Thread for your miscellaneous posts and discussions

[b-engine]

You doubleposted.

I've seen Rowett multiposting in the thread for a long time. Do you need to be that serious?

[confocaloid]

You doubleposted.

I've seen Rowett multiposting in the thread for a long time. Do you need to be that serious?

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... I watched CA enthusiasts quintuple-posting in forum threads.

More seriously,

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3. In order to keep the forums organized, please:

1. Do not post multiple messages consecutively in the same topic. If your message is the most recent one in a topic, simply edit it if you have additional things to add.
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[Citation needed]

You need to download LifeViewer once (it will prompt you) and that does require an internet connection.

After that no internet connection is needed.

I'm afraid that LifeViewer is not freeware.

LifeViewer is open source and free.

If I remember correctly, it didn't use to be open source.

[wwei47]

xs22_0mp3qik8z12452 in 17G from soup

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x = 128, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
5bo$3bobo12bobo$4b2o13b2o$19bo$14bo$15bo105b2o$13b3o104bo2bo$121bobo$
122bo3$125b3o$125bo$107b2o17bo$106bob3o$106bo4bo$107bobo2bo$106b2ob3o
$105bo2bo$99b2o5bo2bo$98bo2bo5b2o$61bo37b2o$61bobo$61b2o2$92b3o$94bo$
93bo2$34b2o$33bobo22b2o$35bo6bo15bobo$41bo16bo$18b2o21b3o7bo$19b2o9bo
19b2o$18bo11b2o18bobo$9b3o17bobo87b2o$b2o8bo106bobo$obo7bo108bo$2bo2$
123b3o$123bo$124bo3$48b3o$48bo$49bo2$41b2o$40b2o$42bo!

Welcome back! It's been a few years. I have no idea how I managed to post this in "Pattern viewer for forum threads".

[b-engine]

Here're the "new" patterns/rules that aren't notable
In Life:

• A spaceship colliding towards something then makes only uninteresting common junks. (In some rules this may be a SMOS or SMOI)

• A c/2 puffer by combining a known engine with a xWSS.

• A 1-cell thick solid line, not matter how long is it. (In some (EDIT: multistate) rules they're spaceships)

• A scribble. (In some rules they mostly turn into a common interesting object.)

In OCA this also includes:

• An explosive or very stable rule with no interesting objects. (Others including me had found some rules with a very common unusual object)

• A random puffer or rake or an explosion generator in a Generations rule.

• A spaceship or wickstretcher with arbitrary extensible length but not speed.

• A random common object from a big soup.

[confocaloid]

A 1-cell thick line, not matter how long is it. (In some rules they're spaceships)

A 1-by-N rectangle of alive cells can only be a spaceship in a non-isotropic (edit: or multistate with more than one "alive" cellstate) CA.
If "holes" are allowed, then a 1-cell-thick pattern can be notable (in CGoL or in other CA).
See for example viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2040 "How about a unidimensional spaceship?", as well as other 1-cell-thick patterns exhibiting interesting evolution.

[Citation needed]

What is the default "generations per second" on LifeViewer or Golly?

The default is either 60 or the FPS of your device.
By the way, this isn't related to conwaylife.com.

Thank you.

[b-engine]

census/b34zs23/ror_stdin_test_2024_08/xp44:

Although this seems offtopic at first, it's actually on topic as all patterns in the codebox work in B3/S23.

[b-engine]

If I remember correctly, it didn't use to be open source.

Yes, it's source is not used to be open. Prove:

...
The project is now open source and I'm happy to help motivated individuals get involved.
...

[hotdogPi]

I figure it's safe to post if the link isn't clickable. (If you saw a text message conversation, that was not supposed to be seen; I uploaded the wrong image for a few seconds.)

[confocaloid]

This p12 oscillator is, quite literally, a traffic light hassler. It hassles the traffic light constellation, rather than a predecessor.

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x = 19, y = 19, rule = B3/S23-q
6b2o3b2o$6bobobobo$8bobo$7b2ob2o3$2o6b3o6b2o$o2bo11bo2bo$b3o2bo5bo2b3o
$6bo5bo$b3o2bo5bo2b3o$o2bo11bo2bo$2o6b3o6b2o3$7b2ob2o$8bobo$6bobobobo
$6b2o3b2o!

