Soup search results

[calcyman]

One of my soups just made the 40 cell object again.

The omnibus has now appeared five times in the b3s23/C1 census:

http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/C1/xs40

[Scorbie]

I've never seen this unix variant before. Is it new?
http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp6 ... 1w33/b3s23
EDIT: a quadrant can be stabilized.

[praosylen]

This rather remarkable soup not only produces an unusual p3 oscillator; it also produces a temporary HWSS that at one point in time is the only active pattern in the entire soup. If the HWSS had escaped, The soup's score would be 42, higher than the current highest score in the Catagolue:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boboboobbooboobb$
ooooobooooobobbb$
bboboobbbbooooob$
obbbobbobobobooo$
bboooobbbooooooo$
obbboobobbbbbboo$
bbobboboobbbboob$
obbbbboooooobooo$
bobbbobboobboobo$
bbbbbooobooooooo$
oobooobooobboboo$
oooobobbobbobobb$
ooooobbobbbboooo$
bobbbboobboboobb$
bbboobobobooobbb$
ooobobobbbobobbo!

[calcyman]

This rather remarkable soup not only produces an unusual p3 oscillator; it also produces a temporary HWSS that at one point in time is the only active pattern in the entire soup.

Ahh, so now we have an incredibly inefficient glider synthesis for the p3, namely:

• Construct all the junk that exists at generation 780.
• Inject the HWSS.
• Delete everything that isn't the p3 oscillator.

It would be amusing if this is the only known synthesis for the p3.

[gameoflifeboy]

If the HWSS had escaped, The soup's score would be 42, higher than the current highest score in the Catagolue

I wonder what the highest score was before the Catagolue? I once found a score of 40 from two quadpole-on-ships in the same soup (from a symmetrical piece of junk hitting a fleet).

[Sphenocorona]

Here's a 9G synthesis for the 22 cell p3 (may be further reducible, I was simply trying to find a 2G cleanup of the recipe.):

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x = 58, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
23bo$24b2o2bo$23b2o2bo$27b3o11$22bobo$23b2o$23bo2$21b2o$bo18b2o$b2o11b
obo5bo$obo11b2o$15bo2$13b3o$15bo$14bo17$55b3o$55bo$56bo19$55b2o$55bobo
$55bo!

[simsim314]

Does this p6 known? (couldn't find it in wiki):

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$2bobo$2bob5o$2b2o2bo2bo$2bo4b3o$3o4bo$o2bo2b2o$b5obo$5bobo$5b2o!

EDIT This one also seems to be novel:

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x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
6bo$6bo$3b2o2bo$2bob2o$2b2ob2o2bo$3b2o2bo2b2o$2o2bo2b2o$2bo2b2ob2o$6b
2obo$4bo2b2o$5bo$5bo!

[Freywa]

The first one is in the Pentadecathlon catalogue as 24P6.1 and the second as 28P6.3.

[Sokwe]

@simsim314
The most comprehensive collection of known oscillators is in the "osc" folder of jslife, which can be downloaded from this page. I also made an attempt to collect some oscillators that weren't included in jslife. This supplemental collection can be found here. There are some more oscillators that have been found since, but unfortunately I haven't kept very good records of them.

[dvgrn]

I wonder what the highest score was before the Catagolue? I once found a score of 40 from two quadpole-on-ships in the same soup (from a symmetrical piece of junk hitting a fleet).

40 was about the highest I saw -- looks like I got four of those, if you count the two *WSS-on*WSS that showed up as 50's before they were added to the objects list. Saw one 39, and 38 was fairly common:

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#C 17M714179578 -- two large still lifes, score = 38
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2bo5b2ob2ob2o$2b2obob4obo2bo$2o3bo4b4obo$bo3bo7b3o$2o2bo3b2o2b2o$b2ob
3ob4obo$2o3bo2b2ob4o$6ob3o2b2obo$4obo2bo2b2obo$8o2bo2b2o$3o4b2o$2o2b2o
bo2b2o2b2o$3obo3b2obob2o$8b2ob3o$o2bo2b3ob5o$2b3ob3o2bo2bo!

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#C 11Mr8138703 -- two large symmetrical still lifes, score = 38
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2bo2bo2b3o$2o3bobo5bobo$2o2bob2o3b2o2bo$2o3b4o2bob2o$ob5ob2obo2b2o$3b
7o2b2o$3o2b2obo2b3obo$o4bo2bobob3o$6ob2o4b3o$4o4bobo2bobo$obob3o2bobob
2o$4b3o3b2obobo$b7o3bob2o$b4o2bo2bo3b2o$obo3bo2bobo3bo$o5bo4b2o!

