o$423bo27b2o44bo7bo$421bo7b2o3b2o6bo9b2o44b3o5b3o$419b4o6b2o
3b2o5bobo7bo48bo7bo$418bo23bo369b3o$417bo2b3o389bo$418b2o2bo390bo$420b
2o67b2o$420bo68b2o3b2o$421bo72b2o347b2o$418b3o423bo$418bo422b3o$447b2o
32b2o12b2o344bo$447bo34bo6b2o4bo$448b3o28b3o7b2o5b3o$426bobo21bo28bo
18bo$426b2o$427bo$443b2o2b2ob2o$408bo34bobo2bobobo$408b3o17b2o16b2o2bo
bo$411bo17bo17bobobo$410b2o14b3o15bo2bo2bo$426bo16bobob3o$444bobo$402b
2o41bo2b2o$402bo43b2ob3o$399b2obo49bo424b2o$399bo2b3o4b2o35b2ob3o425bo
bo6bo$400b2o3bo3b2o35b2obo395b3o29bo8b3o$402b4o439bo43bo$402bo15b2o18b
2o406bo41b2o$403b3o12bobo8b2o7b2o$406bo13bo9bo$401b5o14b2o8bobo669b2o$
401bo29b2o155b2o511bobo$403bo183b2o17b2o6bo11b2o467b2o4bo$402b2o24bo
160bo15bo2bo4bobo10b2o465bo2bo2b2ob4o$426b3o172b2o2b3obo3bobo282b2o
193b2obobobobo2bo$425bo25b2o148bo6bobob2ob2o274b2o5bobo195bobobobo$
425b2o24b2o146bobo3b2o3bobo278b2o7bo195bobob2o$599b2o4bob4o2bob2o283b
2o195bo$607bo3bobob2o$606bo3bobo274bo203bo18b2o$605bo3bobo274bobob2o
197b3o9b2o7bo$436bo153bo14b2o3bo275bobobobo195bo12b2o5bobo$435bobo151b
obo293b2obobobo2bo191bobo18b2o$415b2o18bobo152bo295bo2b2ob4o191bobo$
414bobo5b2o12bo449bo4bo196bo$414bo7b2o9b3o182b2o267b3obo2b2o$413b2o18b
o184b2o269b2o3b2o$633b2o$427bo204bo2bo$423b2obobo160b2o42b2obo435b2o
24b2o$422bobobobo160b2o45bo435b2o25bo$419bo2bobobobob2o204b2o458b3o$
419b4ob2o2bo2bo189b2o473bo24b2o$423bo4b2o192bo19b2o477bo$421bobo165b2o
28b3o20bo449b2o29bo$421b2o166b2o16b2o10bo24bo447bobo8b2o14b5o$607bobo
14b2o14b5o449bo9bo13bo$602bobo4bo15bo13bo445b2o7b2o8bobo12b3o$603b2o4b
2o14bobo12b3o442b2o18b2o15bo$603bo22b2o15bo475b4o$640b4o431bob2o35b2o
3bo3b2o$587b2o46b2o3bo3b2o427b3ob2o35b2o4b3o2bo$587bo2bob2o41b2o4b3o2b
o425bo49bob2o$589b2obobobo24bo21bob2o426b3ob2o43bo$590bobob2obo21b3o
21bo431b2o2bo41b2o$590bo2bo3bo20bo23b2o434bobo$591bobo3b2o19b2o455b3ob
obo16bo$592bo481bo2bo2bo15b3o14b2o$634b2o437bobobo17bo17bo$634bo437bob
o2b2o16b2o17b3o$635b3o434bobobo2bobo34bo$637bo435b2ob2o2b2o$1097b2o$
608b2o486bobo$607bobo5b2o457bo23bo$607bo7b2o457b3o$606b2o469bo$1076b2o
$620bo485bo$616b2obobo482b3o$615bobobobo481bo$612bo2bobobobob2o479bo$
612b4ob2o2bo2bo478b2o$616bo4b2o479bo2b2o$614bobo288b3o194b3o2bo$614b2o
289bo176bo23bo$906bo165bo8bobo5b2o3b2o6b4o$1071bo10bo6b2o3b2o7bo$1071b
3o27bo$1101b2o59b2o$1161bobo$903b3o249b2o4bo$903bo249bo2bo2b2ob4o$904b
o248b2obobobobo2bo$1156bobobobo$1156bobob2o$1157bo2$1151bo18b2o$1149b
