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[David]

Another fuse again:

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x = 532, y = 533, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o$3o2$3b2o$3bo$4b3ob2o$6bobobo$10bo$10b2o2$10b2o$10bo$11b3ob2o$13b
obobo$17bo$17b2o2$17b2o$17bo$18b3ob2o$20bobobo$24bo$24b2o2$24b2o$24bo$
25b3ob2o$27bobobo$31bo$31b2o2$31b2o$31bo$32b3ob2o$34bobobo$38bo$38b2o
2$38b2o$38bo$39b3ob2o$41bobobo$45bo$45b2o2$45b2o$45bo$46b3ob2o$48bobob
o$52bo$52b2o2$52b2o$52bo$53b3ob2o$55bobobo$59bo$59b2o2$59b2o$59bo$60b
3ob2o$62bobobo$66bo$66b2o2$66b2o$66bo$67b3ob2o$69bobobo$73bo$73b2o2$
73b2o$73bo$74b3ob2o$76bobobo$80bo$80b2o2$80b2o$80bo$81b3ob2o$83bobobo$
87bo$87b2o2$87b2o$87bo$88b3ob2o$90bobobo$94bo$94b2o2$94b2o$94bo$95b3ob
2o$97bobobo$101bo$101b2o2$101b2o$101bo$102b3ob2o$104bobobo$108bo$108b
2o2$108b2o$108bo$109b3ob2o$111bobobo$115bo$115b2o2$115b2o$115bo$116b3o
b2o$118bobobo$122bo$122b2o2$122b2o$122bo$123b3ob2o$125bobobo$129bo$
129b2o2$129b2o$129bo$130b3ob2o$132bobobo$136bo$136b2o2$136b2o$136bo$
137b3ob2o$139bobobo$143bo$143b2o2$143b2o$143bo$144b3ob2o$146bobobo$
150bo$150b2o2$150b2o$150bo$151b3ob2o$153bobobo$157bo$157b2o2$157b2o$
157bo$158b3ob2o$160bobobo$164bo$164b2o2$164b2o$164bo$165b3ob2o$167bobo
bo$171bo$171b2o2$171b2o$171bo$172b3ob2o$174bobobo$178bo$178b2o2$178b2o
$178bo$179b3ob2o$181bobobo$185bo$185b2o2$185b2o$185bo$186b3ob2o$188bob
obo$192bo$192b2o2$192b2o$192bo$193b3ob2o$195bobobo$199bo$199b2o2$199b
2o$199bo$200b3ob2o$202bobobo$206bo$206b2o2$206b2o$206bo$207b3ob2o$209b
obobo$213bo$213b2o2$213b2o$213bo$214b3ob2o$216bobobo$220bo$220b2o2$
220b2o$220bo$221b3ob2o$223bobobo$227bo$227b2o2$227b2o$227bo$228b3ob2o$
230bobobo$234bo$234b2o2$234b2o$234bo$235b3ob2o$237bobobo$241bo$241b2o
2$241b2o$241bo$242b3ob2o$244bobobo$248bo$248b2o2$248b2o$248bo$249b3ob
2o$251bobobo$255bo$255b2o2$255b2o$255bo$256b3ob2o$258bobobo$262bo$262b
2o2$262b2o$262bo$263b3ob2o$265bobobo$269bo$269b2o2$269b2o$269bo$270b3o
b2o$272bobobo$276bo$276b2o2$276b2o$276bo$277b3ob2o$279bobobo$283bo$
283b2o2$283b2o$283bo$284b3ob2o$286bobobo$290bo$290b2o2$290b2o$290bo$
291b3ob2o$293bobobo$297bo$297b2o2$297b2o$297bo$298b3ob2o$300bobobo$
304bo$304b2o2$304b2o$304bo$305b3ob2o$307bobobo$311bo$311b2o2$311b2o$
311bo$312b3ob2o$314bobobo$318bo$318b2o2$318b2o$318bo$319b3ob2o$321bobo
bo$325bo$325b2o2$325b2o$325bo$326b3ob2o$328bobobo$332bo$332b2o2$332b2o
$332bo$333b3ob2o$335bobobo$339bo$339b2o2$339b2o$339bo$340b3ob2o$342bob
obo$346bo$346b2o2$346b2o$346bo$347b3ob2o$349bobobo$353bo$353b2o2$353b
2o$353bo$354b3ob2o$356bobobo$360bo$360b2o2$360b2o$360bo$361b3ob2o$363b
obobo$367bo$367b2o2$367b2o$367bo$368b3ob2o$370bobobo$374bo$374b2o2$
374b2o$374bo$375b3ob2o$377bobobo$381bo$381b2o2$381b2o$381bo$382b3ob2o$
384bobobo$388bo$388b2o2$388b2o$388bo$389b3ob2o$391bobobo$395bo$395b2o
2$395b2o$395bo$396b3ob2o$398bobobo$402bo$402b2o2$402b2o$402bo$403b3ob
2o$405bobobo$409bo$409b2o2$409b2o$409bo$410b3ob2o$412bobobo$416bo$416b
2o2$416b2o$416bo$417b3ob2o$419bobobo$423bo$423b2o2$423b2o$423bo$424b3o
b2o$426bobobo$430bo$430b2o2$430b2o$430bo$431b3ob2o$433bobobo$437bo$
437b2o2$437b2o$437bo$438b3ob2o$440bobobo$444bo$444b2o2$444b2o$444bo$
445b3ob2o$447bobobo$451bo$451b2o2$451b2o$451bo$452b3ob2o$454bobobo$
458bo$458b2o2$458b2o$458bo$459b3ob2o$461bobobo$465bo$465b2o2$465b2o$
465bo$466b3ob2o$468bobobo$472bo$472b2o2$472b2o$472bo$473b3ob2o$475bobo
bo$479bo$479b2o2$479b2o$479bo$480b3ob2o$482bobobo$486bo$486b2o2$486b2o
$486bo$487b3ob2o$489bobobo$493bo$493b2o2$493b2o$493bo$494b3ob2o$496bob
obo$500bo$500b2o2$500b2o$500bo$501b3ob2o$503bobobo$507bo$507b2o2$507b
2o$507bo$508b3ob2o$510bobobo$514bo$514b2o2$514b2o$514bo$515b3ob2o$517b
obobo$521bo$521b2o2$521b2o$521bo$522b3ob2o$524bobobo$528bo$528b2o2$
528b2o$528bo$529b3o$531bo!