I also have one reported 49 from apgsearch 0.5, but I don't see why it isn't just a 37:

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#C 11Md7004597 -- blocker, dock on pond, and southbound LWSS
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2b2o4bo6bo$2b2ob2obob2o$4obobobobo2b2o$ob2ob3obo2bo$o3b3o2b3o3bo$3b2o
4b4o2bo$b4ob2o2b3o$o3bo4bo$bo4b5ob3o$5o2bo5b3o$5bob2ob2ob2o$2bo3bo2b3o
2bo$ob2obob3obo3bo$b5o2b3o2b2o$o2b3o3bo4bo$2o3b2o2b3o2bo!

[praosylen]

I also have one reported 49 from apgsearch 0.5, but I don't see why it isn't just a 37:

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#C 11Md7004597 -- blocker, dock on pond, and southbound LWSS
RLE

If I'm not mistaken, blockers are worth 24, so the score would be 24 + 18 + 7 = 49.

On a different note, the highest scoring soups seem to have the longest lifespans of any I've seen. However, if long-lived soups are governed by the same object-frequency rules as short-lived ones, it leads me to suspect that there are plenty of 20000, 30000, and even maybe 40000-gen methuselahs that have already been discovered by apgsearch and gone unreported.

[flipper77]

One of Adam's soups in the D4_+2 symmetry found an x66:

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL ZOOM 4 LOOP 200 ]]
x = 32, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
4ob2obobo2b2o2b2o2bobob2ob4o$b4obo3bo2b6o2bo3bob4o$b5ob4o3b4o3b4ob5o$
3bob2o2bo3b6o3bo2b2obo$obo3bob2o2b2ob2ob2o2b2obo3bobo$2o2b4o2bobo6bobo
2b4o2b2o$b2ob2o3b4ob4ob4o3b2ob2o$2obob2ob4o8b4ob2obob2o$2b4ob2o3b8o3b
2ob4o$2b3o2b2obobobo2bobobob2o2b3o$2obobobobobob2o2b2obobobobobob2o$3b
o2bob3obo2b2o2bob3obo2bo$4b3o7b4o7b3o$2obob5obo2bo2bo2bob5obob2o$3ob2o
b3o12b3ob2ob3o$3bo11b2o11bo$3ob2ob3o12b3ob2ob3o$2obob5obo2bo2bo2bob5ob
ob2o$4b3o7b4o7b3o$3bo2bob3obo2b2o2bob3obo2bo$2obobobobobob2o2b2obobobo
bobob2o$2b3o2b2obobobo2bobobob2o2b3o$2b4ob2o3b8o3b2ob4o$2obob2ob4o8b4o
b2obob2o$b2ob2o3b4ob4ob4o3b2ob2o$2o2b4o2bobo6bobo2b4o2b2o$obo3bob2o2b
2ob2ob2o2b2obo3bobo$3bob2o2bo3b6o3bo2b2obo$b5ob4o3b4o3b4ob5o$b4obo3bo
2b6o2bo3bob4o$4ob2obobo2b2o2b2o2bobob2ob4o!

[praosylen]

One of Adam's soups in the D4_+2 symmetry found an x66.

This predecessor might yield at least a 13-glider synth, possibly less (maybe 4 for each tub predecessor, 5 for the edge-shoot prepulsar):

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x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
bo$ob2o$o2bo$4o2b2o$7b2o$6b3o$7b2o$4o2b2o$o2bo$ob2o$bo!

Unfortunately, I have never seen that tub predecessor occur naturally, so it might be hard to find a suitable synthesis (maybe bun + spark?).

[calcyman]

One of Adam's soups in the D4_+2 symmetry found an x66:

Wow.

[simsim314]

I think we should continue the fish theme. Something like Sailfish (the fastest fish in the world).

