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I made a Python script which gives you a random still life to try to synthesise. It chooses randomly from a list of natural still lifes and finds one which has >4 occurrences and no known synthesis, then prints the apgcode and times how long it takes you to synthesise it.

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But xs26_xokkl3zmlhe221z1 has already been synthesized!

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#C [[ GRID MAXGRIDSIZE 14 THEME Catagolue ]]
#CSYNTH xs26_xokkl3zmlhe221z1 costs 10 gliders (true).
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 118, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
21bo$21bobo5bobo$21b2o6b2o31bo48bo$30bo31b3o46b3o$65bo48bo$2bo59b
2obo45b2obo$obo59bo2b3o43bo2b3o$b2o60b2o3bo43b2o3bo$65b3o46b4o$65b
o9bo38bo$74bo40b3o$74b3o40bo$12b3o94bo$14bo92bobo$13bo58b2o34b2o$
72bobo37b3o$15b3o54bo39bo$15bo97bo$16bo91b2o$107bobo$109bo!

[PK22]

But xs26_xokkl3zmlhe221z1 has already been synthesized!

The issue might be that the still life was synthesised between when you last downloaded the synthesis costs from Catagolue and when you ran the script.
Try redownloading the synthesis costs by running the program and entering Y instead of N, and let me know if the issue occurs again.
I tested it, and the program flags the still life as having a synthesis, so a logic error is probably not the cause.

[hotdogPi]

(edit for proper attribution: https://www.flickr.com/photos/199744333 ... 605257534/)

It's supposed to be the layout of the road: curve to left, then ends.

[Citation needed]

Back to the main point,
1. The CA forum is not strictly for "academic" uses of CA,
2. You can't tell someone they should go away because they like the visual instead of the technical side of CA (relates to #1)
3. Sandbox is for everything, nothing doesnt belong in the sandbox, except hate speech and the like (See the Forum Rules *cough* rule 1 *cough*).

To me, the OP has done something different than you, they have taken different patterns that are of significance in CGoL and they have arranged them in such a way that it is visually appealing, sorta like how some people do the same with diatoms. Yeah, you could just take some cell fluid and use it to draw a picture, but arranging diatoms is different. You're not just free to make what you want, you have to work with the shapes those diatoms naturally have and try to make something nice out of them.

But this is "art", you can't rigorously define it with mathematical laws. Art is very much subjective. There's just something about it that ((((most)))) people enjoy, and there's a difference ((((to most people)))) between this:

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scribble

and this:

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still life

Now things have changed. People now insist that this is an academic forum.

[pifricted]

The issue might be that the still life was synthesised between when you last downloaded the synthesis costs from Catagolue and when you ran the script.
Try redownloading the synthesis costs by running the program and entering Y instead of N, and let me know if the issue occurs again.
I tested it, and the program flags the still life as having a synthesis, so a logic error is probably not the cause.

Result:

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================= RESTART: C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\SL.py ================
Modules imported!
Do you want to download updated tabulations from Catagolue? (Y/N)
>Y
Downloading tabulations...
b3s23/asymmetric-soups has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs4 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs5 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs6 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs7 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs8 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs9 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs10 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs11 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs12 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs13 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs14 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs15 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs16 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs17 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs18 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs19 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs20 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs21 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs22 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs23 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs24 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs25 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs26 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs27 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs28 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs29 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs30 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs31 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs32 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs33 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs34 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs35 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs36 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs37 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs38 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs39 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs40 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs41 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs42 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs43 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs44 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs45 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs46 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs47 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs48 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs49 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs50 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs51 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs52 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs53 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs54 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs55 has been downloaded!
b3s23/synthesis-costs/xs56 has been downloaded!
547423 apgcodes found.
Searching for an apgcode with more than 4 occurrences and no known synthesis...
xs21_31ego8gzy1470696
xs28_33gv1o4czcnge21
xs23_g0bdzdll9156
xs28_259e0ehle0ehr
xs30_0cit1qcz6aaaahzx321
xs26_69aczwmll56z03421
xs28_okk688brz660796
xs19_0ggci96z34a9o
xs27_25t28ciczrhc321
xs27_0iu0mliczraa43
xs18_256o8gozy331e8
xs28_4a5p6gmicz660743
xs25_2egu1uge1ego
xs28_okit1u8zw66078a6
xs29_0c9baa4z2lljgz32w23
xs24_4a96z6511ra952
xs23_4a96z69d9jzx123
xs24_6ak81v079kozx11
xs27_2llm88a6z12269ic
xs24_0gg0s2552zol5c93
xs19_xco2dioz4a521
xs20_c4o7picz643
xs28_6248c2t3on1zx3543
xs26_0g8g0si96zra87066
xs23_0mlla4oz34a6w11
xs26_ck81vg35ak8zw643
xs23_0jhe8zraa5113
xs19_dbgz1787ko
xs24_2ego2t3ob96zy21
xs33_okkmge9a4zw624311d96
xs23_4akgilliczx4a6
xs19_025icz4aa5lo
xs19_mlicggz1x34a4
xs27_0rb88c8a6z4a43156
xs21_wml1ug8oz4a43
xs25_wqmg6p3z0cq221z32
xs25_ckgf9gzx3430e952
xs20_25a4oa6zca521
xs25_0g88baa4z8lld113
xs35_69e0e9jz6511dd1eic
xs27_699egmmzwgbq221zx1
xs28_0o8wca96zw1pl96z653
xs27_mm0u1eozd54d11
xs27_4ak8g0si96zxpk78c
xs24_0iu0e96zoie033
xs24_wgbq2kozml443z11
You must synthesise xs24_wgbq2kozml443z11.
It has occurred naturally 8 times.
5
4
3
2
1
GO!!!
Press enter when you are done.

