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Re: Basic Question on Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 7th, 2023, 4:43 pm

amling wrote:
June 4th, 2022, 6:54 pm
HartmutHolzwart wrote:
July 12th, 2009, 7:22 am
...
What is the convoy with least constant breadth that can support an arbitrary long *WSS?

Cheers,
Hartmut
...
Width 27 is possible (and as foretold/implied, it uses a different slice between sections):

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x = 27, y = 95, rule = B3/S23
2$12b3o$12bo2bo$7bo4bo6bo$6b3o3bo5b3o$6bob2o2bo5bob2o$7b3o2bo6b3o$7b3o
2bo3bo2b3o$7b2o3bo6b3o$7bo4bo3bobobo$10bobo5b2o$7bo4bo2bo$2bo4bo2bobo
4bo6bo$b3o5b2obo3bobo4b3o$bob2o3bobobo3bo6bob2o$2b3o2b2o3bo5b2o4b3o$2b
2o3bobo2bo4bo6b2o$6bo3bobo5b4o$5b3ob2obo3bo5bo$4bo4bo2bo5b5o$5bob2o3bo
8bo$8bo3bo6b2obo$3b2obo5bo4b2obo2bo$3b2o7bo3bo2bo3bo$4b4obo2bo$10bobo
3bo2bo2bo$10bobo3b2o2bo$7bo2bobo5bo$7bo2bobo3b2o$12bo$12bo$7bo4bo6bo$
6b3o3bo5b3o$6bob2o2bo5bob2o$7b3o2bo6b3o$7b3o2bo3bo2b3o$7b2o3bo6b3o$7bo
4bo3bobobo$10bobo5b2o$7bo4bo2bo$2bo4bo2bobo4bo6bo$b3o5b2obo3bobo4b3o$b
ob2o3bobobo3bo6bob2o$2b3o2b2o3bo5b2o4b3o$2b2o3bobo2bo4bo6b2o$6bo3bobo
5b4o$5b3ob2obo3bo5bo$4bo4bo2bo5b5o$5bob2o3bo8bo$8bo3bo6b2obo$3b2obo5bo
4b2obo2bo$3b2o7bo3bo2bo3bo$4b4obo2bo$10bobo3bo2bo2bo$10bobo3b2o2bo$7bo
2bobo5bo$7bo2bobo3b2o$12bo$12bo$7bo4bo6bo$6b3o3bo5b3o$6bob2o2bo5bob2o$
7b3o2bo6b3o$7b3o2bo3bo2b3o$7b2o3bo6b3o$7bo4bo3bobobo$10bobo5b2o$7bo4bo
2bo$2bo4bo2bobo4bo6bo$b3o5b2obo3bobo4b3o$bob2o3bobobo3bo6bob2o$2b3o2b
2o3bo5b2o4b3o$2b2o3bobo2bo4bo6b2o$6bo3bobo5b4o$5b3ob2obo3bo5bo$4bo4bo
2bo5b5o$5bob2o3bo8bo$8bo3bo6b2obo$3b2obo5bo4b2obo2bo$3b2o7bo3bo2bo3bo$
4b4obo2bo$10bobo3bo2bo2bo$10bobo3b2o2bo$7bo2bobo5bo$7bo2bobo3b2o$12bo$
12bo$12bo$12bo$13bobo!
Width 23 is possible for the repeating section and the tail (requires a thicker start):

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#C [[ TRACK 0 -1/2 ]]
x = 54, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
6b3o3b3o23b3o3b3o$6bo2bo2bo2bo22bo2bo2bo2bo$bo4bo5bo13bo11bo5bo6bo$3o
3bo3bo2bo3b3o5b3o5b3o2bo2bo2bo5b3o$ob2o2bo4b3o3bo2bo4bob2o4bo2bo4bo2bo
5bob2o$b3o2bo5bo2bo3b2o5b3o3bo2b2o4bo2bo6b3o$b3o2bo8b2o4b2o3b3o2b5o5bo
2bo3bo2b3o$b3o3bo12b2o4b3obo2bo2bo2b2o4bo2bo2b3o$b2o13b3o7b3obo4bobo
13b2o$19bo6b3o6b2o$19bo2b2o2b2o3bo3bo$19bo2b2o2b2ob2o4bo$19bo2b2o2b2o
7bo$15bo3bo6b2ob2o4bo$19bo6b2o7bo$19bo6b3o3bobo$22bo3b3o3bobo$17b3o6b
3o3b2o$18bo2b2o3b3ob2ob2o$18b2obo4b3o6bo$19bo3bo2b2o3bo2bo$22b2o2b2obo
bo$18bobo5b2obo3b2o$21bo4b2o5bo$20bob2o2b4o4bo$17b3o6b3o6bo$16bo2bo2b
2o2b2obo5bo$19bo2b2o2b2ob2o4bo$15bo3bo2b2o2b2o7bo$15bo3bo6b2ob2o4bo$
19bo6b2o7bo$19bo6b3o3bobo$22bo3b3o3bobo$17b3o6b3o3b2o$18bo2b2o3b3ob2ob
2o$18b2obo4b3o6bo$19bo3bo2b2o3bo2bo$22b2o2b2obobo$18bobo5b2obo3b2o$21b
o4b2o5bo$20bob2o2b4o4bo$17b3o6b3o6bo$16bo2bo2b2o2b2obo5bo$19bo2b2o2b2o
b2o4bo$15bo3bo2b2o2b2o7bo$15bo3bo6b2ob2o4bo$19bo6b2o7bo$19bo6b3o3bobo$
22bo3b3o3bobo$17b3o6b3o3b2o$18bo2b2o3b3ob2ob2o$18b2obo4b3o6bo$19bo3bo
2b2o3bo2bo$22b2o2b2obobo$18bobo5b2obo3b2o$21bo4b2o5bo$20bob2o2b4o4bo$
17b3o6b3o6bo$16bo2bo2b2o2b2obo5bo$19bo2b2o2b2ob2o4bo$15bo3bo2b2o2b2o7b
o$19bo6b2ob2o4bo$16bobo7b2o4bobo$26b3o$26b3o$26b3o$26b2o!
The search that found this started with "wildcard" input columns to LLSSS, where I've fixed the center 3 columns but then the next 3 columns can be any values they want. When run wide enough it finds this cycle somewhere "downstream" (f2b) and when run one less wide it terminates. I infer that if there is a thinner repeating section it is both everywhere-thickish (each slice is at least 4 interesting columns) and moreover findable f2b only from such thickish slices. I could not complete an analogous search but with 4 wildcard columns due to memory limits.

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by dvgrn » March 7th, 2023, 5:53 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
March 5th, 2023, 3:56 pm
Just a plain error in the search setup!This works better (edit: corrected another copy/paste error).
Are there maybe a couple more errors to correct? The last two RLEs, the mixed grain end piece and the ant front, don't quite seem to be self-sustaining. (?)

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » March 7th, 2023, 6:00 pm

These are all old partials, put there in the hope to give Keith some more ideas how to continue his searches. Maybe he has the right idea and resources to complete them. I just had a few minutes to post, sorry!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » March 7th, 2023, 7:42 pm

I discovered this reaction by accident when trying to reduce the crotchet synthesis.
Is this boat-pulling reaction known?

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x = 24, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
2bob4obo$b2ob4ob2o$o4b2o4bo$4b4o$2b2o4b2o$3bo4bo$2bobo2bobo$3b6o$3b6o$
b2o6b2o2$bo8bo$5b2o2$6bo11b2obo$5bobo7b2ob2ob2o$6b2o7bo2bobo2bo$9b2o4b
2o5bo$9b2ob2o$9bo2b2o$12b2o!
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » March 8th, 2023, 2:36 am

Here is another partial result, a mixed grain end piece that uses one og Amlings examples:

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x = 110, y = 136, rule = B3/S23
11b89o$10bo89bo$10bob87obo$9bo2bo85bo2bo$10b91o$9bob2o85b2obo$9bobo4b
79o4bobo$8bo3bo85bo3bo$7bo3bo5b77o5bo3bo$9bo2b3obo77bob3o2bo$11b2obo2b
77o2bob2o$14bo81bo$11b3ob81ob3o$10bo89bo$9bob89obo$9b2o89b2o$8bo2b89o
2bo$6b3obo89bob3o$4b4o3b89o3b4o$3bo3b4o89b4o3bo$2b2o7b89o7b2o$2bo4b4o
89b4o4bo$4bo6b89o6bo$4b2o4bo89bo4b2o$8bo2b89o2bo$8bobo89bobo$8bobo2b
85o2bobo$6bobobobo85bobobobo$5b2obobobob83obobobob2o$10bobo85bobo$10bo
bo2b81o2bobo$6bo3bobobo81bobobo3bo$7b3o2bobo2b77o2bobo2b3o$14bobo77bob
o$14bob79obo$14bobo77bobo$13b2obo2b73o2bob2o$14bobobo73bobobo$15b2obo
2b69o2bob2o$16bobobo69bobobo$16bobo2b69o2bobo$15b2obobo69bobob2o$18bob
o2b65o2bobo$17b2obobo65bobob2o$18bobobob63obobobo$18bobobo65bobobo$17b
2obobo2b61o2bobob2o$20bobobo61bobobo$20bobobo2b57o2bobobo$20bobobobo
57bobobobo$18bobobobob59obobobobo$19b2obobobo57bobobob2o$22bobobo2b53o
2bobobo$22bobobobo53bobobobo$19b2obobobobo2b49o2bobobobob2o$22bobobobo
bo49bobobobobo$21b2obobobo2b49o2bobobob2o$22bobobobobo49bobobobobo$21b
2obobobobo2b45o2bobobobob2o$21b2obobobobobo45bobobobobob2o$24bobobobob
ob43obobobobobo$24bobobobobo45bobobobobo$24bobobobobo2b41o2bobobobobo$
23b2obobobobobo41bobobobobob2o$24bobobobobobo2b37o2bobobobobobo$25b2ob
obobobobo37bobobobobob2o$26bobobobobob39obobobobobo$26bobobobobobo37bo
bobobobobo$25b2obobobobobo2b33o2bobobobobob2o$28bobobobobobo33bobobobo
bobo$27b2obobobobobo2b29o2bobobobobob2o$28bobobobobobobo29bobobobobobo
bo$28bobobobobobo2b29o2bobobobobobo$27b2obobobobobobo29bobobobobobob2o
$30bobobobobobo2b25o2bobobobobobo$30bobobobobobobo25bobobobobobobo$30b
obobobobobobob23obobobobobobobo$28bobobobobobobobo25bobobobobobobobo$
29b2obobobobobobo2b21o2bobobobobobob2o$32bobobobobobobo21bobobobobobob
o$32bobobobobobobo2b17o2bobobobobobobo$29b2obobobobobobobobo17bobobobo
bobobobob2o$32bobobobobobobob19obobobobobobobo$31b2obobobobobobobo17bo
bobobobobobob2o$32bobobobobobobobo2b13o2bobobobobobobobo$31b2obobobobo
bobobobo13bobobobobobobobob2o$31b2obobobobobobobobo2b9o2bobobobobobobo
bob2o$34bobobobobobobobobo9bobobobobobobobobo$34bobobobobobobobo2b9o2b
obobobobobobobo$34bobobobobobobobobo9bobobobobobobobobo$33b2obobobobob
obobobo2b5o2bobobobobobobobob2o$34bobobobobobobobobobo5bobobobobobobob
obobo$35b2obobobobobobobobob3obobobobobobobobob2o$36bobobobobobobobobo
5bobobobobobobobobo$36bobobobobobobobo2bobobo2bobobobobobobobo$35b2obo
bobobobobobo4bo4bobobobobobobob2o$38bobobobobobob2o7b2obobobobobobo$
37b2obobobobobo13bobobobobob2o$38bobobobobobo13bobobobobobo$38bobobobo
bobo13bobobobobobo$37b2obobobobobobo9bobobobobobob2o$40bobobobob2o11b
2obobobobo$40bobobobo17bobobobo$40bobobobo17bobobobo$38bobobobobob2o
11b2obobobobobo$39b2obobobo17bobobob2o$42bobob2o15b2obobo$42bobobo17bo
bobo$39b2obobob2o15b2obobob2o$42bobob2o15b2obobo$41b2obo21bob2o$44bo
21bo$44bo21bo$44b2o19b2o$41b3obo19bob3o$42b2o23b2o$40bob2o23b2obo2$40b
3o4bo15bo4b3o$39bo6b3o13b3o6bo$41b2o5bo13bo5b2o$42bo3bo17bo3bo$39b2ob
2ob2o17b2ob2ob2o$43bo4bo13bo4bo$39b2ob2o4bo13bo4b2ob2o$40bo2bo23bo2bo$
40b2o27b2o$40bo29bo$40bo2bo23bo2bo2$41b2o25b2o$43bo23bo$43b3o19b3o$45b
o19bo$44bo21bo!
At least it is extensible...