3o9b2o7bo$1148bo12b2o5bobo$1147bobo18b2o$1147bobo$1148bo5$1132b2o24b2o
$1132b2o25bo$1156b3o$1156bo24b2o$1181bo$1152b2o29bo$1152bobo8b2o14b5o$
1154bo9bo13bo$936b3o206b2o7b2o8bobo12b3o$936bo208b2o18b2o15bo$937bo
241b4o$1135bob2o35b2o3bo3b2o$1133b3ob2o35b2o4b3o2bo$1132bo49bob2o$
1133b3ob2o43bo$1027bo107b2o2bo41b2o$1025b3o110bobo$1024bo110b3obobo16b
o$1023bobo108bo2bo2bo15b3o14b2o$1023bobo107bobobo17bo17bo$1024bo107bob
o2b2o16b2o17b3o$1132bobobo2bobo34bo$1133b2ob2o2b2o$1157b2o$1156bobo$
1008b2o124bo23bo$1008b2o124b3o$1137bo$1136b2o$1166bo$1028b2o134b3o$
1028bobo132bo$1030bo133bo$1021b2o7b2o131b2o$1021b2o139bo2b2o$1162b3o2b
o$1011bob2o127bo23bo$1009b3ob2o117bo8bobo5b2o3b2o6b4o$1008bo122bo10bo
6b2o3b2o7bo$1009b3ob2o116b3o27bo$1011b2o2bo145b2o$1014bobo$1010bob2obo
bo$1010b2obo2bo16b2o$1013bo19bo$1013b2o16bobo$1011b2o2bobo13b2o$1010bo
2bo2b2o$1011b2o10$1030b2o$1014b2o14b2o$1015bo22b2o$1012b3o23bo$1012bo
23bobo$1036b2o4$996b3o$996bo32b2o7b2o$997bo30b3o7bo$1028bo2bo4bobo11b
2o$1029b3o4b2o12bo$1029b3o16bobo$1044b2o2b2o$994b3o47b2o41bo$994bo90b
3o$995bo88bo$1083bobo$1043b2o4b2o32bobo$1043b2o4b2o33bo5$1068b2o$1068b
2o$1048b2o$1048bobo$1050bo$1050b2o36b2o$1088bobo$1090bo$1081b2o7b2o$
1081b2o2$1071bob2o$1069b3ob2o$1068bo$1069b3ob2o$1071b2o2bo$1074bobo$
1070bob2obobo$1070b2obo2bo16b2o$1073bo19bo$1073b2o16bobo$1071b2o2bobo
13b2o$1070bo2bo2b2o$1071b2o10$1090b2o$1074b2o14b2o$1075bo22b2o$1072b3o
23bo$1072bo23bobo$1096b2o5$1089b2o7b2o$1088b3o7bo$1088bo2bo4bobo11b2o$
1089b3o4b2o12bo$1089b3o16bobo$1104b2o2b2o$1104b2o4$1103b2o4b2o$1103b2o
4b2o7$1108b2o$1108bobo$1110bo$1110b2o16$1115b2o$1085b3o27bo$1085bo10bo
6b2o3b2o7bo$1086bo8bobo5b2o3b2o6b4o$1096bo23bo$1116b3o2bo$1116bo2b2o$
1117b2o$1118bo$1117bo$1118b3o$1120bo$1090b2o$1091bo$1088b3o$1088bo23bo
$1110bobo$1111b2o$1087b2ob2o2b2o$1086bobobo2bobo34bo$1086bobo2b2o16b2o
17b3o$1087bobobo17bo17bo$1088bo2bo2bo15b3o14b2o$1089b3obobo16bo$1092bo
bo$1089b2o2bo41b2o$1087b3ob2o43bo$1086bo49bob2o$1087b3ob2o35b2o4b3o2bo
$1089bob2o35b2o3bo3b2o$1133b4o$1099b2o18b2o15bo$1099b2o7b2o8bobo12b3o$
1108bo9bo13bo$1106bobo8b2o14b5o$1106b2o29bo$1135bo$1110bo24b2o$1110b3o
$1086b2o25bo$1086b2o24b2o5$1102bo$1101bobo$1101bobo18b2o$1102bo12b2o5b
obo$1103b3o9b2o7bo$1105bo18b2o2$1111bo$1110bobob2o$1110bobobobo$1107b
2obobobobo2bo$1107bo2bo2b2ob4o$1109b2o4bo$1115bobo$1116b2o!