Seems everything but xs24_wgbq2kozml443z11 has already been synthesized.

[PK22]

Seems everything but xs24_wgbq2kozml443z11 has already been synthesized.

The program is not just checking for if a pattern has been synthesised. It also checks that it has >4 C1/G1 occurrences (so that there are enough sample soups to provide a suitable reaction). As an example, the program checked xs35_69e0e9jz6511dd1eic but did not return it as suitable, since it has no synthesis, but only 3 C1 occurrences.

[pifricted]

The program is not just checking for if a pattern has been synthesised. It also checks that it has >4 C1/G1 occurrences (so that there are enough sample soups to provide a suitable reaction). As an example, the program checked xs35_69e0e9jz6511dd1eic but did not return it as suitable, since it has no synthesis, but only 3 C1 occurrences.

So the program checks a random pattern, and when it has >4 C1/G1 occurrences & hasn't been synthesised, print "You must synthesise...", or else print its apgcode and again?

Wel, I understand.

Edit: Can we just check unsynthesised still lifes? Here is a list.

[islptng]

I wonder how much users on this site have ADHD or Asperger.

Currently I know:
- tommyaweosme
- islptng
- H. H. P. M. P. Cole
- CARuler
- LaundryPizza03

also, I suspect that over 50% users have them.

[pifricted]

Why there aren't any Indian users? This might because:

1. Low education for most people
2. Low development for most area

3. the nazi goverment (the real reason cause 1&2)

[b-engine]

Why there aren't any Indian users? This might because:

1. Low education for most people
2. Low development for most area

3. the nazi goverment (the real reason cause 1&2)

CA is already a niche in niche, don't expect everyone from every country to know this.

[pifricted]

CA is already a niche in niche, don't expect everyone from every country to know this.

Of course I know, but someone may askes:

Why there are many Chinese but Indian?

And also, I'd not like to invite them.

[PK22]

CA is already a niche in niche, don't expect everyone from every country to know this.

I suppose, but India's population makes up ~17.8% of the world, so there is probably some reason(s) why there are no Indian users.

[b-engine]

I suppose, but India's population makes up ~17.8% of the world, so there is probably some reason(s) why there are no Indian users.

Seems like the reason is completely independent of population distribution - for example, in my region I never met any Life or CA enthusiasts.

Of course I know, but someone may askes:

Why there are many Chinese but Indian?

Coincidence, probably.

[pifricted]

I suppose, but India's population makes up ~17.8% of the world, so there is probably some reason(s) why there are no Indian users.

Seems like the reason is completely independent of population distribution - for example, in my region I never met any Life or CA enthusiasts.

We are less than 0.005% of the population of the world.

[PK22]

We are less than 0.005% of the population of the world.

1799 forum users / (8.062 * 10^9 people) = only 0.00002231456% of the world, which is tiny.

Seems like the reason is completely independent of population distribution - for example, in my region I never met any Life or CA enthusiasts.

If we assume there are 100000 Life/CA enthusiasts in the world (since there will be people not on the forums who have come across it), and that they are distributed evenly, then the probability of any given person being a Life enthusiast is 0.00001240387. The average person maintains 150 social relationships, according to Dunbar's number, so the probability of one of those people being another Life enthusiast is about 0.185886%.