[b-engine]

Absolutely true -- for the moment, anyway. That might change.

Note: A wider compatibility is far better than narrower compatibility just for another software.
I'm against the action to disable "xrule" headers, since this also make typos like "xx" to not work and gives an unrelated error:

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xx = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
!

Why some minor typos can't be tolerated?

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89...12...

I made these threads not because I've seen the success of Grounded Life, but rather because I don't know the purpose of the thread Miscellaneous Discoveries in OCA.

[confocaloid]

Absolutely true -- for the moment, anyway. That might change.

Note: A wider compatibility is far better than narrower compatibility just for another software.
I'm against the action to disable "xrule" headers, since this also make typos like "xx" to not work and gives an unrelated error:

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xx = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
!

Why some minor typos can't be tolerated?

Wider compatibility is only possible, if there are well-defined, sufficiently simple, strict rules. A file format or a naming convention should be well-defined; it should be clear what is correct and what isn't. If there are too many weird special cases to cover, it becomes too hard to write an independent reimplementation (which would have to deal with all the weird special cases).

Neither "xrule" nor "xx" is a good idea. They give an error, because they should give an error. Likewise, "minor typos" should give an error.

Special characters in @RULE filenames are also a bad idea, since they increase risk of problems with compatibility across different systems, and they limit future possibilities for new rulestring notations / algorithms. Just Latin letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens are sufficient.

[H. H. P. M. P. Cole]

[lengthy rant]
I was in the ConwayLife Discord for a while and now I'm planning to leave it.

Why?

Long story short, I was being ostracized for my beliefs. The ConwayLife Lounge server, in my experience, is very, very toxic.

To Moosey: I don’t really care when you want us to refer to you as “they/them” outside your personal server. Why? Two reasons. Firstly, in Modern English, they and them are plural pronouns. For example, we say “they spilled the wine on the floor”. However, you Gen Zed folks are bastardizing the English language to such a point where it becomes acceptable to say “they spilled the wine on the floor” and refer to a singular person. It is almost, if not more unacceptable than saying “it spilled the wine on the floor” while referring to a person. Do we use it/its to refer to a person? Absolutely not in proper Modern English (I am not sure if you Gen Zed people use it/its to refer to a person). Secondly, in animal biology, there are only two genders, male and female. If animals had pronouns, they would refer to themselves as either he/him or she/her. Would a male animal refer to itself as she/her? Absolutely not, unless said animal has a mental disorder. The same goes for humans. As far as I know, you humans are the first Earth species I have seen to artificially change their genders. If we can use this innovative power to do that, why don’t we use this power for something more productive, like going to Mars and setting up a colony there? If you Gen Zed folks are not ruining this Earth, changing your own gender and using linguistically and biologically wrong pronouns, then you humans would be setting up space habitats by now. (Sorry if I sound like an alien from Proxima Centauri.)

The above message in my server caused me to be called transphobic and nb-phobic by the mods of the ConwayLife Lounge. I didn't even bother adding theological arguments in my religion (Christianity). In reality these two words, 'transphobic', and 'nb-phobic' are a crass and extremely inaccurate oversimplification of who I am. In reality, I am neither of these things.

Recently, their anti-Cole activities have increased to the point where Moosey made a comic strip making fun of me. She portrayed me (the way I see it) as a Catholic (given the bishop hat) when I am, in fact, a Methodist. What's even worse, to me, is that at least three other people (DroneBetter, bubblegum, and KittyTac) seemed to approve this comic. The comic is just below this paragraph:

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In my opinion, the recently-booted-up #jail system is very bad, and only encourages others to be more toxic, in that the mods can insult the muted users in other channels. This, I believe, is highly unfair.

In addition, bubblegum/sonata has created at least two jokes about the Christian God in the #jail channel:

god, frustrated with the kitchen-related events, furiously goes to take a walk

where even is this "vain" i'm hearing about and why is everyone there so afraid of god's name

And I think it is useless to report these posts (in the Discord) now (due to their nature). Why? Because most of the mods and the admin of the server seem to be anti-Cole (and they most likely might not take my reports seriously).

