Thoughts?
EDIT: A table-on-table, mirrored dock, and a block can combine into an eater 2 variant as well.
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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o$bobo$bobo$2ob2o2$2ob2o3b2o$2obobobobo$5bobo$5bobo$3bobobobo$3b2o
3b2o!
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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o$bobo$bobo$2ob2o2$2ob2o3b2o$2obobobobo$5bobo$5bobo$3bobobobo$3b2o
3b2o!
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x = 16, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9b2o3b2o$9bobobobo$11bobo$11bobo$9bobobobo$bo7b2o3b2o$o$o3bo$4o$9b2o3b
2o$9bobobobo$11bobo$11bobo$9bobobobo$9b2o3b2o!
Can you post your input? What was you pat?Kazyan wrote:this is showing up as a solution for a LWSS, but there's no interaction
Sorry. I'll notify you from now on.simsim314 wrote:EDIT Just saw last-gen wasn't in the ReadMe. Guys please tell me if I mention here something which isn't in the ReadMe. I try to keep it updated, but sometimes miss things, there are many small stuff which hard to keep track.
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max-gen 180
start-gen 60
last-gen 120
num-catalyst 2
stable-interval 20
search-area -20 0 20 26
pat 2o$2o22$b2o$b2o10$2bo$b3o$2obo!
filter 130 2o$2o! 1 23
cat 2o$2o! 60 0 0 . forbidden obo$b2o$bo2$2o$2o! 0 -4 forbidden 2o3bo$2ob2o$4b2o! 0 0 forbidden b2o$b2o2$bo$2o$obo! -1 0 forbidden 2o$b2ob2o$o3b2o! -4 -1 forbidden o3b2o$b2ob2o$2o! -4 0 forbidden obo$2o$bo2$b2o$b2o! -1 -4 forbidden 4b2o$2ob2o$2o3bo! 0 -1 forbidden 2o$2o2$bo$b2o$obo! 0 0
cat 2o$o$b3o$3bo! 12 -2 -2 * forbidden 2o$o$b3ob2o$3bobobo$6bo! -2 -2 forbidden bo$obo$2o2$2o$o$b3o$3bo! -2 -6 forbidden bo$2bo$3o2$3b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo! -5 -6 forbidden 2bo$obo$b2o2$3b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo! -5 -6
cat bo$obo$obo$bo! 40 1 2 /
cat b2o$o2bo$bobo$2bo! 35 2 2 +
cat bo$obo$bo! 15 1 1 .
cat 2o$obo$bo! 25 1 1 +
cat 2o$obo$b2o! 35 1 1 |
output bheptw2blocks.rle
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x = 613, y = 2828, rule = B3/S23
17bo98bo98bo98bo98bo98bo98bo$16b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o$15b2o
bo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo28$15b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o93b
o3b2o82bo14b2o97b2o$15b2o97b2o86bo10b2o82b2o13b2o91b3o3b2o82b3o12b2o
81b2o14b2o$100bo101b3o93bo105bo93bo95bo$100b3o102bo92bobo103b2o91b2o
95bobo$103bo100b2o93b2o294b2o$102b2o8$4b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b
2o$5bo98bo98bo98bo98bo98bo98bo$2b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o$2bo
98bo98bo98bo98bo98bo98bo6$6b2o$5bobo8b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o
$5bo10b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o$4b2o44$17bo98bo98bo$16b3o96b3o
96b3o$15b2obo95b2obo95b2obo28$15b2o97b2o97b2o$15b2o97b2o97b2o$105bo98b
o$5b2o98b3o96b3o$6bo101bo98bo$6bobo98b2o97b2o$7b2o5$7b2o97b2o97bo$6bob
o96bobo96bobo$6bo98bo97bo2bo$5b2o97b2o98b2o9$16b2o97b2o97b2o$16b2o97b
2o97b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$4bo10b2o$4b3o$7bo$2o4b2o$bo$bobo$
2b2o16$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o$3bo$2bobo$2b2o7$
7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o9$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o$
8bo$7bobo$b2o5bo$2bo$2bobo$3b2o16$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo98bo$16b3o96b3o$
15b2obo95b2obo28$15b2o97b2o$15b2o97b2o3$b2o$2bo$2bobo$3b2o4$3b2o97b2o$
2bobo96bobo$2bo98bo$b2o97b2o8$105b2o$16b2o86bobo8b2o$16b2o86bo10b2o$