[137ben]

@above: quite a unique fuse--it appears to burn at a speed of 7c/11. Of course, it may be difficult to use because of all the junk it releases, but it is still an uncommon speed.

[David]

Smallest? unix predecessor:

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
6bo$7bo$7bo$6bo2$6b2o$o2bobobo$b2o2b2o!

[David]

Just eater.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$3b2obo2bo$3b2o2b2o$b2o$b2o2$bo$obo$obo$bo!

But, I belive It will be used to oscillators, wicks, or agars.

[Sokwe]

Due to the phase change, it can be used to string two (or more) period-37 oscillators together:

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x = 63, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
37b2o11b2o$37b2o11b2o3$32bo23bo$31bobo5bo9bo5bobo$30bo2bo5bob2o3b2obo
5bo2bo$31b2o10bobo10b2o$41bobobobo$42bo3bo2$26b2o33b2o$26b2o33b2o$31b
2o23b2o2$32bobo19bobo$32bo2bo17bo2bo$33b2o19b2o2$33b2o19b2o$32bo2bo17b
o2bo$32bobo19bobo2$31b2o23b2o$26bo34b2o$26b2o33b2o$11b2o11b2o$11b2o12b
o16bo3bo$41bobobobo$31b2o10bobo10b2o$6bo23bo2bo5bob2o3b2obo5bo2bo$5bob
o5bo9bo5bobobo5bo9bo5bobo$4bo2bo5bob2o3b2obo5bo2bo23bo$5b2o10bobo10b2o
$15bobobobo$16bo3bo16bo12b2o$37b2o11b2o$2o33b2o$2o34bo$5b2o23b2o2$6bob
o19bobo$6bo2bo17bo2bo$7b2o19b2o2$7b2o19b2o$6bo2bo17bo2bo$6bobo19bobo2$
5b2o23b2o$2o33b2o$2o33b2o2$16bo3bo$15bobobobo$5b2o10bobo10b2o$4bo2bo5b
ob2o3b2obo5bo2bo$5bobo5bo9bo5bobo$6bo23bo3$11b2o11b2o$11b2o11b2o!

It can also be used to support four queen bee shuttles:

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x = 44, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
22b2o$22b2o11$20b2o3b2o$22b3o$21bo3bo$22bobo$23bo$34bo$34bobo$35bobo4b
2o$12bo9b2o11bo2bo3b2o$12bobo7b2o11bobo$2o11bobo4b2o12bobo$2o11bo2bo3b
2o12bo$13bobo$12bobo$12bo8$17b2o3b2o$19b3o$18bo3bo$19bobo$20bo4$19b2o$
19b2o!