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 9th, 2023, 12:20 am

Now that I've sketched diagonal symmetries for LLSSS, I'm starting to look at what it enables. One thing is to try to produce a 2c/8d glide-symmetric odd front for a barber pole. It reduced to c/4d quickly enough, but I was not immediately able to solve it as c/4d. A possible beginning partial might look something like:

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x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
2o$o$bobo2$3bobo2$5bobo2$7bobo11bo$22b2o$9bobo9b2o$25bo$11bobo11bo$22b
o3b2o$13bobo6bo3bo2bo$21bo4b4o$15bob2ob3o2b3obobo$22bob4o2bo$16bobo2bo
4b2o2bo$19bo2b3o5b2o$16bo3bobo3bo3bo$8bobo4b2obo3bo3bob2obo$9b2o2b2ob
2ob4obobo$9bo9bo4b2o5bo$17bobo2b4o2b2o$11b2o3b2o5b3ob4o$13b6ob3o5bo2bo
$13bob4o6bo4bo$15bo5bo2b3o2bo$14b3o4bo2b2o2bob2o$17b4o4bobob3o$16bo2bo
bobo2bo2b2o!
EDIT: It occurs to me that there is no need to restrict attention to symmetric fronts. Asymmetric orthogonal "upward" also reduced pretty quickly and I have also not been able to solve it yet. An example partial from the very first c4/d upward search looks something like:

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x = 35, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo2$2bobo2$4bobo2$6bobo2$8bobo2$10bobo2$12bobo2$14bobo2$16bobo2$
18bobo2$20bobo2$22bobo2$24bobo$25b2o$23b4o$24bo3bo$20b2o2b4o2bo$26b3o$
20b3obob2obobo$20bo3bo4bobo$20bob2obob4obo$20bob2o3b3o2b2o$24b4o2bo2bo
$20bobo2bo4bo2bo$21bob2o4bob2o$23b2o5bo$28bob3o$24b2obobo$22bob2obo5bo
$20b2o2b3ob2obob2o$26b2o5b2o$24bobobo$22bobob2o4bo$20bo3bo6bobo$19bo7b
ob2o$18bo2bobo4b7o!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » March 9th, 2023, 11:04 am

Another cool partial. I fear it‘s out of reach for WLS, but you only know if you try. Sometimes I‘m lucky.

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 9th, 2023, 3:17 pm

amling wrote:
March 9th, 2023, 12:20 am
Now that I've sketched diagonal symmetries for LLSSS, I'm starting to look at what it enables. One thing is to try to produce a 2c/8d glide-symmetric odd front for a barber pole. It reduced to c/4d quickly enough, but I was not immediately able to solve it as c/4d. A possible beginning partial might look something like:

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x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
2o$o$bobo2$3bobo2$5bobo2$7bobo11bo$22b2o$9bobo9b2o$25bo$11bobo11bo$22b
o3b2o$13bobo6bo3bo2bo$21bo4b4o$15bob2ob3o2b3obobo$22bob4o2bo$16bobo2bo
4b2o2bo$19bo2b3o5b2o$16bo3bobo3bo3bo$8bobo4b2obo3bo3bob2obo$9b2o2b2ob
2ob4obobo$9bo9bo4b2o5bo$17bobo2b4o2b2o$11b2o3b2o5b3ob4o$13b6ob3o5bo2bo
$13bob4o6bo4bo$15bo5bo2b3o2bo$14b3o4bo2b2o2bob2o$17b4o4bobob3o$16bo2bo
bobo2bo2b2o!
EDIT: It occurs to me that there is no need to restrict attention to symmetric fronts. Asymmetric orthogonal "upward" also reduced pretty quickly and I have also not been able to solve it yet. An example partial from the very first c4/d upward search looks something like:

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x = 35, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo2$2bobo2$4bobo2$6bobo2$8bobo2$10bobo2$12bobo2$14bobo2$16bobo2$
18bobo2$20bobo2$22bobo2$24bobo$25b2o$23b4o$24bo3bo$20b2o2b4o2bo$26b3o$
20b3obob2obobo$20bo3bo4bobo$20bob2obob4obo$20bob2o3b3o2b2o$24b4o2bo2bo
$20bobo2bo4bo2bo$21bob2o4bob2o$23b2o5bo$28bob3o$24b2obobo$22bob2obo5bo
$20b2o2b3ob2obob2o$26b2o5b2o$24bobobo$22bobob2o4bo$20bo3bo6bobo$19bo7b
ob2o$18bo2bobo4b7o!
Just needed a new day, a fresh mind, and a few lucky branches:

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#C [[ TRACK -1/4 -1/4 ]]
x = 56, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bobo$15bo$18bo$17bobo$17bobo$9b3o5bo$9bo7bo$4b2o6b2o3bo3bo$4bo
bo3bo6bo3b2o$4bo5b2o4bo3bo$7bo4b3o9b2o$7b2o11bo3bobo$18b2obo$bo11b2o2b
o3bo4bobo$2o12bo6bo2bo$obo9bo7bo7bobo$4bo5b2o5b3o$3bo2bo2b2o2bo3bo3bob
o6bobo$3bo3bo2bo5bo4bobo$7b5o7bobo10bobo$9bo6bo2bo$6bobo6b2ob4o12bobo$
5bo8b2obo2b2o$4b2o2bo4b2o5b2o14bobo$3bo10bo5b2o$3bobob2o6b2o3b2o16bobo
$4bo2b2o4bob2o$7b3o2b5o6bo16bobo$12bo6b2ob2o$12bob2obo2bo21bobo$17bo3b
o$11b2o7b2obo20bobo$7b2o3bo2b4ob2o2bo$7bobo2b2obo7b3o20bobo$7bo6b2o2b
3o2b2o$10bo3b3o5b3o23bobo$10b3ob2o7bo$14bobobo3bo27bobo$16b2o4bo2bo$
10b3o3bobo2b2obo27bobo$10b3o4bobo2bo32bo$5b3o10bo3b2o30b2o$5bo2b3o8bo$
8bo$5bo2bo$5bo2bo3bo$6b2o2b2obo$6bo7bo$7bobo$7bobo4bo$11b5o$14b2o2$10b
3o$10b3o2$9b2o$9bo!
And of course provides a front for this c5/d barber pole eater from jslife-moving:

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x = 136, y = 168, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bobo$15bo$18bo$17bobo$17bobo$9b3o5bo$9bo7bo$4b2o6b2o3bo3bo$4bo
bo3bo6bo3b2o$4bo5b2o4bo3bo$7bo4b3o9b2o$7b2o11bo3bobo$18b2obo$bo11b2o2b
o3bo4bobo$2o12bo6bo2bo$obo9bo7bo7bobo$4bo5b2o5b3o$3bo2bo2b2o2bo3bo3bob
o6bobo$3bo3bo2bo5bo4bobo$7b5o7bobo10bobo$9bo6bo2bo$6bobo6b2ob4o12bobo$
5bo8b2obo2b2o$4b2o2bo4b2o5b2o14bobo$3bo10bo5b2o$3bobob2o6b2o3b2o16bobo
$4bo2b2o4bob2o$7b3o2b5o6bo16bobo$12bo6b2ob2o$12bob2obo2bo21bobo$17bo3b
o$11b2o7b2obo20bobo$7b2o3bo2b4ob2o2bo$7bobo2b2obo7b3o20bobo$7bo6b2o2b
3o2b2o$10bo3b3o5b3o23bobo$10b3ob2o7bo$14bobobo3bo27bobo$16b2o4bo2bo$
10b3o3bobo2b2obo27bobo$10b3o4bobo2bo$5b3o10bo3b2o30bobo$5bo2b3o8bo$8bo
47bobo$5bo2bo$5bo2bo3bo45bobo$6b2o2b2obo$6bo7bo45bobo$7bobo$7bobo4bo
47bobo$11b5o$14b2o48bobo2$10b3o53bobo$10b3o$68bobo$9b2o$9bo60bobo2$72b
obo$82b2o$74bobo3b2obo$83b2o$76bobo3b3o$79bo4bo$78b2ob2o$80b3o$78b2o4b
o$78b2o3b2o$77bobo3b3o$77bob2o3bo$78b4ob2o$79b2obobo$80bobob3o$85bo2bo
$80b3o2bo3bo$81b2o2b2obo$86bo$84b3o$84b3o$87bobo$83b2o$83b3o$85bob2o$
87b2o$83b2o$83b2o2b2o$82bo2bo2bo$82b4ob2o$84bobo2$82bobo$81bo3bo$80b2o
b4o$83bob6o$86b2o4bo$83b2o7bo$83b2o2b2o$83b2o2b2o$89b2o2bo$87bo3b2o2$
87b2obo$88bo2b2o$88bo4bo$92b2o$88bob4o$88bo2b2o$88bo4bo$89b2obo2$90b3o
$88b2ob3o$87b2o4bo$87bobob2o$92bobo$87bo4bobo$86bobo2b3o$86bo2bo2bo2$
88b2o$90bobo$89b2ob2o$90bob2o$93b2obo$93bo2bo4bo$93bo2b2ob4o$92b3o3bo
4bo$93b2o2bo2b2o3bo$94bob4o2b2obo$94b2ob2obo$95bobo2b3o$97b2obo2bo$96b
3o4bob2o$97b2o3b2o2$103bob2o$102bo4bo$101b2o2b3o$104bo2bo$104b3o$105b
2o$108b2obo$111b4o$108bo2b3o$109bo$110bo2$111b2o$111b3o$112bobo$113bo$
113b3o$115b3o$116b2o$116b2obo$119b3o3bo$119b2obobobo$124bobo$117b3o5bo
$117bo7b2o$118b2o5bo5bo$124bo3b3o2bo$125bo2bo4bo$131b2ob2o$133bo$134b
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » March 11th, 2023, 7:52 am

Is the following 2c/9 orthogonal infinite puffer wave known? (Edit: hotdogPi found the small spark-supported component without the connecting blocks back on January 22, 2023.)

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x = 44, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T44,0
4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$o2bobobo2b2o2bobobo2b2o2bobobo2b2o2b
obobo2bo$ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2obo$2bo5bo4bo5bo4bo5bo4b
o5bo!
It can be stabilized by domino sparks in two different ways:

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x = 44, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o3bo$o2bobobo2b2o2bobobo2b2o2bobobo2b
2o2bobobo2bo$ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2o$2bo5bo4bo5bo4bo5bo
4bo5bo!
A sufficient 2c/9 orthogonal domino sparker would then give a finite puffer. The interaction is weak enough that it might be a good starting point for a direct LLSSS search.