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I was collecting some oscillators that looked peculiar to me (I guess they are known - but still interesting):

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x = 247, y = 80, rule = B3/S23
78b2o4b2o30bo6bo$bo3bo37bo7bo26b2o4b2o30b2o4b2o29b3o6b3o68b2o6b2o$bo3b
o17bo3bo14bo3bobo3bo25bo2b2o2bo30b2o4b2o71b2o4b2o29bo2bo4bo2bo$bo3bo
17b5o15bo2bobo2bo26b8o31bo4bo28bo4bo4bo4bo27bo2bo2bo2bo28bobobo2bobobo
$25bo17bo2bobo2bo25b10o64bo3bobo2bobo3bo27bo3b2o3bo26b2ob2obo2bob2ob2o
$2bobo19bobo17bobobobo25bo10bo30b4o29bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo25b2o3bo2bo3b2o23b
o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo$2obob2o18bo18b2o3b2o21b5o10b5o18b3o4bo4bo4b3o23bo3bo
2bo3bo26bo4bo4bo4bo22bob2o10b2obo$7o16b5o44b2ob2o10b2ob2o19b3o2bo6bo2b
3o25b3o4b3o27bo3bo6bo3bo23bo14bo$bo3bo17bo3bo16b2o3b2o24b2o4b2o4b2o26b
o8bo30bo6bo29bobo8bobo25b3o8b3o$44bobobobo23b3o3bo2bo3b3o25bo8bo30bo6b
o30bo4b2o4bo$43bo2bobo2bo22b3o3bo2bo3b3o25bo8bo29b3o4b3o29bo4b2o4bo$
43bo2bobo2bo23b2o4b2o4b2o26bo8bo28bo3bo2bo3bo27bobo8bobo25b3o8b3o$42bo
3bobo3bo19b2ob2o10b2ob2o19b3o2bo6bo2b3o22bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo24bo3bo6bo3bo
23bo14bo$43bo7bo20b5o10b5o18b3o4bo4bo4b3o21bo3bobo2bobo3bo24bo4bo4bo4b
o22bob2o10b2obo$76bo10bo30b4o29bo4bo4bo4bo25b2o3bo2bo3b2o23bo2bo3bo2bo
3bo2bo$77b10o107bo3b2o3bo26b2ob2obo2bob2ob2o$78b8o31bo4bo30b3o6b3o29bo
2bo2bo2bo28bobobo2bobobo$78bo2b2o2bo30b2o4b2o71b2o4b2o29bo2bo4bo2bo$
78b2o4b2o30b2o4b2o109b2o6b2o$78b2o4b2o30bo6bo16$21bo10bo$21bobo6bobo$
22bobo4bobo$9b2o11bo2bo2bo2bo11b2o$9b2o11bobo4bobo11b2o$21bobo6bobo$
21bo4b2o4bo$25bo2bo$26b2o14$60bo2bob2obo2bo$59b2o2bo4bo2b2o3bo$60bo2bo
b2obo2bo3b2o$74bo2bo$75b2obo$77bob2o$77bobo$22bo12bo42bo$22bo12bo$21b
3o10b3o43bo$79b3o2$21b3o4b2o4b3o$22bo5b2o5bo43b3o$22bo12bo$22bo12bo43b
obo$22bo5b2o5bo43bobo$21b3o4b2o4b3o$79b3o2$21b3o10b3o$22bo12bo43b3o$
22bo12bo44bo!

[chris_c]

One of Adam's soups in the D4_+2 symmetry found an x66.

This predecessor might yield at least a 13-glider synth, possibly less (maybe 4 for each tub predecessor, 5 for the edge-shoot prepulsar):

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x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
bo$ob2o$o2bo$4o2b2o$7b2o$6b3o$7b2o$4o2b2o$o2bo$ob2o$bo!

Unfortunately, I have never seen that tub predecessor occur naturally, so it might be hard to find a suitable synthesis (maybe bun + spark?).

Here is a 13 glider synthesis:

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x = 38, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
18bo$19b2o$18b2o3$18bo$19bo$17b3o2$29bobo$29b2o4bo$13bo16bo4bobo$11bob
o21b2o$12b2o3$15bo$16bo$14b3o3$16b3o$18bo$6b2o9bo$5bobo$7bo3$35b2o$30b
o4bobo$29b2o4bo$29bobo2$17b3o$19bo$18bo3$18b2o$19b2o$18bo2$2o$b2o$o!

Still hoping that a 4 glider solution will turn up for the backend. I couldn't find any way to make either of the front halves in 3 gliders though.

EDIT: Still 13 gliders but this one is nice and neat:

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x = 29, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
16bobo$17b2o$17bo$9bo$10b2o$9b2o6bo$15bobo$16b2o$22bo$9bo10b2o5bo$10b
2o9b2o3bo$9b2o15b3o7$9b2o$10b2o$9bo$26b3o$21b2o3bo$bo18b2o5bo$b2o19bo$
obo3bo9b2o$6b2o7bobo$5bobo9bo3$17bo$17b2o$16bobo!