[David]

Just predecessor...

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$obo$bo2b3o$4bo$4bob2o$5bo2bo$4bo4bo$5bob2o$6bo!

[Axaj]

Just predecessor...

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$obo$bo2b3o$4bo$4bob2o$5bo2bo$4bo4bo$5bob2o$6bo!

What's probably more interesting is the pre-loaf + R-Bee reaction shown after several generations:

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b2o$obo$obob3o$bo3b2o$6bo!

This could easily lead to a new glider synthesis.

[David]

predecesscor again:

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x = 16, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b2o6bo$obo6b2o3bo$obob3o2b3obobo$bo3b2o6bobo$6bo6b2o!

[wintersolstice]

a methusela?

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x = 3, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo2$bo$bo$bo!

Edit btw does anyone know how to pronounce the word?

[calcyman]

Edit btw does anyone know how to pronounce the word?

Four syllables, with the second one stressed, i.e. mer-THOO-sa-lah. (The name of a patriarch in the Old Testament, who lived to 969, if I remember correctly.)

[Lewis]

Small soup that produces a strange 29-cell still life...:

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x = 18, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
10b3o$3b2o2b2ob3o2b3o$3bob7o$3b2obo8bobo$3b5o6b3o$5b2o5b6o$13bo$11bobo
3bo$10b3ob3o$15b2o$9bo5bo$9bo$4b3o2bo3bo$14bo$3bo9b2o$b2o10b2o$obo11b
2o$13bo2bo$o!

...and a symmetrical 30-cell still life:

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x = 18, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
obo3b2o7b2o$2bobobo9bo$2bobob2o7bobo$2b5o9b2o$2bo11b2obo$2b2ob2o7bo$bo
3bob2o$2b2obobobo$bo2b7o4bobo$3b2o6b2o2b2o$6bo2bobo$3bo5bo3b2o$3b3o2bo
b2o2b2o$3bo3bo3b3obo$4bo10b2o$4bo$12b2o$12b3o!

[dvgrn]

Small soup that produces a strange 29-cell still life...:

That is indeed a rather unusual object to find floating in one's soup. Fairly quick spontaneous generation, too -- it should allow a cheaper synthesis than a standard incremental process would. I don't know for sure whether a "natural" recipe is already known to the experts, though.

The object is labeled "00d800d8000000fe010102e5012600c0" in Andrzej Okrasinski's soup searches -- apparently it showed up 19 times in 12 billion+ 20-cell-square soups, so there must be a predecessor or two that isn't _too_ unlikely.

No doubt somebody can do better, but here's the recipe boiled down to a pi, a B, and a 9-cell object that I probably ought to know how to synthesize:

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x = 46, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
2bo42bo$obo40b2o$b2o41b2o22$8bobo$9b2o$9bo2$16b2o$16bo6$22bo$21bo$20bo
$20bo$20bo$21bo2bo$22b2o!

Here's a 5-tick predecessor showing the 9-cell object getting sparked into existence from a beehive:

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..oo...o
.o..o.o
..oo..o.o
......o
.......o.oo
.
........o
........oo
..........o

It keeps a fairly low population for over 30 ticks, eventually travelling a long distance leftward and resolving into a Herschel plus junk. Does anyone have a synthesis handy for this thing, or know anything else about it?

The 30-cell still life I know I've seen around somewhere before, probably in soup-census or Glue results. Doesn't seem to be in anyone's top-100 list, but for example it was found 121 times in Okrasinski's soups -- it's listed under the name "cis-mirrored_very_long_worm". So no doubt it's in Nathaniel's soup-search database as well.

[Sokwe]

@Dave
You're making this task unnecessarily complex. Here's a simple 6-glider synthesis of the 29-cell still life:

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x = 45, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
obo37bo$b2o37bobo$bo38b2o21$13bo$12bo$12b3o3$16b3o$16bo$17bo11$16b2o$
16bobo$16bo8$43bo$42b2o$42bobo!

[dvgrn]

You're making this task unnecessarily complex. Here's a simple 6-glider synthesis of the 29-cell still life...

Well, I did say somebody would be able to do better. Very nice!