I found this wave while testing a cylindrical hack of qfind. I tried a width-6 odd/even and got the following longest partial result:

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x = 44, y = 39, rule = B3/S23:T44,0
4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$o4bo4b2o4bo4b2o4bo4b2o4bo4bo$o2b2ob2o2b2o2b2ob2o2b2o
2b2ob2o2b2o2b2ob2o2bo$3b2ob2o6b2ob2o6b2ob2o6b2ob2o2$3bo3bo6bo3bo6bo3bo
6bo3bo$o3b3o3b2o3b3o3b2o3b3o3b2o3b3o3bo$o9b2o9b2o9b2o9bo$3bo3bo6bo3bo
6bo3bo6bo3bo$2bobobobo4bobobobo4bobobobo4bobobobo$b2obobob2o2b2obobob
2o2b2obobob2o2b2obobob2o$b2obobob2o2b2obobob2o2b2obobob2o2b2obobob2o$b
2o5b2o2b2o5b2o2b2o5b2o2b2o5b2o$bo7bo2bo7bo2bo7bo2bo7bo$bobo3bobo2bobo
3bobo2bobo3bobo2bobo3bobo$2b3ob3o4b3ob3o4b3ob3o4b3ob3o$4bobo8bobo8bobo
8bobo$ob3ob3ob2ob3ob3ob2ob3ob3ob2ob3ob3obo$3bo3bo6bo3bo6bo3bo6bo3bo$2b
2o3b2o4b2o3b2o4b2o3b2o4b2o3b2o$2bo5bo4bo5bo4bo5bo4bo5bo$3b2ob2o6b2ob2o
6b2ob2o6b2ob2o$3obobob6obobob6obobob6obobob3o$2b2obob2o4b2obob2o4b2obo
b2o4b2obob2o$4bobo8bobo8bobo8bobo$o2bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo3b
o2bo$bobobobobo2bobobobobo2bobobobobo2bobobobobo$bo2bobo2bo2bo2bobo2bo
2bo2bobo2bo2bo2bobo2bo$3o5b6o5b6o5b6o5b3o$bo7bo2bo7bo2bo7bo2bo7bo$5bo
10bo10bo10bo$2b7o4b7o4b7o4b7o$b4ob4o2b4ob4o2b4ob4o2b4ob4o$3bo3bo6bo3bo
6bo3bo6bo3bo$bo7bo2bo7bo2bo7bo2bo7bo$2o3bo3b4o3bo3b4o3bo3b4o3bo3b2o$bo
2bobo2bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo2bobo2bo$2o7b4o7b4o7b4o7b2o$2b3ob3o4b
3ob3o4b3ob3o4b3ob3o!
I noticed that the first few rows were only loosely connected to the back, so I ran them on their own and discovered that they formed the infinite puffer wave.

Completely unrelated is this useless 2c/9 superstring-supported wave front end:

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x = 45, y = 83, rule = B3/S23:T45,0
4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo$3bobo6bobo6bobo6bobo6bobo$2b2ob2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o
4b2ob2o$2bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo$b2obob2o2b2obob2o2b2obob2o2b2ob
ob2o2b2obob2o$2bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo$3b3o6b3o
6b3o6b3o6b3o$4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo2$45o$2b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o$3b3o6b3o6b3o6b
3o6b3o5$45o$2o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b2o$o7b2o7b2o7b2o7b2o7bo$2bo3bo4bo3bo4b
o3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo3$45o$2b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o$3b3o6b3o6b
3o6b3o6b3o5$45o$2o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b2o$o7b2o7b2o7b2o7b2o7bo$2bo3bo4bo
3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo3$45o$2b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o$3b3o6b
3o6b3o6b3o6b3o5$45o$2o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b2o$o7b2o7b2o7b2o7b2o7bo$2bo3bo
4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo3$45o$2b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o$3b
3o6b3o6b3o6b3o6b3o5$45o$2o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b2o$o7b2o7b2o7b2o7b2o7bo$2b
o3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo3$45o$2b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o
$3b3o6b3o6b3o6b3o6b3o5$45o$2o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b4o5b2o$o7b2o7b2o7b2o7b2o7bo
$2bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo8bo8bo8bo8bo3$45o$2b5o4b5o4b5o4b5o
4b5o$3b3o6b3o6b3o6b3o6b3o!
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by dbell » March 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

I want to point out that the new barberpole stretcher is an almost-phoenix growing object. That is, the percentage of cells which stay alive for more than one generation approaches zero.

This old phoenix puffer also has that property, but the barberpole stretcher is much better since it is closely connected.

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#C A period 48 phoenix puffer.
#C This produces a period 2 phoenix oscillator every 48 generations.
#C This growing object has the unusual property that the percentage of
#C live cells which stay alive for more than one generation approaches
#C zero.
#C
#C David I. Bell, February 2001
x = 215, y = 117
181boo$180b4o$179booboo$38boo140boo$37b4o$36booboo129boo$37boo31boo97b
oob4o13bo$69b4o97b6o12boo$27boo39booboo98b4o13boo$26boob4o36boo31boo
58bobbo$27b6o68b4o56bo$28b4o6b5o16boo39booboo56bo3bo9boo$19bobbo15b5o
15boob4o36boo58b4o10bo$18bo17boo3boo16b6o102b3o5boo9b3o$18bo3bo11b3ob
oo20b4o27boo74booboo6b3o3boobboo$18b4o13bobbo3bo8bobbo35boob4o70b3o5b
oo$24b3obboo4bo3b7o4bo40b6o64b4o9boo$24b3obboo5b5o3bo5bo3bo10bo5bo20b
4o65bo3bo$24b3obboo7b3o9b4o4bo4booboob4o10bobbo74bo$18b4o14bo19boo5boo
boobo3bo8bo36boo41bobbo16bo$18bo3bo12bo20b3o5bobbo4bo9bo3bo10bo5bo14b
oob3o13bobbo41bobo$18bo16bo3bo16boo5bobo16b4o4bo4booboob4o14b5o12bo45b
oo$19bobbo13bobo11b4o4bo4boo23boo5booboobo3bo14b3o13bo3bo33boo$36boo
12bo3bo10b4o19b3o5bobbo4bo31b4o33booboo$50bo16boo19boo5bobo22boo52b4o$
31boo18bobbo27b4o4bo4boo22bo55boo11bo$30booboo8bo38bo3bo10b4o16boob5o
63bobo$19b4o8b4o8bobo27bo8bo16boo16bo6boo10bo51boo$19bo3bo8boo9boo18b
oo8bobo7bobbo30bo7boo8b3o40boo$12boo5bo42booboo6boo43bobbo3bo8bobbo39b
4o$10bo4bo4bobbo39b4o38bo14bo13boo7bo32booboo$9bo25boo27boo29boo8bobo
26boo8bo32boo$9bo5bo18b4o11bo44booboo6boo9bobbo5boo15b3o$9b6o18booboo
11bobo27bo15b4o16bo8b4o24bo32bo$34boo13boo16boo10bobo14boo17bo3bo3boob
oo8b3o14bo27b6o$bboo41bobo18b4o9boo34b4o5boo9b5o11b3o4bo17b8o3bo$b4o
40bobbo16booboo41bo22boob3o18bo17bo8boo$ooboo33boo26boo31boo10bobo21b
oo20bo18bo6b3o14bo$boo5booboob3obob3o10b8o8bo5bo42b4o9boo64bo5boo15bob
o$7bo6b3obbo3bo9bo6bo6boo6bobo16bo10bo11booboo41b6o7b3obo9bo8boo19boo$
6boo13boo10bo21boo13b6o9bobo10boo43bo5boo5bobboboo8bo$7bo6boboo16bo4bo
25b8o3bo8boo22bobo31bo5boboo6bo9b3o$boo5booboobo4bo16boo27bo8boo33bobb
o31bo3bo11bo$ooboo10b4o46bo6b3o27boo42bo8booboo$b4o12bo48bo5boo23b8o8b
o31boo$bboo64boo27bo6bo6boo31b4o$97bo45booboo$14bobbo5bobo72bo4bo40boo
$13bo9boo75boo21bo$13bo3bo6bo98bobo$13b4o50bo55boo$67bobo20boo5bo16boo
22boo22boo22boo22bo$20bobbo43boo21boo5bobo14boo22boo22boo22boo22bobo$
19bo9bobo38boo25boo109bo$19bo3bo5bobo7boo22boo5bobo14boo22boo22boo4boo
16boo4boo16boo4boo22boo$19b4o16boo22boo5bo16boo22boo22boo4boo16boo4boo
16boo4boo16boo$29bo183bo$28boobo82boo22boo22boo22boo21bobo$20b3o10bo
80boo22boo22boo22boo23bo$19b5o9bo$18boob4o5bobbo39boo19boo$19boo5boo3b
o9boo28bo5boo15bobo8boo19boo27boo$39bo5boo23bo6b3o14bo8bo5boo15bobo25b
4o$38bo6b3o22bo8boo21bo6b3o14bo26booboo$38bo8boo21b8o3bo20bo8boo41boo$
38b8o3bo8boo15b6o21b8o3bo$43b6o9bobo18bo27b6o49bo$47bo10bo52bo46b6o$
71boo80b8o3bo37b3o$39boo29booboo28boo48bo8boo38bo$38booboo28b4o27boob
oo46bo6b3o9boo29bo$39b4o9boo18boo29b4o39b3o5bo5boo9bobo$40boo10bobo27b
oo20boo39b5o6boo15bo$52bo29bobo29boo10bobbo5boo7boob3o13boo$69boo11bo
31bobo8bo8b4o7boo15bobo$37boo29b4o29boo11bo10bo3bo3booboo26bo$36b4o27b
ooboo28b4o21b4o5boo18boo$35booboo6boo20boo29booboo49bobo$36boo8bobo27b
oo22boo43boo8bo$46bo29bobo29boo34bobbo$56bobbo16bo31bobo25boo7boobo19b
6o16b3o$24bobbo27bo32bobbo16bo18b3o7boo6booboo18bo5boo14bo$23bo16boo
13bo3bo27bo39bo7bobo8bobo19bo5boboo13bo$23bo3bo10b4o13b4o9boo17bo3bo
35bo7boo10bo21bo3bo$23b4o4bo4boo23b3o5boo16b4o9boo26bo5bo36bo11bo$29b
oo5bobo22booboo6b3o3boobboo9b3o5boo27bo16bobbo19boo12bobo$29b3o5bobbo
4bo15b3o5boo9b3o10booboo6b3o3boobboo30bo22b4o13bo$29boo5booboobo3bo8b
4o10bo23b3o5boo9b3o31bo3bo17booboo11bo$23b4o4bo4booboob4o9bo3bo9boo16b
4o10bo27boo15b4o19boo14bo$23bo3bo10bo5bo10bo31bo3bo9boo25boob3o$23bo
32bobbo27bo41b5o$24bobbo37b4o13boo4bobbo38b3o$33b4o27b6o12boo13b4o13b
oo62b3o$32b6o25boob4o13bo12b6o12boo50boo10bo$31boob4o26boo29boob4o13bo
49booboo9bo$32boo62boo68b4o$74boo91boo$42boo29booboo28boo63b3o$41boob
oo28b4o27booboo$42b4o29boo29b4o43b4o13bo$43boo62boo44bo3bo13boo$153bo
7bo9boo$154bobbobb7o5boo$159boob3obbo3b3o3bobboo$154bobbobb7o7bobboo$
153bo7bo11b3obboboo$153bo3bo16booboo$153b4o20b3o$178boo$175b4o$162boo
11b3o$161boob4o8bo$162b6o$163b4o6boo$172b4o$171booboo$172boo!
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Timelord Missionary » March 11th, 2023, 11:25 am

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x = 44, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T44,0
4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$o2bobobo2b2o2bobobo2b2o2bobobo2b2o2b
obobo2bo$ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2ob2ob2o3b2obo$2bo5bo4bo5bo4bo5bo4b
o5bo$$$o9b2o9b2o9b2o9bo$o9b2o9b2o9b2o9bo!
I sort of accidentally discovered this other cool puffer based on the same engine.[edit:] It was probably going to be discovered anyway
Helloshe, I like pentadecathlons and small-period motifs. I also don’t like how some people say that a hassler can’t be mutually supporting; a better metric would be that if there are any casing stator cells in the object being hassled.
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 11th, 2023, 4:53 pm

Sokwe wrote:
March 11th, 2023, 7:52 am
A sufficient 2c/9 orthogonal domino sparker would then give a finite puffer. The interaction is weak enough that it might be a good starting point for a direct LLSSS search.
Uh, I think a 2c/9 ship with a domino spark might be a bit of a tall order. That 9 seems impossibly big, but I suppose it will not hurt to set up a few quick searches...