EDIT2: So is anybody mad enough to build a p66 X66 gun?

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x = 62, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
16bo$17b2o$16b2o2$8bobo$9b2o5bo$9bo7bo$15b3o2$53bobo$8bobo42b2o4bo$9b
2o43bo4bobo$9bo49b2o5$32bobo$33b2o$33bo$25bo$26b2o$25b2o6bo$31bobo$32b
2o$38bo$25bo10b2o5bo$26b2o9b2o3bo$25b2o15b3o7$25b2o$26b2o$25bo$42b3o$
37b2o3bo$17bo18b2o5bo$17b2o19bo$16bobo3bo9b2o$22b2o7bobo$21bobo9bo3$
33bo$33b2o$32bobo2$9bo$9b2o$8bobo$59b2o$54bo4bobo$53b2o4bo$2o51bobo$b
2o$o4b2o8b3o$6b2o9bo$5bo10bo3$16b2o$17b2o$16bo!

[flipper77]

Here is a 13 glider synthesis:

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x = 38, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
18bo$19b2o$18b2o3$18bo$19bo$17b3o2$29bobo$29b2o4bo$13bo16bo4bobo$11bob
o21b2o$12b2o3$15bo$16bo$14b3o3$16b3o$18bo$6b2o9bo$5bobo$7bo3$35b2o$30b
o4bobo$29b2o4bo$29bobo2$17b3o$19bo$18bo3$18b2o$19b2o$18bo2$2o$b2o$o!

This is quite a reduction from 166 gliders for x66 (I guess that means x = 1? ), which goes to show that even symmetrical soups can still improve glider syntheses of life objects.

Once again, one of Adam's soups from the same census generates another spaceship, this time it's an object I've encountered once before in this very thread:

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL ZOOM 4 LOOP 200 ]]
x = 32, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
ob2obo5bobob2obobo5bob2obo$obobo2bo2b3o2b2o2b3o2bo2bobobo$2b2obobo2bo
2bo4bo2bo2bobob2o$bobo2b20o2bobo$obo2bobo3bo8bo3bobo2bobo$2o3b3o2bobo
6bobo2b3o3b2o$3b2o2bo2b3o2b2o2b3o2bo2b2o$5bob7o4b7obo$obob3o3bob2o4b2o
bo3b3obobo$o4b3o2b3o2b2o2b3o2b3o4bo$2b3ob6o8b6ob3o$3o2b4o3b2ob2ob2o3b
4o2b3o$4o2bo2bo3bo4bo3bo2bo2b4o$5o2b3ob4o2b4ob3o2b5o$ob2o2bob7o2b7obo
2b2obo$ob2o2bo3b2o2b4o2b2o3bo2b2obo$ob2o2bob7o2b7obo2b2obo$5o2b3ob4o2b
4ob3o2b5o$4o2bo2bo3bo4bo3bo2bo2b4o$3o2b4o3b2ob2ob2o3b4o2b3o$2b3ob6o8b
6ob3o$o4b3o2b3o2b2o2b3o2b3o4bo$obob3o3bob2o4b2obo3b3obobo$5bob7o4b7obo
$3b2o2bo2b3o2b2o2b3o2bo2b2o$2o3b3o2bobo6bobo2b3o3b2o$obo2bobo3bo8bo3bo
bo2bobo$bobo2b20o2bobo$2b2obobo2bo2bo4bo2bo2bobob2o$obobo2bo2b3o2b2o2b
3o2bo2bobobo$ob2obo5bobob2obobo5bob2obo!

[gameoflifeboy]

There is now a bi-pentadecathlon in B3S23/C1.

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#C [[ THEME 4 LOOP 750 AUTOSTART X 35 Y -40 ZOOM 4.44 ]]
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obobbbbbooobbooo$
booobbbbbobooobb$
bobobbooobbbbobo$
oobbbboooooobooo$
bbbobobbbboobbbb$
boooboooooboboob$
booboobooboobbbb$
obboooboobobobob$
bbbobbbboooooboo$
bbbboooboobobbbb$
ooobbooobbbbbobb$
booboobbboobbobb$
bobobbobboooobbb$
ooboboobbobooooo$
oooobboobboooobo$
obobbboobbbboboo!