I didn't look very hard for replacements for the 9-cell active object that I went on about, because I'm actually more interested in it than in the 29-cell still life -- it seems like the kind of thing that might show up in a new Herschel conduit someday (but only if there's an easy way to generate it.)

Keep the cheer,


DaveG

[Lewis]

... probably in soup-census or Glue results.

Slightly off-topic, but is any version of the 'glue' software publicly available to download? (I have a feeling I asked before on this forum ages ago when there were only 5 or so members, but I don't think I got a reply.)

[dvgrn]

... probably in soup-census or Glue results.

Slightly off-topic, but is any version of the 'glue' software publicly available to download? (I have a feeling I asked before on this forum ages ago when there were only 5 or so members, but I don't think I got a reply.)

Well, I put the pieces of my old computer back together, maybe six months ago, and tried to get my most recent alpha version of Glue (from January 2006!) running again, just to see if I could -- but didn't have any luck immediately. I'm not sure why. I do remember that Paul Chapman wrote Glue2 as a Smalltalk prototype that was eventually supposed to get translated into something more modern and/or efficient -- and the version of Smalltalk he was using worked much more happily in Windows 95/98 than in Windows XP. XP's OS emulation modes helped some, as I recall, but there were still some odd problems from time to time.

Anyway, I wasn't immediately able to locate a runnable copy, for whatever reason. Paul wasn't very close to having what he considered a usable utility, anyway -- he used to have to make fairly arcane code changes each time the program had to be applied to a new problem, and the idea was eventually to come up with a much more user-adjustable version. Which hasn't happened in the last five years, but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't happen in the next five.

On the other hand, it may mean at this point that it would be more work to recover and improve on the old Glue2 than it would be to design a new Glue3 from scratch -- and possibly include a few new options this time around... such as the ability to specify multiple input directions, along the lines of Andrew Wade's two-arm Gemini constructions.

Keep the cheer,


Dave

[ssaamm]

new 6x4 Methuselah, 3913 generations long

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x = 6, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
3b3o$bo2bo$o$bobo!

natural big 'S':

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x = 21, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
13bobo$14bo$14bo4$20bo$18b2o$20bo2$3o$obo$obo!

natural lwss:

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x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
6bo$5b3o$7bo4$obobo$2ob2o$obobo!

[Awesomeness]

Whoah! I took this:

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x = 27, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
5bo$3bobo$4b2o11bo$11bo3b2o$11bobo2b2o$4bobo4b2o$5b2o$5bo7bo$12b2o$6b
2o4bobo$b2o2bobo$2b2o3bo$bo11b2o$13bobo$13bo!

Moved the left side one pixel down:

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x = 25, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
4$8bo$6bobo11bo$7b2o5bo3b2o$14bobo2b2o$14b2o$7bobo$8b2o6bo$8bo6b2o$15b
obo$9b2o$4b2o2bobo$5b2o3bo5b2o$4bo11bobo$16bo!

]

BOOM! Is this new?

[velcrorex]

A natural big S

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x = 22, y = 15
13bo$13bo$13bo$$9b3o3b3o$$boo10bo$obo10bo$bbo10bo5$20boo$20boo!

which really just comes from

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x = 8, y = 5
oo$obo$bo3b3o$5bo$5b3o!

[Extrementhusiast]

new 6x4 Methuselah, 3913 generations long

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x = 6, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
3b3o$bo2bo$o$bobo!

That is actually Charles L. Corderman's switch engine.

[ssaamm]

is a self-destructing switch engine considered a Methuselah?
I wonder.

[Axaj]

is a self-destructing switch engine considered a Methuselah?
I wonder.

Yes, of course it is. As long as it stops growing, it is definitely a Methuselah. However, there is debate on whether arks should be considered Methuselahs or not.

[Lewis]

Various new strange objects in 20x20 soups:

P8 Blocker:

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
3ob2ob5ob7o$b2obo4b2obo2b2obo$bo2b3o3b2o3bo$4obo2bo2bob5obo$b2o2bo3bob
2o2b4o$3o10b3ob3o$obo2bo3bob6ob2o$5o3bo3bobob2o$2o5b2o6bo2b2o$bobo2b3o
bo4b2o2bo$2bob4o4b7o$3b3ob2o2b2o2b3obo$ob3o2b2obobo2b5o$o2bobob4obo4b
3o$bo2b2o3b2o5b3o$o3b5ob2o4b4o$2bob3o2b7obo$2b2obobo2b3ob2obobo$2ob3ob
o3b2ob4o$2bo4b2o2b2obo2bobo!