I would like the mods of the Forums to see this post. The mods of the Discord, to me, seem like immature young adults who may care a thing or two about which pronouns others use for them, but absolutely don't care when another person's religion is insulted by them.
[/lengthy rant]

[azulavoir]

you can change your religion but not your gender. simple as that. it's more okay to attack people for choices they've made than it is to attack them for fundamental traits.

[confocaloid]

Sometimes it is unnecessary to actually attempt to do something to be able to know that it's a bad idea.

[DroneBetter]

Cole,

I am also present in the jail channel (and was the first, ever since it was introduced after wwei pointed out that a ban is tantamount to being unable to read the forums (or in many ways worse, since many things (ie. recently Silk development) are shared in much more detail there)). We will not discuss the events of a bygone year that led to my enjailment under any circumstances (and I recommend you do not bring things from there to here), however I think I am in a unique situation to respond to you, as an observer unaffiliated with either party.
Allowing jailees to see the complete history of the lounge and share things (through moderators) is the jail's only purpose, and to that end it has been useful for me (ie. in various OCA spaceship search status pages, I have cited it extensively for earlier instances of or strengthenings of my results).

Preceding your ban, you were invited to moosey's server (the musiserver) on account of your shared interests (ie. in music, albeit neo-classical on her part and xenharmonic (and irrational-ratio-based) on yours), then to mine (DroneLambda), bypassing the usual voting process on the basis of being a fellow slightly eccentric wiki editor, and behaved poorly in both of these (explaining in detail why you believed transgender people would be condemned to hell, something you continued to say after multiple moderators in the jail explained that the Bible doesn't condemn trans people explicitly and most reasonable interpretations are not mutually inclusive with transphobia, and that various parts were consequences of mistranslations (ie. "thou [as a man] shalt not lie with another man" coming from the Hebrew->Greek translation, the other man originally being a boy, for which the Greeks didn't have a word)).

At the time when moosey went by she/her in her own server and they/them outside it, you explained this to members of your (now-deleted) server (myself included), your outing causing moosey to come out to the lounge. When you learned that moosey was trans, you asked whether she was "a man who became a woman by choice or a woman who became a man by choice" and said to a photograph of me "Finally a Drone face reveal (you look like a man with long hair)," among other things I will refrain from repeating here.

You seem to have consistently approached other people's reactions to your behaviour as wholly unexpected and irrational on their parts, and framed claims of changing as acts of benevolence on your part while insisting they were unnecessary.
You have made many conflicting claims (that you're a university student, that various messages were sent by your younger brother when he got access to one of your computers, that you were hacked, that you did something because your mother instructed you to do it, and that you are an adult with children of your own), and your maturity, interests and knowledge do not align with that of a first-year math undergrad as you have purported to be.

You have also said

i know a lot of people that have "gave in" to the trans community and i am literally for some reason trying my hardest not to be trans even though not being trans is super easy, no offense to the people that "gave in"

and have referred to the notion as a "temptation" multiple times.

Given your purported belief that all non-Christians who have at least once been exposed to Christianity but refused it are condemned to hell, your impromptu use of Bible quotes in response to criticism, and your claims to have explained the sequence of events that led to your ban to your pastor who said you were in the right, I don't believe you take it in good faith but see it as a tool to justify yourself and claim moral superiority over all instances of blasphemy (ie. invocation of the word 'god').

You are a good researcher and are interested in and curious about many things, please don't dig yourself any deeper than necessary.

[KittyTac]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[confocaloid]

What I don't quite understand, is how any of this is related to the scope of this website (Conway's Life and other cellular automata).

I mean, I don't really care about details of your personal life, or about your beliefs regarding topics unrelated to exploring cellular automata, or about your choices, or about your non-choices. I'm here to explore and discuss CA topics, share whatever I find and believe to be interesting enough to share, and look at things shared by other people.

Can you please explain the reasons why the linked post is (until this discussion) the only search result for search.php?keywords=Darcy on these forums, and the wiki page Darren Li doesn't appear to mention anything relevant?

The only other place where I saw the same name is your wiki edit summary in https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=143314 (again coming from someone other than the affected person).

It doesn't feel a particularly bright idea to discuss other people's life (instead of letting them provide details they are willing to provide, and leave it at that).

[very]

It is known among the wise.