My best guesses for search types are (a) s2s recentering which looks like it's not going to get anywhere w/in acceptable memory and (b) an immediate f2b turn which looks like it will at least get past the critical point on the turn, meaning it has become "just" an f2b search. More details later once these reach the front of the project queue and I can run them at real size.

So far (just a few very small test searches) the best of (a) is:

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|  ....**... |  ...***... |  ......*.. |  ......... |  ......... | .........  | .........  | .........  | .........  |
|  ......... |  ...*.*... |  ...*.*... |  ......... |  ......... | .........  | .........  | .........  | .........  |
|  ...**.... |  ......... |  ......... |  ....*.... |  ...*..... | ....**...  | ...*.*...  | ....*....  | ...*.....  |
|  ......... |  ..*...... |  ...*..... |  ..**..... |  ...**.... | ...***...  | ...*.....  | ..**.....  | ..**.....  |
|  ..***.... |  ...**.... |  ..**..... |  ....*.... |  ...*..... | ....*....  | ..*..*...  | ...*.*...  | ..**.*...  |
|  .....*... |  ..*...... |  ..**..... |  ......... |  ....*.... | ..**.....  | ....**...  | ....**...  |            |
(no RLE since it's so short a single gen is meaningless).

So far the best of (b) is:

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| ............ | ............ | ............ | ............ | ............ | ............ | ............ | ............ | ............ |
| ............ | ............ | ...........* | ...........* | ............ | .......*.... | .......*.... | ......**.... | .....****..* |
| ......**...* | ........*..* | .........*** | ........**.. | ......***... | ......*.*... | ......**.... | ....**.**..* | ....**..*..* |
| ....*****..* | ....*...*.** | ...**..**.** | ...*.***.... | ......**.... | ...*.*...... | ...***.*...* | ...*.*.*...* | ...*........ |
| ....**..*..* | ...**...*.*. | ...***.**.** | ..*....*.... | ..***..**... | ..*.*...*... | ...**....... | ..*..**.*... | ..*****.*..* |
| ..*...**...* | ....*...*... | ...***...*.. | ...*...*.... | ..**...*.... | .......*.... | ..*....*.*.. | ..*.....*... | ..**.*..*... |
| .....***.... | .....*...... | .....*..**.. | ...*....**.. | ...*....*... | ..**...***.. | ...**..*.... | ...*..**.... | .......**... |
| ..*..*..**.. | ....**..**.. | ...*.**..... | ....**...... | ....**..**.. | ....**.*.... | .......*.*.. | .........*.. | ...**.**.... |
| ..*..*..*... | ..**.*...... | ..*...****.. | ..*.*....*.. | ..*.*...**.. | ....***..*.. | ......****.. | ...**..*.*.. |              |
| ...*.*.***.. | ...**.*.*... | ..*.*..*.*.. |              |              |              |              |              |              |

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x = 47, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
11bo10bo10bo10bo$10b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$4b2o3bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o
2bo3bo$2b5o2bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo$2b2o2bo2b2ob2o6b2ob2o
6b2ob2o6b2ob2o$o3b2o3b2ob2o6b2ob2o6b2ob2o6b2ob2o$3b3o4b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$
o2bo2b2o2b3o8b3o8b3o8b3o$o2bo2bo4bo10bo10bo10bo$bobob3o!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » March 11th, 2023, 8:58 pm

amling wrote:
March 11th, 2023, 4:53 pm
That 9 seems impossibly big, but I suppose it will not hurt to set up a few quick searches...
That's basically my thinking. Maybe we'll get lucky and the solution is small enough to find with current methods. It's still probably quite a long shot.

Here's something that I think LLSSS might be well suited for that is slightly less of a long shot: find a p7 3c/7 rake based on this idea.
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 12th, 2023, 12:20 am

Sokwe wrote:
March 11th, 2023, 8:58 pm
amling wrote:
March 11th, 2023, 4:53 pm
That 9 seems impossibly big, but I suppose it will not hurt to set up a few quick searches...
That's basically my thinking. Maybe we'll get lucky and the solution is small enough to find with current methods. It's still probably quite a long shot.

Here's something that I think LLSSS might be well suited for that is slightly less of a long shot: find a p7 3c/7 rake based on this idea.
I've added it to my queue/notes.

My best guesses are same two techniques (fixed board f2b turn and s2s recentering). In preliminary searching f2b turn didn't look too hot and s2s recentering looked maybe okay, e.g.

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|   ............... |   ......**....... |   ......*........ |  .........*.....  |  ........*......  | ..........*....   | ...............   |
|   .......**...... |   .......**...... |   ........*...... |  ...............  |  ...............  | ...............   | .......*.......   |
|   .....***.*..... |   ......*..*..... |   .........*..... |  .....*.........  |  .....**........  | ......***......   | .....**.*......   |
|   ........*...... |   ....*...*...... |   ...***......... |  ....*.**.......  |  ....*.**.......  | ....**.**......   | ....**..*......   |
|   ...**.*........ |   ...**.......... |   ...***.*....... |  ...*..*........  |  ...**..........  | ...*.*.........   | ...*.*.........   |
|   ...*........... |   ..*...**....... |   ..*....*....... |  ...*..**.......  |  ..**..**.......  | ...*...**......   | ..**...........   |
|   ...****.*...... |   ...*****....... |   ...**.......... |  ...***.........  |  ...*...*.......  | ...**..........   | ...**..*.......   |
|   ......*........ |   ....*.*........ |   ...*....*...... |  ....**..*......  |  ......***......  | ......*........   | .....***.......   |
|   ......*..*..... |   .....**.**..... |   ......**....... |  ....*..**......  |  ....*.***......  | ......**.*.....   | .....*.**......   |
|   ......*.**..... |   ....**......... |   ...****........ |  ......*........  |  ...............  | .....*.*.......   | ........*......   |

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x = 41, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
19bo11bo$17b2ob2o7b2ob2o$17b2ob2o7b2ob2o$16bo3b2o7b2o3bo$16b3o13b3o$
19b3ob2ob2ob3o$15b3o5b2ob2o5b3o$14bo5b2o7b2o5bo$13bo6b2o2bobo2b2o6bo$
19b3o2bobo2b3o$13bo6bo9bo6bo$14b2o5bo7bo5b2o$18b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o$18b5o5b
5o$16bo7bobo7bo$15bo2bo3b3ob3o3bo2bo$12b3o21b3o$12b2ob2obo2bo2bobo2bo
2bob2ob2o$12b3o6bo2bobo2bo6b3o$12b3o7bo5bo7b3o$10b2ob2o6b2o5b2o6b2ob2o
$10b4o7b2o5b2o7b4o$21bo7bo$23bo3bo$14b3o6bo3bo6b3o$16bo17bo$12bo25bo$
12bo2bo8b3o8bo2bo$14b2o4bo3b3o3bo4b2o$3b3o6b2ob2o2b3obobobob3o2b2ob2o$
3bobo5bo2b3o2bobo2bobo2bobo2b3o2bo$3bo3bo2b3ob2o3b3ob2ob2ob3o3b2ob3o$
4obobo2b2o7bob9obo7b2o$7b2o2bob3o3bob2obobob2obo3b3obo$o2bo2bobo6b3o5b
o3bo5b3o$2o5bo8bo17bo$11bo5b3o11b3o$12bo5b2o11b2o$10b3o5bobo9bobo2$20b
o9bo$12bo6bo11bo$13b2o$12b2o3$15bo$13bobo$14b2o3$15bobo$16b2o$16bo2$
18bo$19bo$17b3o!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » March 12th, 2023, 6:49 am

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
March 5th, 2023, 3:56 pm
Just a plain error in the search setup!This works better (edit: corrected another copy/paste error).

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x = 25, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
2o6b3o3b3o6b2o$ob6o3b3o3b6obo$o7b3o3b3o7bo$8o3b3o3b8o$bo6b3o3b3o6bo$2b
o3b2o3b3o3b2o3bo$8b3o3b3o$7bo3b3o3bo$4bob5o3b5obo$2b2obo5b3o5bob2o$5b
6o3b6o$11b3o$3bo2b5o3b5o2bo$4bo2bo3b3o3bo2bo$10bo3bo$9bob3obo$7bo9bo$
6b6ob6o$6bo3bo3bo3bo$7b2ob2ob2ob2o$7bo3bobo3bo$8bo3bo3bo3$11b3o$11bobo
$9b2obob2o$7b2obobobob2o$7b4o3b4o$12bo$6b2o3bobo3b2o$7bo9bo2$5bobo9bob
o!
...
Here are two other parts for a potential 2c5o width 3 chicken ship

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x = 83, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
2$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$8b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o$5bob2o2b3o3bob2o2b3o3bob2o2b3o3bob2o2b3o3bob2o2b3o3bob2o2b3o$8b
4o2b3o3b4o2b3o3b4o2b3o3b4o2b3o3b4o2b3o3b4o2b3o$5bo4bobo3b2o4bobo3b2o4b
obo3b2o4bobo3b2o4bobo3b2o4bobo3bo$15bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo$12bo11bo11b
o11bo11bo11bo$5b5o2bo3b6o2bo3b6o2bo3b6o2bo3b6o2bo3b6o2bo3bo$7b3o3bo5b
3o3bo5b3o3bo5b3o3bo5b3o3bo5b3o3bo$13bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo$5bo7b2ob2o
7b2ob2o7b2ob2o7b2ob2o7b2ob2o7b2obo$14b2o10b2o10b2o10b2o10b2o10b2o$5bo
5b2o2bobo5b2o2bobo5b2o2bobo5b2o2bobo5b2o2bobo5b2o2bo$5b2o4b3o2b3o4b3o
2b3o4b3o2b3o4b3o2b3o4b3o2b3o4b3o2bo$12b2o2bo7b2o2bo7b2o2bo7b2o2bo7b2o
2bo7b2o2bo$6bo5b2o4bo5b2o4bo5b2o4bo5b2o4bo5b2o4bo5b2o$6bo6bobo2bo6bobo
2bo6bobo2bo6bobo2bo6bobo2bo6bobo$7bo5bobo3bo5bobo3bo5bobo3bo5bobo3bo5b
obo3bo5bobo$5bo2b2o3b3obo2b2o3b3obo2b2o3b3obo2b2o3b3obo2b2o3b3obo2b2o
3b3o$6b2ob3o3bo2b2ob3o3bo2b2ob3o3bo2b2ob3o3bo2b2ob3o3bo2b2ob3o3bo$6bo
4bob2o3bo4bob2o3bo4bob2o3bo4bob2o3bo4bob2o3bo4bob2o$6bo4bo3bo2bo4bo3bo
2bo4bo3bo2bo4bo3bo2bo4bo3bo2bo4bo3bo$7b2o4bob2o2b2o4bob2o2b2o4bob2o2b
2o4bob2o2b2o4bob2o2b2o4bob2o$13b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o$13bo11bo11bo11b
o11bo11bo$14b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o$14bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo2$12bobo9b
obo9bobo9bobo9bobo9bobo$11bo2b4o5bo2b4o5bo2b4o5bo2b4o5bo2b4o5bo2b4o$
10bo3b2o6bo3b2o6bo3b2o6bo3b2o6bo3b2o6bo3b2o$11bobo9bobo9bobo9bobo9bobo
9bobo!