The actual probability will be much higher, since certain factors increase the chance of someone being a Life enthusiast:

• Language - If someone speaks English as a primary or secondary language, they have a greater chance of being able to read the wiki and contribute to the forums.
• Education + interests - An interest in mathematics, science, or computing means someone is more likely to find CA interesting.
• Income/social class - A higher income or social class means that someone is more likely to own a desktop computer and be able to experiment with or discover Life.
• Location - Wealthier countries are more likely to have improved education, as well as feature better internet infrastructure.
• Neurodiversity - see the quote below:

  I wonder how much users on this site have ADHD or Asperger.
  (...)
  also, I suspect that over 50% users have them.

  Neurodiversity can cause someone to be interested in mathematical patterns and symmetry, both of which are common in CA.

All of these factors also influence social relationships - people often make friends with people who speak the same language, share common interests, attend the same educational institution, or are of a similar social class, making Life/CA enthusiasts more likely to know other enthusiasts. The chance is still tiny, though, due to how niche CA are. Almost all of the above factors helped to influence my interest in CA, and I do not know any other Life enthusiasts outside of these forums.

In India, some of these factors might be less prevalent. I also note that there is internet censorship in India, and it is possible, though unlikely, that this might be having an effect on the forums, somehow/

[mystical]

Why there aren't any Indian users? This might because:

1. Low education for most people
2. Low development for most area

3. the nazi goverment (the real reason cause 1&2)

I want to say that there are Indian people on this forum, for example me. (though I haven't been very active because I was busy preparing for JEE Advanced).

3. the nazi goverment (the real reason cause 1&2)
...
And also, I'd not like to invite them.

It would be better if you kept such rude and inappropriate comments to yourself.

In India, some of these factors might be less prevalent. I also note that there is internet censorship in India, and it is possible, though unlikely, that this might be having an effect on the forums, somehow

This is not an issue at all. Internet censorship is not a very big problem here. However, the other things you mentioned seem true to me.


Here are a few of my guesses for why Indian users are fewer in number,

1. Language: Although English is spoken in India, especially in cities, only ~10% of India understands it, and even fewer are fluent in it. A wide variety of different languages are used here and most of these languages don't have much recreational math or science content, so most people have no way of gaining exposure to niche mathematical fields like CA. Even in Hindi, which is spoken by ~60% of Indians, I am not aware of much recreational math content. Most higher education here is in English, so even the college-educated people here don't create much recreational math content in native languages.
2. Poverty: Most Indians are struggling to survive and have neither the time nor resources to explore something like CA. I don't think it's possible to explore CA unless you have access to a PC, which is a privilege 90% of Indians don't have.
3. Most people join the community as teens or even younger. Most math-inclined Indians of this age are not encouraged to explore their interests in fields like CA and are instead forced to study things for school or start coaching for the college entrance examinations. This really drains people and destroys any interest they may have in recreational math.
4. There might be more Indians here, but they don't reveal their nationality.

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After over 1 thousand apgcodes...

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zz_LINEAR
You must synthesise zz_LINEAR.
It has occurred naturally 50 times.
5
4
3
2
1
GO!!!
Press enter when you are done.

W H A T ? !

Edit: megasized_46h

[Resu]