103b2o44$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o3$b2o$2bo$2bobo$3b2o8$4bo$3bo
bo$3b2o6$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o3$b2o$2bo$2bobo
$3b2o15$6b2o$5bobo8b2o$5bo10b2o$4b2o44$17bo98bo98bo$16b3o96b3o96b3o$
15b2obo95b2obo95b2obo28$15b2o97b2o97b2o$15b2o97b2o97b2o3$2b2o97b2o97b
2o$3bo98bo98bo$3bobo96bobo96bobo$4b2o97b2o97b2o4$4b2o$3bobo$3bo$2b2o
99b2o$104bo$104bobo$105b2o5$204b2o$16b2o97b2o86bobo8b2o$16b2o97b2o86bo
10b2o$202b2o44$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o3$3b2o$4bo$4bobo$5b2o3$
5b2o$5bo$3bobo$3b2o10$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$4bo10b
2o$4b3o$7bo$6b2o3$bo$obo$bo14$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo98bo98bo98bo98bo98bo$
16b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o$15b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b
2obo28$15b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o$15b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o$
503bo$502bobo$503bo$2b2o$3bo$3bobo$4b2o97b2o97b2o$103b2o97b2o97b2o97b
2o$4b2o295b2o97b2o$3bobo493b2o$3bo494bobo$2b2o494bo$103b2o196b2o194b2o
$104bo197bo$104bobo195bobo$105b2o196b2o5$204b2o196b2o$16b2o97b2o86bobo
8b2o97b2o86bobo8b2o97b2o$16b2o97b2o86bo10b2o97b2o86bo10b2o97b2o$202b2o
196b2o44$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o6$3b2o$3b2o3$7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo
$6b2o9$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o$8bo$7bobo$8bo5$b
2o$b2o13$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo98bo$16b3o96b3o$15b2obo95b2obo28$15b2o97b2o
$15b2o86bo10b2o$8bo94b3o$7bobo96bo$8bo96b2o7$3b2o97b2o$2bobo96bobo$2bo
98bo$b2o97b2o9$16b2o97b2o$16b2o97b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b
2o10$4b2o$3bobo$3bo$2b2o8$6b2o$5bobo8b2o$5bo10b2o$4b2o44$17bo$16b3o$
15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o2$5b2o$6bo$6bobo$7b2o6$3b2o$4bo$4bobo$5b2o8$16b2o
$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o3$b2o$2bo$2bobo$3b2o6$2b2o$bo
bo$bo$2o7$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo98bo$16b3o96b3o$15b2obo95b2obo28$15b2o97b
2o$15b2o97b2o2$5b2o97b2o$6bo98bo$6bobo96bobo$7b2o97b2o8$103b2o$104bo$
104bobo$105b2o5$6b2o$5bobo8b2o97b2o$5bo10b2o97b2o$4b2o44$17bo$16b3o$
15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o13$4b2o$5bo$5bobo$6b2o5$6b2o$5bobo8b2o$5bo10b2o$
4b2o44$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o$5bo$5b3o$8bo$7b2o8$6b2o$5bobo$
5bo$4b2o7$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo27$4bo$4b3o8b2o$7bo7b2o$6b2o
9$7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o9$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$4bo10b2o$
4b3o8b2o$7bo$6b2o8$7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o9$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo98bo$16b3o
96b3o$15b2obo95b2obo28$5bo9b2o97b2o$5b3o7b2o85b2o10b2o$8bo94bo$7b2o94b
obo$104b2o7$7bo98bo$6bobo96bobo$5bo2bo95bo2bo$6b2o97b2o9$16b2o97b2o$
16b2o97b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$5bo9b2o$5b3o$8bo$7b2o7$7bo$6bo
bo$5bo2bo$6b2o9$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o3$3b2o$
3bo$4b3o$6bo4$7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o9$16b2o$16b2o45$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo
28$15b2o$15b2o10$7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o8$6b2o$5bobo8b2o$5bo10b2o$4b2o
44$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o10$7b2o$6bobo$6bo$5b2o8$6b2o$5bobo
8b2o$5bo10b2o$4b2o44$17bo$16b3o$15b2obo28$15b2o$15b2o12$7b2o$8bo$5b3o$
5bo6$6b2o$5bobo8b2o$5bo10b2o$4b2o!