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x = 73, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
3$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
$4b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o$b2o4bo2bo2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo4bob2o5b
2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$bo2b2o2bo2bob2o4bo2bo2b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$5bo2bo6bo4bob2o5b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
$bo6bo2b3o2b2o2bo2bob2o4bo2bo2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$bob2o6bo5bo2bo6b
o4bob2o5b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b4o8bo6bo2b3o2b2o2bo2bob2o4bo2bo2b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o$3b2o4bo2b2ob2o6bo5bo2bo6bo4bob2o5b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o$bo7b2ob5o
8bo6bo2b3o2b2o2bo2bob2o4bo2bo2b3o3b3o$bo7b2o4b2o4bo2b2ob2o6bo5bo2bo6bo
4bob2o5b2o3b3o$8b3o2bo7b2ob5o8bo6bo2b3o2b2o2bo2bob2o4bo2bo$7bo3b3o7b2o
4b2o4bo2b2ob2o6bo5bo2bo6bo4bob2o$3b3obob2o9b3o2bo7b2ob5o8bo6bo2b3o2b2o
2bo2bo$4b2obobo9bo3b3o7b2o4b2o4bo2b2ob2o6bo5bo2bo$7b2o6b3obob2o9b3o2bo
7b2ob5o8bo6bo2b2o$16b2obobo9bo3b3o7b2o4b2o4bo2b2ob2o6bo$4b2o13b2o6b3ob
ob2o9b3o2bo7b2ob5o$3bo2bo21b2obobo9bo3b3o7b2o4b2o4bo2bo$16b2o13b2o6b3o
bob2o9b3o2bo7b2obo$2b2o2b2o7bo2bo21b2obobo9bo3b3o7b2o$3bo2bo21b2o13b2o
6b3obob2o9b3o$3b4o7b2o2b2o7bo2bo21b2obobo9bo3b2o$3ob2ob3o5bo2bo21b2o
13b2o6b3obob2o$b2o4b2o6b4o7b2o2b2o7bo2bo21b2obobo$2bo4bo4b3ob2ob3o5bo
2bo21b2o13b2o$bo6bo4b2o4b2o6b4o7b2o2b2o7bo2bo$14bo4bo4b3ob2ob3o5bo2bo
21b2o$13bo6bo4b2o4b2o6b4o7b2o2b2o7bo2bo$26bo4bo4b3ob2ob3o5bo2bo$25bo6b
o4b2o4b2o6b4o7b2o2b2o$38bo4bo4b3ob2ob3o5bo2bo$37bo6bo4b2o4b2o6b4o$50bo
4bo4b3ob2ob3o$49bo6bo4b2o4b2o$62bo4bo$61bo6bo!
Those cannot be easily combined with other parts, but at least show there is some hope that such a ship exists.

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » March 12th, 2023, 7:00 am

amling wrote:
March 9th, 2023, 3:17 pm
...

Just needed a new day, a fresh mind, and a few lucky branches:

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#C [[ TRACK -1/4 -1/4 ]]
x = 56, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bobo$15bo$18bo$17bobo$17bobo$9b3o5bo$9bo7bo$4b2o6b2o3bo3bo$4bo
bo3bo6bo3b2o$4bo5b2o4bo3bo$7bo4b3o9b2o$7b2o11bo3bobo$18b2obo$bo11b2o2b
o3bo4bobo$2o12bo6bo2bo$obo9bo7bo7bobo$4bo5b2o5b3o$3bo2bo2b2o2bo3bo3bob
o6bobo$3bo3bo2bo5bo4bobo$7b5o7bobo10bobo$9bo6bo2bo$6bobo6b2ob4o12bobo$
5bo8b2obo2b2o$4b2o2bo4b2o5b2o14bobo$3bo10bo5b2o$3bobob2o6b2o3b2o16bobo
$4bo2b2o4bob2o$7b3o2b5o6bo16bobo$12bo6b2ob2o$12bob2obo2bo21bobo$17bo3b
o$11b2o7b2obo20bobo$7b2o3bo2b4ob2o2bo$7bobo2b2obo7b3o20bobo$7bo6b2o2b
3o2b2o$10bo3b3o5b3o23bobo$10b3ob2o7bo$14bobobo3bo27bobo$16b2o4bo2bo$
10b3o3bobo2b2obo27bobo$10b3o4bobo2bo32bo$5b3o10bo3b2o30b2o$5bo2b3o8bo$
8bo$5bo2bo$5bo2bo3bo$6b2o2b2obo$6bo7bo$7bobo$7bobo4bo$11b5o$14b2o2$10b
3o$10b3o2$9b2o$9bo!
...
Is there a corresponding c4d barberpole eater?

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 12th, 2023, 1:00 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
March 12th, 2023, 7:00 am
amling wrote:
March 9th, 2023, 3:17 pm
...

Just needed a new day, a fresh mind, and a few lucky branches:

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#C [[ TRACK -1/4 -1/4 ]]
x = 56, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bobo$15bo$18bo$17bobo$17bobo$9b3o5bo$9bo7bo$4b2o6b2o3bo3bo$4bo
bo3bo6bo3b2o$4bo5b2o4bo3bo$7bo4b3o9b2o$7b2o11bo3bobo$18b2obo$bo11b2o2b
o3bo4bobo$2o12bo6bo2bo$obo9bo7bo7bobo$4bo5b2o5b3o$3bo2bo2b2o2bo3bo3bob
o6bobo$3bo3bo2bo5bo4bobo$7b5o7bobo10bobo$9bo6bo2bo$6bobo6b2ob4o12bobo$
5bo8b2obo2b2o$4b2o2bo4b2o5b2o14bobo$3bo10bo5b2o$3bobob2o6b2o3b2o16bobo
$4bo2b2o4bob2o$7b3o2b5o6bo16bobo$12bo6b2ob2o$12bob2obo2bo21bobo$17bo3b
o$11b2o7b2obo20bobo$7b2o3bo2b4ob2o2bo$7bobo2b2obo7b3o20bobo$7bo6b2o2b
3o2b2o$10bo3b3o5b3o23bobo$10b3ob2o7bo$14bobobo3bo27bobo$16b2o4bo2bo$
10b3o3bobo2b2obo27bobo$10b3o4bobo2bo32bo$5b3o10bo3b2o30b2o$5bo2b3o8bo$
8bo$5bo2bo$5bo2bo3bo$6b2o2b2obo$6bo7bo$7bobo$7bobo4bo$11b5o$14b2o2$10b
3o$10b3o2$9b2o$9bo!
...
Is there a corresponding c4d barberpole eater?
I was not able to produce one. All four big successes with the technique that produced the stretcher (namely doing a high period search and looking for a slice that is a division of it, 4c/8 -> 2c/4, 2c/8d -> c/4d, etc.) have been b2f-like:

*) Quartermax. No real back found. The back I did find was found via full 4c/8 search, no period reduction involved.
*) Blocks-on-parallel. No back at all found.
*) Blocks-on-OWSS. The back I found I drew in golly by hand and guesswork before the period reduction searches got anywhere.
*) 2c/8d barberpole. No back at all found.

In all four cases a period reduction result would be interesting and I gave it somewhere between a modest effort and a severe one. My best theory is it needs a lot of luck in a little space and b2f searches provide more choices to make per unit space (which is why they're bushier and worse than f2b for bigger searches).

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 12th, 2023, 1:11 pm

LLSSS now allows wildcard trickery in input pictures, in some cases, in some places. This allows me to do something like make LLSSS "guess" an odd front corner of a fixed thickness for a 2c/5 perpendicular stripes greyship and continue them all s2s. E.g.:

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|  LLLLL12RRRRR |  LLLLL12RRRRR |  LLLLL12RRRRR | LLLLL12RRRRR  | LLLLL12RRRRR  |
|  .....aa*.*.* |  .....bb*.*.* |  .....cc*.*.* | .....dd.*.*.  | .....ee.*.*.  |
|  .....WW*.*.* |  .....WW*.*.* |  .....WW*.*.* | .....WW.*.*.  | .....WW.*.*.  |
|  .....aa*.*.* |  .....bb*.*.* |  .....cc*.*.* | .....dd.*.*.  | .....ee.*.*.  |
I had configured it to wildcard a-e but make them match up/down in a column and wildcard W normally. L, 1, 2, and R mark the "roots" for the recentering search.

I ran a bunch of similar searches (even/odd for various thicknesses, although odd is expensive so not very thick for that). I then took the most viable-looking front corners (i.e. the few that had survived the longest in the wildcard search) and searched them directly. Combined with ends that will notice the final rows being legal odd or even symmetry this could have found a double-symmetric level front, but sadly it did not work out.

The longest partials for each of the four best-looking initial corners I had chosen were:

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x = 227, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
bo2bo40bo2bo125bo50bo$bo2b3o36b3o2bo22bo27bo24bo36bo12bo50bo$3o5bo10b
3o6b3o10bo5b3o12b3o5b3o25b3o5b3o13bob3o32b3obo12bo15bo14bo15bo$o6b4o8b
obo6bobo8b4o6bo9bob2o7bo2bo5bo11bo5bo2bo7b2obo10bo2b2ob2o26b2ob2o2bo9b
o2bobo12bobo12bobo12bobo2bo$bob3o4b2o7bo2bo4bo2bo7b2o4b3obo10bobo3bo7b
o4b3o9b3o4bo7bo3bobo11bo6bo4b3o10b3o4bo6bo10b2o3b3o9bo3bo10bo3bo9b3o3b
2o$o2b2ob3o3bo7b2obo2bob2o7bo3b3ob2o2bo12b2obob4ob2ob2o3bo9bo3b2ob2ob
4obob2o13b6o2bo4bobo10bobo4bo2b6o10bo2bo2bo9bo3bo10bo3bo9bo2bo2bo$obo
5bobobo6bobob4obobo6bobobo5bobo9bob2o2b2o3bob2o2bob2o11b2obo2b2obo3b2o
2b2obo10bo8bo3bobo10bobo3bo8bo9b2o2b2o3bo4b2ob2o16b2ob2o4bo3b2o2b2o$o
4b3o4bo2b3obobo6bobob3o2bo4b3o4bo9bob2o3bobo7bobo13bobo7bobo3b2obo12b
2obo2b4o2bo12bo2b4o2bob2o20bo2b2obobo4bo8bo4bobob2o2bo$4obob2o6b2obob
10obob2o6b2obob4o9bo3b2obobobo2b2obobob2o7b2obobob2o2bobobob2o3bo13bo
7bob2o5b2o5b2obo7bo12bo4bo3bo2b2o3bo2bobo2bo2bo2bobo2bo3b2o2bo3bo4bo$
2b2obo2bo4b3o2bo12bo2b3o4bo2bob2o13bobo9bo2bo3bob2o3b2obo3bo2bo9bobo
15bo2b4o3bobo3b4o3bobo3b4o2bo15bobob2o4bobo3bobobobo2bobobobo3bobo4b2o
bobo$ob2ob4o3b2o3b16o3b2o3b4ob2obo11bo4b2ob4ob4o2bob2o3b2obo2b4ob4ob2o
4bo15b2obobob4obobobo2bobobob4obobob2o12b4obo7bo3b3obo2b2o2b2o2bob3o3b
o7bob4o$10bo28bo19bo2bo5bo9bobobo2bo2bobobo9bo5bo2bo10bo3bo3bo6bo10bo
6bo3bo3bo14b2o2b2obo28bob2o2b2o$12ob24ob12o9b20obo2b5o2bob20o10b16ob8o
b16o9b6o3b3ob28ob3o3b6o$82bo5bo$50o9b53o10b42o9b54o2$50o9b53o10b42o9b
54o2$50o9b53o10b42o9b54o2$50o9b53o10b42o9b54o2$50o9b53o10b42o9b54o2$
50o9b53o10b42o9b54o2$50o9b53o10b42o9b54o2$50o9b53o10b42o9b54o!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 12th, 2023, 1:25 pm