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 25th, 2020, 8:56 am
by dvgrn
wwei23 wrote: ↑
September 24th, 2020, 11:06 pm
 What kind of pattern is this? According to the LifeWiki, a wickstretcher is a spaceship-like pattern that stretches a wick that is fixed at the other end, but here, we have an oscillator-like pattern that extends a wick that moves at the other end.
I think the term you're looking for might be extruder. We have the old traffic-lights extruder (which I hope someone rebuilds with stable circuitry at some point) and the triple Snark-wick extruder in Golly's Patterns/HashLife -- and now this switch engine extruder. Or is it a "Cordercolumn extruder"?

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 25th, 2020, 9:27 am
by wwei23
dvgrn wrote: ↑
September 25th, 2020, 8:56 am
and the triple Snark-wick extruder in Golly's Patterns/HashLife
Wait, explain the wick part? Snarks are stable on their own.
dvgrn wrote: ↑
September 25th, 2020, 8:56 am
Or is it a "Cordercolumn extruder"?
I just called it the wiggler/wriggler/squiggler, because that's what the switch engines looked like they were doing when they were all stacked like that.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 30th, 2020, 7:58 pm
by Moosey
Has anyone constructed a caterpillar based on Herschel conduits-- maybe, say, Fx77?

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 30th, 2020, 9:15 pm
by dvgrn
Moosey wrote: ↑
September 30th, 2020, 7:58 pm
 Has anyone constructed a caterpillar based on Herschel conduits-- maybe, say, Fx77?
Nope. It's been talked about some, and occasionally something like Golly's Patterns/Life/Breeders/p100-H-channel-breeder.rle gets constructed.

An Fx77 Caterpillar would be somewhat difficult, in spite of the re-usability of the spine and the easy availability of gliders. Maybe it would be a bit easier with Kazyan's Spartan Fx77 variant, where you can build a pond instead of an eater (but then you have to build more eaters to catch the gliders, unless you're going to use them).

Part of the problem is that Herschels are so fast. In an Fx77 spine they travel 25c/77, much faster than c/4, so if the spaceship is going to travel that speed you'll have to use a helix similar to the original Caterpillar, not just forward *WSS streams like in the shield bug, centipede, and silverfish -- a forward glider stream can't catch up to the front. So someone would have to design a helix, and use it to build a front end that can build a new pair of Fx77s every 154 ticks -- and then we might be able to start figuring out how to use gliders from an Fx77 spine to generate the helix somehow, and also destroy Fx77s at the back end of the spaceship.

There's probably a clever solution out there somewhere, but it might be easier to build a specialized Caterloopillar or Speed Orthogonoid to chaperone one of these Herschel spines along, instead of working all that out.

(Anyone else have a better answer?)

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: September 30th, 2020, 11:35 pm
by yujh
What is this? replicator?