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#C examples for all periods 6-16
x = 109, y = 76, rule = B3/S23
77b2o3b2o$77b2o3b2o$55b2o$2o52bobo39bo$bo52b3o39b3o$bobo60b2o10b3o3b3o
14bo$2b2o13b2ob2o33b2o7bo7b2o13b2o9b2o$18bobo14b2o17b4o4bobo7b2o2bobo
3bobo2b2o19bo$6bo10bo4bobo10b2o2b2o13bo3bo3b2o13bo5bo22b3o$5b3o10b4o2b
o15b2o17bo41b2o2bo$6bobo14b2o14bo2bo13bo2bo41bo4bo$6bobo11bo21bo2b2o12b
o17bo5bo17bob4o$7b2o10bobo4b2o12bobo2b2o7bo3bo3b2o8b2o2bobo3bobo2b2o9b
o2bo$10b2o7b2o5bo27b4o4bobo7b2o13b2o8bobo3b2o$10bobo14b3o25b2o7bo11b3o
3b3o13bo5bo$12bo16bo34b2o38bobo$12b2o40b3o48b2o$54bobo$55b2o20b2o3b2o
$77b2o3b2o3$9b2o10b2o$8bo2bo8bo2bo$8b3o2b6o2b3o31bo37b2o$11b2o6b2o34b
3o34bo$10bo10bo36bo11bo21bo2bo$10b2obo4bob2o35b2o10bobo23bo$5bo9b2o24b
2o10b2o14bobo30b2o$5bo35bobo9b2o5bo7b2ob2o4b2o11b2o2bo6bo2bo$5bobo9bo
25bo15bobo5bo6bo3bo12b5o5bob2o$5bob2o2bo4bobo10b3o11b3o7bo4bo3bo4b2ob
2ob2o3bobo8bo5b2o5bob3o$7b2o2b3obo3bo9b3o9b2o3bo5bobo3bo3bo8bobo5b3ob
o5b2o5bo8bobo$11bo3bo3bo4b3o3bo9bo2b4o4bo3bo2bo3bo4b4o2bo7b2obo5b5o12b
o$3bo2b2o7bo3bo3b5obo10bobo8bo3bo3bobo5bo3b2o8bo2bo6bo2b2o11b2o$2bobo
2bo8bobo5b4o2bo8b2ob2ob2o4bo3bo4bo7b3o11b2o$2bo2b2o10bo9bob2obo6bo6bo
5bobo15bo19bo$b2o25bo2bobo7b2ob2o7bo5b2o9bobo17bo2bo$29b2o2bo8bobo14b
2o10b2o20bo8b3o$18b3o12b2o7bobo10b2o34b2o3b2o3b3o$13b2o2bo3bo2b2o17bo
11bo39b2obo$13b2obo5bob2o30b3o35bo3bo$17bo3bo36bo31bo3bob2o$18b3o68bo
bo3b2o4b3o$90bo11b3o2$16b2o3bo16bo37bo$17bo3b2o13b3o35b3o$14b3o4b2o12b
o37bo$14bo7bo12b2o26b2o8b2o$64bo$32b2o6b2o22bobo3b3o$32bobo4bobo23b2o
2bo3bo$33b2o4bo28bo5bo$37b3o28bo5bo$36bo27bo3bo5bo$27b2o7b2o26b2o3bo3b
o$27bobo33b2obo3b3o$29bo17b2o13bo2b3o$29b2o3b3o11bo12bobobo$33bo2bo8b
3o12bobobo$33b3o9bo6b2o4b3o2bo$26b2o15bobo6bo6bob2o9b2o$26bo12b2o2b2o
5bobo7b2o8b2o2bo$27b3o8bobo9b2o9bo5b4o2bo$29bo8bobo5b2o19b6o4bo$27b2o
9b2o6bobo27bobo$27bo19b2o28bo$28bo$27b2o11bo$34b2o4b3o28b2o$30b2obobo
7bo27b2obo$30bob2obobo4b2o31bo$36b2o34bo$73bob2o$75b2o!

Stats: Interesting?

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[LWSSONHWSSONLWSS]

Why did you triplepost?

[Sokwe]

Why did you triplepost?

Shuich01, in the future if your post is the most recent post in the thread and less than a week has passed, please edit it to include any new discoveries rather than making a new post. Also, I moved this discussion to the sandbox, as it's off topic in the spaceship discussion thread.

[shuich01]

Why did you triplepost?

Shuich01, in the future if your post is the most recent post in the thread and less than a week has passed, please edit it to include any new discoveries rather than making a new post. Also, I moved this discussion to the sandbox, as it's off topic in the spaceship discussion thread.

okay, i see.

[hotdogPi]

The rule against double posting regardless of circumstances is actively causing harm.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1480&start=325#p214464

I ran a few hauls of Pseudo_D8_4_Test on the new version but it appears they were actually C4_4, so that census is now contaminated.

D8_1 appears to be running fine, though.

I know about this bug. I edited the original script, but you were using the old, erroneous one, since I would have needed to double post to draw attention to the error.

[b-engine]

The rule against double posing regardless of circumstances is actively causing harm.

Maybe lower the restriction to just consecutive posts within 3 minutes.

[Resu]

Maybe lower the restriction to just consecutive posts within 3 minutes.

3 minutes seems quite low.

[H. H. P. M. P. Cole]

You might know me for the controversy I've sparked: after all, this might be still a big topic in the ConwayLife and ConwayLife-adjacent communities.

Whatever it is, I have come to say that if you really want to make this fuss about me, go ahead. I honestly don't care.

But I am sorry for my actions against the LGBT minorities. I should have kept my beliefs silent, and this way I wouldn't have opened that can of fish.

I should have just respected Moosey's pronoun choices from the very start, back when I was in her server. I don't say I endorse it, but at the very least if I respected it I would have not have had to clean all this up.

If this post makes me banned from the forums, go ahead and ban me. I have lost interest in cellular automata.