This c/4d wave with a repeatable middle dropped out of a completely unrelated search. I'm not sure I want to take the time to try to chase down two more edges and 4 distinct corners to make the agar ship:

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x = 120, y = 85, rule = B3/S23:T120,200-40
o$2o$2b4o$bo2bo2b2obo$3b3o2bo3bo$2o2bo3bo3b4o$o2b2o3bo4b4o$o3bo2b2obo
6b4o$o7bo3b3obo2bo2b2obo$2ob2o3bo3b2o4b3o2bo3bo$ob3o9b3o2bo3bo3b4o$bo
4b2obo2bob2o2b2o3bo4b4o$2o2bob2o6b2o3bo2b2obo6b4o$2obo3bo2b2o3bo7bo3b
3obo2bo2b2obo$b3o2b2o3bo3b2ob2o3bo3b2o4b3o2bo3bo$obo2b2o3bo4bob3o9b3o
2bo3bo3b4o$2o8bo5bo4b2obo2bob2o2b2o3bo4b4o$2bob2o3bo4b3o2bob2o6b2o3bo
2b2obo6b4o$b4o9b3obo3bo2b2o3bo7bo3b3obo2bo2b2obo$o4b2ob2o4bob3o2b2o3bo
3b2ob2o3bo3b2o4b3o2bo3bo$obobo2bo3bob3obo2b2o3bo4bob3o9b3o2bo3bo3b4o$o
bobobobo2bo3b2o8bo5bo4b2obo2bob2o2b2o3bo4b4o$3b2ob2o4b2o3bob2o3bo4b3o
2bob2o6b2o3bo2b2obo6b4o$3bo3bo2b2o4b4o9b3obo3bo2b2o3bo7bo3b3obo2bo2b2o
bo$3bo3bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o4bob3o2b2o3bo3b2ob2o3bo3b2o4b3o2bo3bo$bobobobobo
bobobobobo2bo3bob3obo2b2o3bo4bob3o9b3o2bo3bo3b4o$bobobobobobobobobobob
obo2bo3b2o8bo5bo4b2obo2bob2o2b2o3bo4b4o$2b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o4b2o3bob
2o3bo4b3o2bob2o6b2o3bo2b2obo6b4o$2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo2b2o4b4o9b3obo3bo2b
2o3bo7bo3b3obo2bo2b2obo$2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o4bob3o2b2o3bo3b
2ob2o3bo3b2o4b3o2bo3bo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3bob3obo
2b2o3bo4bob3o9b3o2bo3bo3b4o$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo
3b2o8bo5bo4b2obo2bob2o2b2o3bo4b4o$b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o4b
2o3bob2o3bo4b3o2bob2o6b2o3bo2b2obo6b4o$bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo2b
2o4b4o9b3obo3bo2b2o3bo7bo3b3obo2bo2b2obo$bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo4b2ob2o4bob3o2b2o3bo3b2ob2o3bo3b2o4b3o2bo3bo$bobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3bob3obo2b2o3bo4bob3o9b3o2bo3bo3b4o$
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3b2o8bo5bo4b
2obo2bob2o2b2o3bo4b4o$2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o
4b2o3bob2o3bo4b3o2bob2o6b2o3bo2b2obo6b4o$o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo2b2o4b4o9b3obo3bo2b2o3bo7bo3b3obo2bo2b2obo$o3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o4bob3o2b2o3bo3b2ob2o3bo3b2o4b3o
2bo3bo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bo2bo3bob3obo2b2o3bo4bob3o9b3o2bo3bo3b3o$o2b2obobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3b2o8bo5bo4b2obo2bob2o2b2o
3bo4b2o$7bo2b2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o4b2o3b
ob2o3bo4b3o2bob2o6b2o3bo2b2obo$o2bo4bo2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo2b2o4b4o9b3obo3bo2b2o3bo7bo3b3o$2bo4b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o4bob3o2b2o3bo3b2ob2o3bo3b2o$3b2o
3b5ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
o2bo3bob3obo2b2o3bo4bob3o9bo$6b2o3bo2b2o2b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3b2o8bo5bo4b2obo2bobo$10bo11b
o2b2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o4b2o3bob2o3bo4b
3o2bob2o6bo$10bo2bobo2bo4bo2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo2b2o4b4o9b3obo3bo2b2o$14bo2bo4b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o4bob3o2b2o3bo$18b2o3b5ob2obobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3bob3obo2b2o3bo$21b2o3bo
2b2o2b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bo2bo3b2o8bo$25bo11bo2b2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b
2ob2o4b2o3bob2o3bo4bo$25bo2bobo2bo4bo2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo2b2o4b4o9bo$29bo2bo4b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o4bo$33b2o3b5ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3bob2o$36b2o3bo2b2o2b2obobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$40bo11bo2b2o3b2o
b2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o4b2o$40bo2bobo2bo4bo2bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo2b2o$44bo2bo4b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$48b2o3b5ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$51b2o3bo2b2o2b2obobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$55bo11bo2b2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b
2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$55bo2bobo2bo4bo2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo$59bo2bo4b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$63b2o3b5ob2obobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$66b2o3bo2b2o2b2obobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobo$70bo11bo2b2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$
70bo2bobo2bo4bo2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$74bo2bo4b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo$78b2o3b5ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$81b2o3bo2b2o2b2obob
obobobobobobobobobobo$85bo11bo2b2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$85bo2bobo2bo4bo2bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo$89bo2bo4b3o5bo3bo3bo3bo$93b2o3b5ob2obobobobobobobo$96b2o3bo
2b2o2b2obobobobobo$100bo11bo2b2o$100bo2bobo2bo4bo2bo$104bo2bo4b3o$108b
2o3b5obo$111b2o3bo2bo$115bo$115bo2bo$119bo!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 12th, 2023, 10:07 pm

amling wrote:
May 5th, 2022, 12:05 pm
My s2s search for this stuff (2c/4 perpendicular front edge) last night barfed out a bunch of crap, including some cycles, the smallest of which is pretty small:

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x = 279, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
2bo273bo$b3o5b3o12bo5bo217bo5bo12b3o5b3o$2obo4bo2bo5b3o3b3o3b3o215b3o
3b3o3b3o5bo2bo4bob2o$3o4b3obo4bo2bo3bob2ob2obo215bob2ob2obo3bo2bo4bob
3o4b3o$3o2bo6bo3bo2bo4b3ob3o217b3ob3o4bo2bo3bo6bo2b3o$b2o5bo4bo4b4o2b
3o2b2o217b2o2b3o2b4o4bo4bo5b2o$7bo6bobobob2o2b3o225b3o2b2obobobo6bo$
14bobob2o2bo2b2o39b3o141b3o39b2o2bo2b2obobo$12b2o3bo2b2o2b3o5b3o24b3o
4bo2bo139bo2bo4b3o24b3o5b3o2b2o2bo3b2o$15b2o4b3o3b2o2bo2bo7b3o3b3o7bo
2bo4bo145bo4bo2bo7b3o3b3o7bo2bo2b2o3b3o4b2o$12b5o2b2o8bo5bo5bo2bo2bo2b
o10bo4bo145bo4bo10bo2bo2bo2bo5bo5bo8b2o2b5o$12bo6b2obo5b3o2b2o6bo3bo4b
o6bo3bo5bobo139bobo5bo3bo6bo4bo3bo6b2o2b3o5bob2o6bo$11b2o5b2o5b2o3b2ob
6ob2obo7bo4bo4bo155bo4bo4bo7bob2ob6ob2o3b2o5b2o5b2o$12bo2b4obo2bob2o2b
4o2bo2b2o2bo4bo2b2o2b2obo3bob2o6b3o131b3o6b2obo3bob2o2b2o2bo4bo2b2o2bo
2b4o2b2obo2bob4o2bo$13bo3bo6b2o5bo5b2o2bob2o2bo2b2o2b2obo3b2o2bo4bo2bo
131bo2bo4bo2b2o3bob2o2b2o2bo2b2obo2b2o5bo5b2o6bo3bo$7bo5b2o2bo9bob2o6b
5ob3o2bo4b2o2bo4bo10bo131bo10bo4bo2b2o4bo2b3ob5o6b2obo9bo2b2o5bo$6b3o
3b2ob2o19bob2o2bobo2bo8bo2b4o2bo7bo131bo7bo2b4o2bo8bo2bobo2b2obo19b2ob
2o3b3o$6bob2o2bobo20bo5bo2b2ob2o2b2o5b2o3b2ob3obobo133bobob3ob2o3b2o5b
2o2b2ob2o2bo5bo20bobo2b2obo$7b3o26bo2b2o4b2o4bo6bo2b2o4b2o141b2o4b2o2b
o6bo4b2o4b2o2bo26b3o$7b2ob2o4b2o16b2o3bo2bob2obo2bo4bo4bo157bo4bo4bo2b
ob2obo2bo3b2o16b2o4b2ob2o$16b2o16b4obobo5bob2o4b3o7b2o2bo139bo2b2o7b3o
4b2obo5bobob4o16b2o$16bo13bo6bobo3bobobo9bo6bo25b3o9b3o27b3o9b3o27b3o
9b3o25bo6bo9bobobo3bobo6bo13bo$15bo13b3o3b3obo2bo4b2ob2o5b6o6bo19bo2bo
9bo2bo25bo2bo9bo2bo25bo2bo9bo2bo19bo6b6o5b2ob2o4bo2bob3o3b3o13bo$12bo
16bob2o4b3o4bo3b5ob3o2bobo2bob3o3b3o3b3o8bo2bo9bo2bo8b3o3b3o8bo2bo9bo
2bo8b3o3b3o8bo2bo9bo2bo8b3o3b3o3b3obo2bobo2b3ob5o3bo4b3o4b2obo16bo$11b
3o2bo15bo4b3o3b2o4b2o2b2obo4b2o9bo2bobo2bo10b2o9b2o10bo2bobo2bo10b2o9b
2o10bo2bobo2bo10b2o9b2o10bo2bobo2bo9b2o4bob2o2b2o4b2o3b3o4bo15bo2b3o$
10b2o16b3o3bobobo3b3o14bob2o8bo3bobo4bo5b2o2b3o5b3o2b2o5bo4bobo4bo5b2o
2b3o5b3o2b2o5bo4bobo4bo5b2o2b3o5b3o2b2o5bo4bobo3bo8b2obo14b3o3bobobo3b
3o16b2o$9b2o2b2o13b4o3bo6b2o10bobo2bob2o5b6obobob4o6bo2bo2b2ob2o2bo2bo
6b4obobob4o6bo2bo2b2ob2o2bo2bo6b4obobob4o6bo2bo2b2ob2o2bo2bo6b4obobob
6o5b2obo2bobo10b2o6bo3b4o13b2o2b2o$8b2o19bo8bo14bo6b3o5bo6bobobo3b2ob
3o3bobo2bo2bobo3b3ob2o5bobobo3b2ob3o3bobo2bo2bobo3b3ob2o5bobobo3b2ob3o
3bobo2bo2bobo3b3ob2o3bobobo6bo5b3o6bo14bo8bo19b2o$9bo26b2o22b3o5b9ob6o
bobob3o2bob3obo2b3obobob8ob6obobob3o2bob3obo2b3obobob8ob6obobob3o2bob
3obo2b3obobob6ob9o5b3o22b2o26bo$8b2o25bo2bo22b2o22bo23bo17bo23bo17bo
23bo22b2o22bo2bo25b2o$6b2obob2o18b3ob4o29b17ob23ob17ob23ob17ob23ob17o
29b4ob3o18b2obob2o$7bobo2b2o16b2ob6o28bo143bo28b6ob2o16b2o2bobo$4b2obo
2bo2bo15b2o37b143o37b2o15bo2bo2bob2o$4b2obo5b2o14b2o39bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b
o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo39b2o14b2o5bob2o
$4bobo22b2o3bo3bo201bo3bo3b2o22bobo$3b2ob2o24b2o211b2o24b2ob2o$29bo
219bo$29b2ob3o209b3ob2o$28bo4bobo207bobo4bo$27bobo5b2o205b2o5bobo$34b
2o207b2o$28b2o4b2ob2o201b2ob2o4b2o$27b2ob2o215b2ob2o$27b5o4bo205bo4b5o
$28b3o217b3o$29bo219bo$29b2o217b2o2$29bo2b3o209b3o2bo$32bo2bo207bo2bo$
27b3o6bo205bo6b3o$28b2o6bo205bo6b2o$34bo209bo$35bobo203bobo$31b3obob2o
201b2obob3o$31bo3bobobo199bobobo3bo$37bob2o197b2obo$30b2o5bo3bo195bo3b
o5b2o2$37b2ob2o195b2ob2o!
The wave searches I've been running just noticed this somewhat simpler (although arguably just slightly deeper) version:

