Catagolue Oddities

[wwei23]

Basically, take a 16x16 soup, and replace each cell with a 16x16 block of cells. Then replace each 16x16 block of cells with the original soup. It was the only way I could get 25p to work.

That is sort of complicated and definitely not what 25p should be. Why not just take 2 soups and AND them? (75p could be created by taking 2 soups and ORing them.)

But how?

[drc]

facepalm

I feel like all the extraneous symmetries should be removed (and checks done to inhibit more invalid symmetries) until Adam comes up with a standard algorithm for generating those soups

[toroidalet]

Why not just take 2 soups and AND them? (75p could be created by taking 2 soups and ORing them.)

But how?

Run whatever the soup-generating function is called twice, store both soups as arrays with 1s for live cells and 0s for dead, work your way across the arrays (so you're at the same cell in each array and therefore soup) and AND (or OR for a 75%) them into a new array to get a 25% (or 75%) density soup.

I feel like [...] checks [should be] done to inhibit more invalid symmetries

What sort of checks would eliminate invalid symmetries?

[drc]

What sort of checks would eliminate invalid symmetries?

If the symmetry name doesn't match one of catagolue's valid symmetries, then it wouldn't go through.

[wwei23]

So I've ruined Catagolue! How do I fix it then?

[drc]

So I've ruined Catagolue! How do I fix it then?

Considering you don't have access to the administrative features, you can't really fix it. All I can tell you is to please stop searching non-standard symmetries.

[muzik]

This is an interesting:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_7/b0s

[bprentice]

Why does the page here:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... s1-e23-aky

not provide a pointer to a pattern file that can be run on Golly?

Brian Prentice

[Saka]

Why does the page here:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... s1-e23-aky

not provide a pointer to a pattern file that can be run on Golly?

Brian Prentice

Usually when a pattern has appeared a lot, no soups are displayed. Imagine if catagolue provided the full lost of soups that have blinkers!

[Saka]

This is an interesting:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_7/b0s

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_7e/b0s

[bprentice]

Usually when a pattern has appeared a lot, no soups are displayed. Imagine if catagolue provided the full lost of soups that have blinkers!

I am not interested in soups I simply want an rle file.

Brian Prentice

[Saka]

I am not interested in soups I simply want an rle file.

Brian Prentice

I dont think catagolue provides RLEs for patterns but there's always the APGcode to RLE on the scripts request thread in the scripts forum.

[bprentice]

I dont think catagolue provides RLEs for patterns ...

Precisely. The most important items in a catalogue of patterns are the rle files.

Brian Prentice

[Saka]

Precisely. The most important items in a catalogue of patterns are the rle files.

Brian Prentice

(It's Catagolue) Usually people just run the soups in Golly and get the RLE by copy/pasting the result of the soup.

Is there anything wrong with this? You could also ask Calcyman to provide an RLE link on every object page.

[bprentice]

You could also ask Calcyman to provide an RLE link on every object page.

That is what I am doing by highlighting this omission on the 'Oddities' thread. I hope this ends this discussion.

Brian Prentice

[muzik]

Perhaps it would be more convenient if Golly were to read apgcodes as rles when pasted in?

[Saka]

Perhaps it would be more convenient if Golly were to read apgcodes as rules* when pasted in?

Did you mean pattern?
1 problem: APGcode doesn't show the rule. Or does the rule not change and only the pattern is pasted?

[muzik]

Or does the rule not change and only the pattern is pasted?

Assumedly so, since this is what happens with rles without the special header.

[Apple Bottom]

I am not interested in soups I simply want an rle file.

This would indeed be very useful to have.

In the meantime, if you're using Opera, this is one of the things the inofficial browser extension does:

rle.png (76.8 KiB) Viewed 11832 times

[bprentice]

... but there's always the APGcode to RLE on the scripts request thread in the scripts forum.

I tried this script and found an rle file on the clipboard with the correct pattern and incorrect rule name. After transferring the file to my editor, correcting the rule name and pasting the result back into Golly it worked. This is not a useful solution.

When making such a suggestion in the future please point to the relevant posting in the forum so that the reader does not need to search for it.

Brian Prentice

[bprentice]

In the meantime, if you're using Opera, this is one of the things the unofficial browser extension does:

I downloaded Opera together with your extension and it works beautifully. Thank you.

Brian Prentice

[Rhombic]

What
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1001_0/b2e3-as23

[praosylen]

What
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1001_0/b2e3-as23

I'm not sure -- I'll have to take a look at it. No time right now, but I should get around to it tomorrow.

[drc]

What
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1001_0/b2e3-as23

I'm not sure -- I'll have to take a look at it. No time right now, but I should get around to it tomorrow.

It gets worse.
EDIT: One offending haul.

[toroidalet]

It gets worse.

Also pretty bad.
(I think what happens is if the period is over 1000 it doesn't try to label it, because periods >(≥?)1000 are PATHOLOGICAL)
EDIT: invalid characters in rulenames