Spark Coil on Boat

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
bo2b4obob7o$2b4o8bobobo$b3ob2ob4o2bo2bobo$o4b2ob2ob7o$b2ob2ob2ob2o4bo$
5bo3bo3bo2b2o$3ob4obob2ob2o3bo$7obo2b2ob3o$2ob2o2bo2b2o2b3obo$b2obo4b
2o5b2obo$obobo2bob3ob2o3bo$o2bo4b2o4b4o$o3b2obo3b2obo3bo$3b2o2b3o3bo5b
o$o2bo2bobo3b5o$ob2obo2bo2bobo4b2o$bob2o3bobob2o3b3o$b2o2bob3obo2b4o$
5o2bo3bobob3o$bobo2bo5b2o4b2o!

Beacon on Cap

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2o3bo3b2o2bo2bo$bobo2bob2obobo2b4o$o2bob2obo2bobobo$bo5b2o3bo2b2o2bo$b
ob3ob2ob7o2bo$bo2bo6bo2bo3bo$2o2bobobobo2b2obobo$b5obo2bo3bo3b2o$2o5bo
2b2o2bobo2bo$o2bo2b2o2bobo4b2o$obo2b2ob2obo5bo$b3o2b2ob2obo3b4o$o2bo2b
6o4bo2bo$b3o2b3o3b2obobo$3bo15bo$3bobob3ob2o3b3o$3o2bo2b3ob4o2b2o$3bo
2b4o2bobo3bo$2o2bob2o3b2obo3b2o$3bob4o2b5ob2o!

Unusual Symmetrical 24-Cell Still Life:

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2o3b2o2bo4bobo$ob2o4bo3b2o2bo2bo$3b2obobobo2bo2bo$o2b3o3b6obobo$o3bo2b
ob3ob2ob2o$b3ob2o2b3o4b3o$ob3o2bo3bo6bo$obob2ob4ob2obo3bo$3b2o3bo5bo3b
o$bobobobob3o2b2ob3o$obo2bob2ob4ob2o$ob3o4bobobo3b3o$b3o3bo3b3obo3bo$b
2o2b4o4bobobo$3b2obobo2b3o2b2obo$o4bobob2o3bob4o$3obo2b5o3b3o$2b2obob
4o2bo$3ob2o2b2o2b2o3bo$o2bobobo2bobo2b5o!

Tripole:

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
bob3obobo8b2o$2b4o2b5o4b3o$2b9o2bob2ob2o$3obob3o2b2o3b3o$3b2o6b2obob2o
$2b2o3bob7o2b2o$bobobobo4b3ob3o$b2o4b2o3b3ob2obo$3o7b2o2b2o3bo$2bo2b2o
b2ob2obo3bo$obo3b3o2b6o$b3o3b2o3bobobo$10obo2b6o$2bob2o4b3o2bo2bo$o2bo
2b3obob3o$ob5o3b3obo$o5bo2b2o2bob2ob2o$o5bobo2bo4b2o$o2b4o2b2ob4o$2ob
2o2b2o3b7o!

It's a shame that soups like this from Andrzej Okrasinski's census were never made public (apart from the P2 Lightbulb); Several rare oscillators like Tim Coe's P8 and the P5 Fumarole occurred naturally, and the soups might have led to improved glider syntheses.

[tod222]

It's a shame that soups like this from Andrzej Okrasinski's census were never made public (apart from the P2 Lightbulb); Several rare oscillators like Tim Coe's P8 and the P5 Fumarole occurred naturally, and the soups might have led to improved glider syntheses.

He did release a results document on his website, but it was hosted on Geocities which was closed shortly thereafter.

Luckily, most of his website seems to have been saved on archive.org:

• Andrzej Okrasinski Game of Life website
• Game of Life statistics (Adobe Acrobat format)
• Life Screen Saver, still available on Simtel
• Object name file for Lifess

[Extrementhusiast]

That blocker soup has led me to make a partial synthesis, with easy-to-construct components:

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x = 128, y = 131, rule = B3/S23
79bo$78bo$78b3o3$125bo$125bobo$125b2o27$22bo$22bo$22bo2$18b3o3b3o2$22b
o$22bo$22bo8$2bo$obo$b2o18b2o3b3o$21b2o4bo$27b3o20$45b2o$44b2o$46bo19$
23b3o$23bo2bo$23bo$23bo$24bobo29$98b2o10b2o$98bobo9bobo$98bo11bo!