[DroneBetter]

What I don't quite understand, is how any of this is related to the scope of this website (Conway's Life and other cellular automata).

well, Cole decided to give an account of events which omitted various parts, and invoked my name, and the sandbox is not strictly CA-focused like elsewhere (and this is a negligible proportion of the non-CA-related posts, due to some particular users who shall not be named)

Can you please explain the reasons why the linked post is (until this discussion) the only search result for search.php?keywords=Darcy on these forums, and the wiki page Darren Li doesn't appear to mention anything relevant?

The only other place where I saw the same name is your wiki edit summary in https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=143314 (again coming from someone other than the affected person).

It doesn't feel a particularly bright idea to discuss other people's life (instead of letting them provide details they are willing to provide, and leave it at that).

the naming of them as that was entirely at their behest (their gender is very mysterious)

[Moosey]

[lengthy rant]
I was in the ConwayLife Discord for a while and now I'm planning to leave it.

You know, taking this drama here is a good way to get yourself banned here too.

In reality, I am neither [transphobic nor nb-phobic].

cole, you literally asked me, and I quote,

I just want to ask you, a person in the LGBT community: how do I make my belief that there are only two genders sound less offensive?

I think this speaks for itself. Honestly your self-quotation speaks for itself.

In my opinion, the recently-booted-up #jail system is very bad, and only encourages others to be more toxic, in that the mods can insult the muted users in other channels. This, I believe, is highly unfair.

yeah, there are quite a few problems with #jail. However, people might insult other people behind their backs whether a #jail channel exists or not.

Recently, their anti-Cole activities have increased to the point where Moosey made a comic strip making fun of me.

you pinged me, kittytac, and sonata to say "Screw all of you. SCREW ALL OF YOU!!!!!!" because... we were discussing that the bible doesn't explicitly condemn homosexuality, or something? I'm not sure, it's not very clear what motivated you to say it and it was kind of out of nowhere.
I drew the comic because I liked the double meaning.
My apologies if I hurt your feelings, I didn't intend to make fun of you as much as depict a humorous situation. Also, sorry for misrepresenting your faith; my intent was not to suggest you were a specific denomination that you were not as much as to give you a hat recognizably associated with christianity.

At the time when moosey went by she/her in her own server and they/them outside it, you explained this to members of your (now-deleted) server (myself included), your outing causing moosey to come out to the lounge.

I should mention that:

• there was a deliberately stated rule in my server not to do this kind of thing,
• I had explained to cole once not to do this kind of thing when he mentioned my gender in passing in the lounge (which I quickly deleted)
• when he was pressed (by various users) to please at least give some sort of apology for outing me, he: initially denied that he had done anything wrong; eventually made a perfunctory effort to make the message that outed me not do that, which his quick edit failed to actually accomplish; and ultimately posted the whole "To Moosey: I don’t really care when you want us to refer to you as “they/them” outside your personal server." thing rather than apologizing.

i know a lot of people that have "gave in" to the trans community and i am literally for some reason trying my hardest not to be trans even though not being trans is super easy, no offense to the people that "gave in"

@drone just to keep to the facts: this was a different user actually

[Heav]

In reality these two words, 'transphobic', and 'nb-phobic' are a crass and extremely inaccurate oversimplification of who I am. In reality, I am neither of these things.

you know, saying you're not doing things doesn't exempt you from doing them. you need to actually not do them.

it's quite absurd how you've managed to not listen to literally anyone about what you're doing. you've only ever phrased your actions as if everyone's in the wrong for reacting to them, even going as far as to ask how to make your bigotry sound less offensive. that is not something someone who "isn't transphobic" does. if you want us to stop saying that, stop acting it.

[get_Snacked]

Cole,
...
You have also said

i know a lot of people that have "gave in" to the trans community and i am literally for some reason trying my hardest not to be trans even though not being trans is super easy, no offense to the people that "gave in"

@drone just to keep to the facts: this was a different user actually

yeah that was me. sorry for that, didn't mean to say anything that was just straight-up transphobic there

[DroneBetter]

@drone just to keep to the facts: this was a different user actually

oh dear, due to its repeated quotation I had assumed the message to be a Cole message that I couldn't find due to a deletion from Cole or a moderator, sorry