[Scorbie]

@Simsim Yep, it is interesting to know that they occur naturally!

@Calcyman @chris_c Congrats for the discovery and synthesis! Never thought that would come out. I think that is the first pattern-found-by-a-search-program that is rediscovered naturally!

[Sokwe]

This particular x66 predecessor has the advantage that the halves are constructed separately. This allows for the construction of the HWSS-supported variant:

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x = 24, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
11bobo$12b2o$12bo3$12bo$10bobo$3bo7b2o$bobo13bo$2b2o11b2o5bo$16b2o3bo$
21b3o3$7bo$8bo$6b3o6$bo$b2o$obo$21b2o$20b2o$16b2o4bo$15b2o$17bo!

[flipper77]

My latest haul in the D4_+1 symmetry has found a lightweight schick engine, and it takes ~60 ticks to emerge, which is more time than I expected. I'm really enjoying these symmetric search results that have been turning up.

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL ZOOM 4 LOOP 240 THEME 4 ]]
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
4o3bo2b3o5b3o2bo3b4o$b3ob2ob3o2bobobo2b3ob2ob3o$4bobo4b2o5b2o4bobo$3b
2ob19ob2o$bo3bob3obo2bobo2bob3obo3bo$obobo3b2o2b7o2b2o3bobobo$obobo2b
2ob2o2bobo2b2ob2o2bobobo$bo2bo3bo2b2ob3ob2o2bo3bo2bo$bo2bobo3bob2obob
2obo3bobo2bo$3b2obo2bo3b2ob2o3bo2bob2o$o2bo3bo2bob3ob3obo2bo3bo2bo$2o
6bob3o5b3obo6b2o$b2ob2o4b2obo3bob2o4b2ob2o$ob4obobobo2b3o2bobobob4obo$
o2bob2obob2o2b3o2b2obob2obo2bo$b4o2b2obo9bob2o2b4o$o2bob2obob2o2b3o2b
2obob2obo2bo$ob4obobobo2b3o2bobobob4obo$b2ob2o4b2obo3bob2o4b2ob2o$2o6b
ob3o5b3obo6b2o$o2bo3bo2bob3ob3obo2bo3bo2bo$3b2obo2bo3b2ob2o3bo2bob2o$b
o2bobo3bob2obob2obo3bobo2bo$bo2bo3bo2b2ob3ob2o2bo3bo2bo$obobo2b2ob2o2b
obo2b2ob2o2bobobo$obobo3b2o2b7o2b2o3bobobo$bo3bob3obo2bobo2bob3obo3bo$
3b2ob19ob2o$4bobo4b2o5b2o4bobo$b3ob2ob3o2bobobo2b3ob2ob3o$4o3bo2b3o5b
3o2bo3b4o!

[biggiemac]

Junk + two blinkers produces the rarest 11-bit SL on catagolue AND a HWSS. Odd.

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART THEME 4 X 5 Y -4 LOOP 280 ZOOM 10 ]]
x = 12, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bo2bo$8bobo$3o4bobo$8bo$6b3o$7bo$6bo$6bo15$6b3o!

Edit: finally figuring out the whole viewer thing..

[gameoflifeboy]

A fumarole just occurred in B3S23/C1:

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL THEME 4 ZOOM 12 ]]
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbobobbbbboooboo$
booboobbbooooboo$
ooboobbobboboobo$
ooooobboobbbobbb$
obooooobboboobbo$
oobooooobbbboooo$
obbbbobbobbobbob$
obobobbooboooobb$
bboboooobobbbbob$
boobobooooooobbb$
oooboboobobbobbo$
oobbboooboobooob$
boobbooobbbobbob$
obbbooobbboboobo$
booooboooobboooo$
oooooobboooooooo!

[dvgrn]

A fumarole just occurred in B3S23/C1...

Same mechanism as previous fumaroles from recent soup searches -- all three converge to this reaction within a few ticks:

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#C [[ AUTOSTART THUMBNAIL GPS 2 ZOOM 19 THEME 0 ]]
x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$2o$2o6bo$7bobo$6bo2bo$7b2o$10bo$2o$2o!

I don't remember if the confused two-headed spaceship has a name, but even if it's constructible with three gliders, it doesn't look like this will lead to any improvement on the current-best 7-glider fumarole synthesis. Just a few too many blocks and things to build and (mostly) clean up.

[gameoflifeboy]

The two-headed spaceship reminds me of something they were talking about in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=717&p=5017