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x = 44, y = 18, rule = R2,C0,M1,S10..19,B4..4,NM
28bob5o2bo4bo$32b4o2b5o$bo4bo2b5obo18bob7o$b5o2b4o18bobobo3bobo$b7obo
19bo2b4obobo$3bobo3bobobo14b2o2b3obo5bo$4bobob4o2bo13b4o2bobo6bo$bo5bo
b3o2b2o16b3o2bo3bo$o6bobo2b4o14bob4obob2o2bo$2bo3bo2b3o16b2obo3bobob2o
$o2b2obob4obo14bobo2b2ob2o5bo$3b2obobo3bob2o12bobobo5b4o$o5b2ob2o2bobo
12b7o2bobo3bo$2b4o5bobobo13bo3b3obo3bobo$o3bobo2b7o14b4obobo3b3o$obo3b
ob3o3bo13bob2obobob2o$3o3bobob4o$5b2obobob2obo!

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: October 1st, 2020, 12:18 am
by wwei23
yujh wrote: ↑
September 30th, 2020, 11:35 pm
 What is this? replicator?

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x = 44, y = 18, rule = R2,C0,M1,S10..19,B4..4,NM
28bob5o2bo4bo$32b4o2b5o$bo4bo2b5obo18bob7o$b5o2b4o18bobobo3bobo$b7obo
19bo2b4obobo$3bobo3bobobo14b2o2b3obo5bo$4bobob4o2bo13b4o2bobo6bo$bo5bo
b3o2b2o16b3o2bo3bo$o6bobo2b4o14bob4obob2o2bo$2bo3bo2b3o16b2obo3bobob2o
$o2b2obob4obo14bobo2b2ob2o5bo$3b2obobo3bob2o12bobobo5b4o$o5b2ob2o2bobo
12b7o2bobo3bo$2b4o5bobobo13bo3b3obo3bobo$o3bobo2b7o14b4obobo3b3o$obo3b
ob3o3bo13bob2obobob2o$3o3bobob4o$5b2obobob2obo!
Yeah, but not a regular rule 90 one. I have no idea what that replication habit is. (Muzik, HELP)

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: October 1st, 2020, 8:52 am
by yujh
Census results after processing 4409 soups (seed = pdfgDNvRRjCG, symmetry = C1):
Umm... I can't upload results to catagolue but I've changed the script to

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def get_server_address():
    # Should be 'http://catagolue.appspot.com' for the released version,
    # and 'http://localhost:8080' for the development version:    
    return 'http://catagolue.hatsya.com'
I don't know why

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: October 2nd, 2020, 2:45 am
by Schiaparelliorbust
AFAIK, then maximum speed of a spaceship is c/2 in many rules but all spaceships that I've seen that travel at that speed travel 1 cell every 2 generations. But is it possible to have one that travels 2 cells forward in succeeding generations and then "recharge" its leading edge to length 5 or 6 in the next two generations? I'm assuming at least B3i to move forward and no B2a (because that would give lightspeed spaceships).

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: October 2nd, 2020, 2:52 am
by toroidalet
233P3H1V0. I think there might even be c/2 examples (where it advances 3 and falls back 1) but I'm not sure.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: October 2nd, 2020, 6:50 am
by Schiaparelliorbust
Thanks! I would still like to know if there are (known) c/2 examples in CGoL or other rules. I don't see why they shouldn't be possible. I don't see any examples on the wiki.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: October 4th, 2020, 1:49 pm
by wwei23
The Wiki mentions something about the spark from a grin on the bumper page. What spark? The grin is connected, so there shouldn't be a spark.

Re: Thread for basic questions

Posted: October 4th, 2020, 3:44 pm
by bubblegum
wwei23 wrote: ↑
October 4th, 2020, 1:49 pm
 The Wiki mentions something about the spark from a grin on the bumper page. What spark? The grin is connected, so there shouldn't be a spark.
weak spark
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