Haha sorry about thatScorbie wrote:why are all those Bs in the wrong place?
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import golly as g
rect = g.getcells(g.getselrect())
g.clear(0)
g.putcells(rect, 0, 64)
g.putcells(rect, 0, -64)
g.putcells(rect, 64, 0)
g.putcells(rect, -64, 0)
Yes sorry not respond to that (didn't understand what you don't know).Kazyan wrote:The LWSS just keeps going until it wraps around the torus and hits the catalysts from the other side. Good to know.
I don't need it; I'm inspecting basically all of the results anyway, so I'll see any *WSS that comes out. It's only relevant here because I wanted to see if there was a tiny LWSS-to-G based on transparent catalysts. If you're curious, a 2-catalyst Spartan run yields this, but no glider:simsim314 wrote:Yes sorry not respond to that (didn't understand what you don't know).
Anyway there is a very simple code that can remove *WSS on the edges (like gliders), but it's harming performance, and seems to be not so common.
Does anyone needs this feature? Do you want to have flag to get alerts for *WSS? I really don't see too much the point of it, but maybe I'm wrong.
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x = 15, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
6bo$2o3bobo$obo2bobo3bo$bo4bo3bo$10bo3bo$10b4o!
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x = 35, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bo$13bobo$13b2o4$6bo$2o3bobo$obo2bobo23bo2bo$bo4bo23bo$30bo3bo
$30b4o!
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x = 12, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
o8b2o$o8bobo$o8bobo$10b2o!
No. CatForce assumes every input catalyst is stable (I think it's the definition of catalyst).Scorbie wrote:Is it possible to add a blinker in the cataylst list?
Yay! I keep looking over results in-progress and and the number of useless survival = 1 results make it frustrating. Thanks for this.simsim314 wrote:I've added very important fix for combine results feature.
Previously if you use very potent pattern, the combinations could explode, as the combine feature was always using survival = 1. Now you can define how much time catalyst needs to survive to pass to the "next stage" of combinations.
Well when you use combine-results look only at the Final.rle - those 1 tick conduits are mostly junk, that gets filtered only after the combine tried to get the most of them.Kazyan wrote:Yay! I keep looking over results in-progress and and the number of useless survival = 1 results make it frustrating.
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cat 2o3b2o$obobobo$2bobo$2bobo$obobobo$2o3b2o 12 3 3 / forbidden 4bo$3bobo$4b2o2$2o2b2o$o4bo$b4o2$b4o$o4bo$2o2b2o! 3 -1 forbidden bo$obo$2o2$2o2b2o$o4bo$b4o2$b4o$o4bo$2o2b2o! 3 -1 forbidden 2o2b2o$o4bo$b4o2$b4o$o4bo$2o2b2o2$4b2o$3bobo$4bo! 3 3 forbidden 2o2b2o$o4bo$b4o2$b4o$o4bo$2o2b2o2$2o$obo$bo! 3 3
Well first of all forbidden and the catalysts itself should be in the same orientation.Kazyan wrote:Am I missing something with the 'forbidden' flag here?