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x = 267, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
2bo261bo$b3o5b3o12bo5bo205bo5bo12b3o5b3o$2obo4bo2bo5b3o3b3o3b3o203b3o
3b3o3b3o5bo2bo4bob2o$3o4b3obo4bo2bo3bob2ob2obo203bob2ob2obo3bo2bo4bob
3o4b3o$3o2bo6bo3bo2bo4b3ob3o205b3ob3o4bo2bo3bo6bo2b3o$b2o5bo4bo4b4o2b
3o2b2o205b2o2b3o2b4o4bo4bo5b2o$7bo6bobobob2o2b3o213b3o2b2obobobo6bo$
14bobob2o2bo2b2o39b3o129b3o39b2o2bo2b2obobo$12b2o3bo2b2o2b3o5b3o24b3o
4bo2bo127bo2bo4b3o24b3o5b3o2b2o2bo3b2o$15b2o4b3o3b2o2bo2bo7b3o3b3o7bo
2bo4bo133bo4bo2bo7b3o3b3o7bo2bo2b2o3b3o4b2o$12b5o2b2o8bo5bo5bo2bo2bo2b
o10bo4bo133bo4bo10bo2bo2bo2bo5bo5bo8b2o2b5o$12bo6b2obo5b3o2b2o6bo3bo4b
o6bo3bo5bobo127bobo5bo3bo6bo4bo3bo6b2o2b3o5bob2o6bo$11b2o5b2o5b2o3b2ob
6ob2obo7bo4bo4bo143bo4bo4bo7bob2ob6ob2o3b2o5b2o5b2o$12bo2b4obo2bob2o2b
4o2bo2b2o2bo4bo2b2o2b2obo3bob2o6b3o119b3o6b2obo3bob2o2b2o2bo4bo2b2o2bo
2b4o2b2obo2bob4o2bo$13bo3bo6b2o5bo5b2o2bob2o2bo2b2o2b2obo3b2o2bo4bo2bo
119bo2bo4bo2b2o3bob2o2b2o2bo2b2obo2b2o5bo5b2o6bo3bo$7bo5b2o2bo9bob2o6b
5ob3o2bo4b2o2bo4bo10bo119bo10bo4bo2b2o4bo2b3ob5o6b2obo9bo2b2o5bo$6b3o
3b2ob2o19bob2o2bobo2bo8bo2b4o2bo7bo119bo7bo2b4o2bo8bo2bobo2b2obo19b2ob
2o3b3o$6bob2o2bobo20bo5bo2b2ob2o2b2o5b2o3b2ob3obobo121bobob3ob2o3b2o5b
2o2b2ob2o2bo5bo20bobo2b2obo$7b3o26bo2b2o4b2o4bo6bo2b2o4b2o129b2o4b2o2b
o6bo4b2o4b2o2bo26b3o$7b2ob2o4b2o16b2o3bo2bob2obo2bo4bo4bo145bo4bo4bo2b
ob2obo2bo3b2o16b2o4b2ob2o$16b2o16b4obobo5bob2o4b3o7b2o2bo127bo2b2o7b3o
4b2obo5bobob4o16b2o$16bo13bo6bobo3bobobo9bo6bo25b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b
3o9b3o9b3o25bo6bo9bobobo3bobo6bo13bo$15bo13b3o3b3obo2bo4b2ob2o5b6o6bo
19bo2bo9bo2bo7bo2bo9bo2bo7bo2bo9bo2bo7bo2bo9bo2bo19bo6b6o5b2ob2o4bo2bo
b3o3b3o13bo$12bo16bob2o4b3o4bo3b5ob3o2bobo2bob3o3b3o3b3o8bo2bo9bo2bo7b
o2bo9bo2bo7bo2bo9bo2bo7bo2bo9bo2bo8b3o3b3o3b3obo2bobo2b3ob5o3bo4b3o4b
2obo16bo$11b3o2bo15bo4b3o3b2o4b2o2b2obo4b2o9bo2bobo2bo10b2o9b2o11b2o9b
2o11b2o9b2o11b2o9b2o10bo2bobo2bo9b2o4bob2o2b2o4b2o3b3o4bo15bo2b3o$10b
2o16b3o3bobobo3b3o14bob2o8bo3bobo4bo5b2o2b3o5b3o2b2o5b2o2b3o5b3o2b2o5b
2o2b3o5b3o2b2o5b2o2b3o5b3o2b2o5bo4bobo3bo8b2obo14b3o3bobobo3b3o16b2o$
9b2o2b2o13b4o3bo6b2o10bobo2bob2o5b6obobob4o6bo2bo2b2ob2o2bo2bobo3bobo
2bo2b2ob2o2bo2bobo3bobo2bo2b2ob2o2bo2bobo3bobo2bo2b2ob2o2bo2bo6b4obobo
b6o5b2obo2bobo10b2o6bo3b4o13b2o2b2o$8b2o19bo8bo14bo6b3o5bo6bobobo3b2ob
3o3bobo2bo2bobo3b2obob2o3bobo2bo2bobo3b2obob2o3bobo2bo2bobo3b2obob2o3b
obo2bo2bobo3b3ob2o3bobobo6bo5b3o6bo14bo8bo19b2o$9bo26b2o22b3o3bob9ob6o
bobob3o2bob3obo2b3o3bo3b3o2bob3obo2b3o3bo3b3o2bob3obo2b3o3bo3b3o2bob3o
bo2b3obobob6ob9obo3b3o22b2o26bo$8b2o25bo2bo22b2o4bo17bo3bo15bobobobobo
15bobobobobo15bobobobobo19bo17bo4b2o22bo2bo25b2o$6b2obob2o18b3ob4o29b
17ob21obobob19obobob19obobob21ob17o29b4ob3o18b2obob2o$7bobo2b2o16b2ob
6o70bo23bo23bo70b6ob2o16b2o2bobo$4b2obo2bo2bo15b2o37b131o37b2o15bo2bo
2bob2o$4b2obo5b2o14b2o36bo131bo36b2o14b2o5bob2o$4bobo22b2o3bo3bo29b
131o29bo3bo3b2o22bobo$3b2ob2o24b2o36bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b
o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo36b2o24b2ob2o$29bo207bo$29b2ob3o197b3ob2o$28bo
4bobo195bobo4bo$27bobo5b2o193b2o5bobo$34b2o195b2o$28b2o4b2ob2o189b2ob
2o4b2o$27b2ob2o203b2ob2o$27b5o4bo193bo4b5o$28b3o205b3o$29bo207bo$29b2o
205b2o2$29bo2b3o197b3o2bo$32bo2bo195bo2bo$27b3o6bo193bo6b3o$28b2o6bo
193bo6b2o$34bo197bo$35bobo191bobo$31b3obob2o189b2obob3o$31bo3bobobo
187bobobo3bo$37bob2o185b2obo$30b2o5bo3bo183bo3bo5b2o2$37b2ob2o183b2ob
2o!
EDIT: And we don't even need that connecting component:

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x = 283, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
2bo277bo$b3o5b3o12bo5bo221bo5bo12b3o5b3o$2obo4bo2bo5b3o3b3o3b3o219b3o
3b3o3b3o5bo2bo4bob2o$3o4b3obo4bo2bo3bob2ob2obo219bob2ob2obo3bo2bo4bob
3o4b3o$3o2bo6bo3bo2bo4b3ob3o221b3ob3o4bo2bo3bo6bo2b3o$b2o5bo4bo4b4o2b
3o2b2o221b2o2b3o2b4o4bo4bo5b2o$7bo6bobobob2o2b3o229b3o2b2obobobo6bo$
14bobob2o2bo2b2o39b3o145b3o39b2o2bo2b2obobo$12b2o3bo2b2o2b3o5b3o24b3o
4bo2bo143bo2bo4b3o24b3o5b3o2b2o2bo3b2o$15b2o4b3o3b2o2bo2bo7b3o3b3o7bo
2bo4bo149bo4bo2bo7b3o3b3o7bo2bo2b2o3b3o4b2o$12b5o2b2o8bo5bo5bo2bo2bo2b
o10bo4bo149bo4bo10bo2bo2bo2bo5bo5bo8b2o2b5o$12bo6b2obo5b3o2b2o6bo3bo4b
o6bo3bo5bobo143bobo5bo3bo6bo4bo3bo6b2o2b3o5bob2o6bo$11b2o5b2o5b2o3b2ob
6ob2obo7bo4bo4bo159bo4bo4bo7bob2ob6ob2o3b2o5b2o5b2o$12bo2b4obo2bob2o2b
4o2bo2b2o2bo4bo2b2o2b2obo3bob2o6b3o135b3o6b2obo3bob2o2b2o2bo4bo2b2o2bo
2b4o2b2obo2bob4o2bo$13bo3bo6b2o5bo5b2o2bob2o2bo2b2o2b2obo3b2o2bo4bo2bo
135bo2bo4bo2b2o3bob2o2b2o2bo2b2obo2b2o5bo5b2o6bo3bo$7bo5b2o2bo9bob2o6b
5ob3o2bo4b2o2bo4bo10bo135bo10bo4bo2b2o4bo2b3ob5o6b2obo9bo2b2o5bo$6b3o
3b2ob2o19bob2o2bobo2bo8bo2b4o2bo7bo135bo7bo2b4o2bo8bo2bobo2b2obo19b2ob
2o3b3o$6bob2o2bobo20bo5bo2b2ob2o2b2o5b2o3b2ob3obobo137bobob3ob2o3b2o5b
2o2b2ob2o2bo5bo20bobo2b2obo$7b3o26bo2b2o4b2o4bo6bo2b2o4b2o145b2o4b2o2b
o6bo4b2o4b2o2bo26b3o$7b2ob2o4b2o16b2o3bo2bob2obo2bo4bo4bo161bo4bo4bo2b
ob2obo2bo3b2o16b2o4b2ob2o$16b2o16b4obobo5bob2o4b3o7b2o2bo5bo11bo11bo
11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo5bo2b2o7b3o4b2obo5bobob4o16b2o$16b
o13bo6bobo3bobobo9bo6bo9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b3o9b
3o9bo6bo9bobobo3bobo6bo13bo$15bo13b3o3b3obo2bo4b2ob2o5b6o6bo3b2o2bo7bo
2b2o7b2o2bo7bo2b2o7b2o2bo7bo2b2o7b2o2bo7bo2b2o7b2o2bo7bo2b2o7b2o2bo7bo
2b2o3bo6b6o5b2ob2o4bo2bob3o3b3o13bo$12bo16bob2o4b3o4bo3b5ob3o2bobo2bob
3o4b2obo9bob2o7b2obo9bob2o7b2obo9bob2o7b2obo9bob2o7b2obo9bob2o7b2obo9b
ob2o4b3obo2bobo2b3ob5o3bo4b3o4b2obo16bo$11b3o2bo15bo4b3o3b2o4b2o2b2obo
4b2o12b4o5b4o11b4o5b4o11b4o5b4o11b4o5b4o11b4o5b4o11b4o5b4o12b2o4bob2o
2b2o4b2o3b3o4bo15bo2b3o$10b2o16b3o3bobobo3b3o14bob2o8b2o3b3o5b3o3b2o3b
2o3b3o5b3o3b2o3b2o3b3o5b3o3b2o3b2o3b3o5b3o3b2o3b2o3b3o5b3o3b2o3b2o3b3o
5b3o3b2o8b2obo14b3o3bobobo3b3o16b2o$9b2o2b2o13b4o3bo6b2o10bobo2bob2o5b
4o2b2obob2ob2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2ob2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2ob2obob2o2b5o2b2ob
ob2ob2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2ob2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2ob2obob2o2b4o5b2obo2bobo
10b2o6bo3b4o13b2o2b2o$8b2o19bo8bo14bo6b3o5bo3bobo4bo3bo4bobo5bobo4bo3b
o4bobo5bobo4bo3bo4bobo5bobo4bo3bo4bobo5bobo4bo3bo4bobo5bobo4bo3bo4bobo
3bo5b3o6bo14bo8bo19b2o$9bo26b2o22b3o3bob4obob3obobobob3obob5obob3obobo
bob3obob5obob3obobobob3obob5obob3obobobob3obob5obob3obobobob3obob5obob
3obobobob3obob4obo3b3o22b2o26bo$8b2o25bo2bo22b2o4bo11bobobo19bobobo19b
obobo19bobobo19bobobo19bobobo11bo4b2o22bo2bo25b2o$6b2obob2o18b3ob4o29b
13ob23ob23ob23ob23ob23ob13o29b4ob3o18b2obob2o$7bobo2b2o16b2ob6o205b6ob
2o16b2o2bobo$4b2obo2bo2bo15b2o37b147o37b2o15bo2bo2bob2o$4b2obo5b2o14b
2o36bo147bo36b2o14b2o5bob2o$4bobo22b2o3bo3bo29b147o29bo3bo3b2o22bobo$
3b2ob2o24b2o35bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo35b2o24b2ob2o$29bo37bo147bo37bo$29b2ob3o32b2o145b
2o32b3ob2o$28bo4bobo211bobo4bo$27bobo5b2o209b2o5bobo$34b2o211b2o$28b2o
4b2ob2o205b2ob2o4b2o$27b2ob2o219b2ob2o$27b5o4bo209bo4b5o$28b3o221b3o$
29bo223bo$29b2o221b2o2$29bo2b3o213b3o2bo$32bo2bo211bo2bo$27b3o6bo209bo
6b3o$28b2o6bo209bo6b2o$34bo213bo$35bobo207bobo$31b3obob2o205b2obob3o$
31bo3bobobo203bobobo3bo$37bob2o201b2obo$30b2o5bo3bo199bo3bo5b2o2$37b2o
b2o199b2ob2o!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » March 13th, 2023, 5:26 am

amling wrote:
March 12th, 2023, 12:20 am
In preliminary searching f2b turn didn't look too hot
Did you try symmetric searches, or just the asymmetric search? I assume symmetric searches would be more likely to succeed in a case like this just as they're more likely to find spaceships in general.
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » March 13th, 2023, 7:05 am

Sokwe wrote:
March 13th, 2023, 5:26 am
amling wrote:
March 12th, 2023, 12:20 am
In preliminary searching f2b turn didn't look too hot
Did you try symmetric searches, or just the asymmetric search? I assume symmetric searches would be more likely to succeed in a case like this just as they're more likely to find spaceships in general.
What search do you refer to? The completion of the 3c/7o rake part?

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » March 13th, 2023, 7:11 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
March 13th, 2023, 7:05 am
Sokwe wrote:
March 13th, 2023, 5:26 am
amling wrote:
March 12th, 2023, 12:20 am
In preliminary searching f2b turn didn't look too hot
Did you try symmetric searches, or just the asymmetric search? I assume symmetric searches would be more likely to succeed in a case like this just as they're more likely to find spaceships in general.
What search do you refer to? The completion of the 3c/7o rake part?
I'm referring to the 3c/7 rake search. I think a symmetric central part, as in my original partial result, is more likely to be found at a lower width than an asymmetric solution.
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » March 15th, 2023, 10:31 am

I see a c/4d ant thrower and a c/5o ant catcher in jslife-moving but was surprised to find no c/5o ant thrower:

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#C [[ TRACK 0 -1/5 ]]
x = 179, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
16bo2bo$16bo2bo$16bo2b5ob2o$14b4o2bob2o3b2ob2o$14b2o2bo2bo5b2o3b2ob2o$
12b2o3bo7b2o5b2o3b2ob2o84b2o5b2o$6bo3b2o2bo3bo11b2o5b2o3b2ob2o71b4obob
obo5bobobob4o$4b2ob2o2b2o4b2ob2o13b2o5b2o3b2ob2o65b3obobob2obo3bob2obo
bob3o$4b3obo5b2obo2bo19b2o5b2o3b2ob2o60bo3bobo13bobo3bo$4bo4bo6b2o2bo
24b2o5b2o3b2ob2o56bob3o5b2ob2o5b3obo$3b3o12bo2b2o27b2o5b2o3b2ob2o51b2o
21b2o$4bo2bo11b4o32b2o5b2o3b2ob2o46b5o15b5o$7b2o11b3o3bo33b2o5b2o3b2ob
2o32bo4b2o5b2o15b2o$26b4o35b2o5b2o3b2ob2o26bo2bo2bobo$4b4o11b2obo7bo
39b2o5b2o3b2ob2o20bo3bo3bo$4b3o11bo3b2o3b2o46b2o5b2o3b2ob2o16bo3bo41bo
5b2o5b2o5bo$7bo14b2o4b2o50b2o5b2o3b2ob2o13b2o14bo3b2o11b3o6bo2b2ob2o2b
o3bo2b2ob2o2bo$18bo8b2o56b2o5b2o3b2ob2o10b2o4b3o5bob2obob3o2bo4b4o3b3o
4bobo3bobo3bobo4b3o$4b3obo9bobo7b2o60b2o5b2o3b2ob2obo7b2obobob2o4bobob
2o2bob2o5bo3b2o2bo2b3ob2o3b2ob3o2bo2b2o$4b4o9bobo7bo4b3o60b2o5b2o3b3o
3bobo3bo2bo2b5o4b2obo4b4obo2b3o2b3o4bo3bo4b3o2b3o$5bo11bo13b2obo65b2o
5bo3b2o3bob2o5b3o3b3o2bo6b4o4bobo2bo15bo2bobo$6b2o13bo6bo4bo71b2o10bo
2b2o9bo7bo2bo3bo5bo23bo$5bo2bo12bo7b5o86bo11b2o6bobo$4b2obo10b2o2bo7bo
3bo84b2o$18b2o7bo2b2o87b2o$4b3o11b2o6bob2obo$3bo2bo12b2o8bobo$4b4o2bo
7bobo5b2o2bo$6bo2bob2o5bo13b3o$7bo2bo6bo11bo$7b2o9bo11b5o$5bo4bo5b2o
12b2obo$6b2o3bo22b3o$12bo22b2o$7b2o2bo22bo2bo$5b3o27b2o$5bobo28b2o$5bo
2bo23b2o$5b3obo22b3o$5bo2bo23b3o$34b2o$33b2ob2o$36bo$4b5o25b2o$4bobobo
26bo$4b2ob2o25bo$4b2ob2o24bobo3bo$38bobo$b3o5b3o26bo2bo$3bo5bo28b2o$o
3bo3bo3bo21bo4bo2bo$o4bobo4bo21bobo2b3o$o11bo21b3o$5o3b5o23b4obo$42bo$
41bo$39bobo2bo$43b2o$42bo4b2o$43bobob3o$49bo$46b2o$46b2o2$48b3o$48bo$
47bo3bo$46bo4bo$51bo$47b5o!
EDIT: Some of the searches on the way had gotten gummed up by this wick, which I later solved separately:

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#C [[ TRACK 0 -1/5 ]]
x = 29, y = 201, rule = B3/S23
12b3o$11b3obo$10bo4bo4b3o$11b2ob2ob2obo$12b2o3b3o$7b3o3bob3o5bo$9bo3bo
bo3b2o2b2o$3b7o14b3o$2bo2bobo17b3o$5b2o15b2obobo2$5bo16b2o2bo$2b2o20bo
bo$2b2o23bo$b2o2b2o19bo$3b2o20bo$o2b2obo17b3o$b2o2bo$26bo$26bo$25bo$
26bo$26b2o$24b3o$23b3o$23bobob2o2$24bo2b2o$24bobo$23bo$24bo$25bo$24b3o
2$24bo$24bo$25bo$24bo$23b2o$24b3o$25b3o$22b2obobo2$22b2o2bo$24bobo$27b
o$26bo$25bo$24b3o2$26bo$26bo$25bo$26bo$26b2o$24b3o$23b3o$23bobob2o2$
24bo2b2o$24bobo$23bo$24bo$25bo$24b3o2$24bo$24bo$25bo$24bo$23b2o$24b3o$
25b3o$22b2obobo2$22b2o2bo$24bobo$27bo$26bo$25bo$24b3o2$26bo$26bo$25bo$
26bo$26b2o$24b3o$23b3o$23bobob2o2$24bo2b2o$24bobo$23bo$24bo$25bo$24b3o
2$22b2o$21bob4o$22b5o$27bo$27bo$22bobo2bo$21bobo$19bobo3b2o$25b2o$19b
2o$15b2obobo$13b2obob3o$15b2ob2o$17b3o2$16bo$15bo$14bobob2o$14bob2o$
15b3obo$18bobo$18b2o$17b2o$17bo$16bobo$15b3o$15b3o$15b2o$13bo$13bob2ob
o$15b2ob2o$16b2ob2o$17bobo$15bo2b2o$15bo2bo$15bobo$14b2o2bo$14b3o$15b
2o3bo$15b2o3bo$16bo3bo$14b2obobo$12b2o$14bob3o$13bobob2o$13bo$13bo$13b
o3b2o$14bob2obo$18bo$18b3o$19b2o2$20b2o3$17b6o$14bob8obo$13bo12bo$12bo
4bo4bo4bo$13bo3bo4bo3bo$16bobo2bobo$16bo2b2o2bo$12bo3bobo2bobo3bo$12b
2o12b2o$13b2o10b2o$13bo12bo$12bo14bo$12b3o10b3o$13bobo8bobo$17bo4bo$
13bo2b2o4b2o2bo$14b2o2bo2bo2b2o$16b2o4b2o$17bo4bo$14b2obob2obob2o$12b
3o10b3o$11b2ob3o6b3ob2o$14b2o2b4o2b2o$13b2o10b2o$18bo2bo$15bo2bo2bo2bo
$13b3o3b2o3b3o$13bo2bo6bo2bo$15b3o4b3o$17bo4bo$18bo2bo$16b3o2b3o$17b2o
2b2o2$15b2o6b2o$14b3o6b3o$13b3o3b2o3b3o$12b2o12b2o$15b3o4b3o$12b2obo8b
ob2o$13b2o10b2o$13bob10obo2$17bo4bo$17b6o$16bobo2bobo$17bo4bo!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by KtT » March 17th, 2023, 4:18 am

Does anyone know of a c/5 orthogonal spaceship that could complete these partial?

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x = 15, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b2o9b2o$2b2o9b2o$2bo10bo$o10bo$o11bo!

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