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cat 2o3b2o$obobobo$2bobo$2bobo$obobobo$2o3b2o 12 -3 -3 / forbidden 2o3b2o$obobobo$2bobo$2bobo4bo$obobobobobo$2o3b2ob2o! -3 -3 forbidden 2o3b2ob2o$obobobobobo$2bobo4bo$2bobo$obobobo$2o3b2o! -3 -3 forbidden b2ob2o3b2o$obobobobobo$bo4bobo$6bobo$4bobobobo$4b2o3b2o! -7 -3 forbidden 4b2o3b2o$4bobobobo$6bobo$bo4bobo$obobobobobo$b2ob2o3b2o! -7 -3
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x = 45, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
3b2o15b2o2bo15bo$3bo2bo13bo2bobo14b3o$4b3o14bob2o18bo$22bo19bobo$2obob
2o16b2o17b2o$ob2obo18bo$5bo16bo19b2o$5b2o15b2o18bo$40bobo$40b2o11$3b2o
20b2o15b2o$3bo21bo16bo$o4bo16b2obo17bo$6o14bo2bob2o13b3o$20b2obo16bo$
2b2o19bo$2bo20b2o$obo$2o!
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x = 36, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
3b2o12bo13bo$3bo2bo9bobob2o9b3o$4b3o10b2obo13bo$22bo10bobo$3bob2o8b8o
10b2o$b3obo9bo$o4bo10b2ob2o12b2o$ob2ob2o10bobo13bo$bobo13bobo10b2obo$
3bo14bo11bobo$3b2o!
Thanks for the tip! Did what you posted, and it finds out transparent blinkers pretty well!simsim314 wrote:Before I forget, I thought of a hack that allows to use CatForce with oscillators.
One just need to replace to Run(2) everywhere there is today Run(1), and that's it. You can add blinkers to catalyst list and see what happens.
It's a hack, so you need to be aware that everything like start-gen and last-gen should be multiplied by 2. But to find transparent blinkers, or to see of some p2s etc. can function as catalysts, it's enough. I don't think I will release official version, but I can help with such experiment.
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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$bobo$bo5b2o$7bobo$7bobo$2b2o4bo$bobo$bo$2o!
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max-gen 100
start-gen 2
last-gen 10
num-catalyst 2
stable-interval 10
search-area -10 -10 10 20
pat 2o$obo$obo$bo!
cat 2o$o$b3o$3bo! 12 -2 -2 *
#cat 3o! 50 2 1 /
cat bo$2b2o$2o$2bo! 10 1 1 |
cat 2bo$obo$bobo$bo! 10 1 1 |
output hftest.rle
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x = 8, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
o6bo$8o3$3b2o$3b2o!
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max-gen 100
start-gen 0
num-catalyst 1
stable-interval 10
search-area 0 0 8 8
pat o6bo$8o!
cat 2o$2o 60 0 0 .
output test.rle
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x = 48, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
o6bo12bo6bo12bo6bo$8o12b8o12b8o5$3b2o$3b2o15b2o24b2o$20b2o24b2o!
A table and table seems a little obtrusive for some snakelike reactions, I think:Kazyan wrote:I've noticed that the fishhook is very useful, but adding all eight orientations takes a lot of computation. Meanwhile, hypothetically, both eating actions can be covered by adding a mirrored dock and a table-on-table to the catalyst list. It's slightly less general because those objects are bigger, but they require only 4 total orientations, where the fishhook requires 8. This could speed things up somewhat, and incidentally catch any table-based catalysis.
Thoughts?
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x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
3b2ob2o$4bobo$4bobo$3b2ob2o3$bo$b2o$obo!
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#C [[ VIEWONLY ]]
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
4b2o7b2o$2o2bo5bo3bo$obobo5b4o$2bobobo$2bo2b2o5b4o$b2o8bo3bo$11b2o3$
11b2o$b2o8bo3bo$2bo2b2o5b4o$2bobobo$obobo5b4o$2o2bo5bo3bo$4b2o7b2o!