ConwayLife.com

Posted: **February 27th, 2015, 4:39 am**

dvgrn wrote:Or do non-HTML5 browsers even matter any more?

It would be interesting to look at the web stats for conwaylife.com and see what percentage of the visitors are using a non-HTML5 compliant browser.
From my perspective animation and interactivity are now strictly in the realm of the modern browser and HTML5. Animated GIFs were what we used when the browsers weren't smart enough to do anything better. You should still have a fallback path for those with older browsers (for a period until your stats show you this is no longer an issue). However I would question the investment in making this fallback path anything other than spartan.
So relating this to the Viewer I'd argue it should and could be used wherever animation and interactivity are required, especially when the Waypoints feature finally gets to the top of the To Do List. Based on that argument I'm not currently motivated to add animated-GIF creation to it. However I have put in experimental support for capturing a single image as a PNG.

Build 137

add ability to capture an image and open it in a new browser window
- Hotkey 'O' triggers the capture
- Image will be opened in a separate browser window (or tab, depending on the browser)
- Image will have overlays removed (navigation menu, notification, timing information, population stats, error list and help information.)
- You may need to "enable popups" for the site the first time you do it
- The same separate window (or tab) is reused for each image capture
- You get a notification ("Image Captured") so you can tell something happened in the case where an existing Image Capture window (or tab) exists but is hidden

Here's an image I captured earlier:

Posted: **February 27th, 2015, 6:43 pm**

Build 138 is available on the lazyslug server:

the Page Up, Page Down, Home and End keys now work on the error list
the words "Up" and "Down" at the bottom of the help information or error list are greyed if at the top or bottom respectively
major gridlines are drawn after minor gridlines so their intersection is in major gridline colour

Nathaniel, if you get a moment then please will you upload this build to the conwaylife server since it adds a fair amount of useful functionality and fixes since Build 133.

Posted: **February 27th, 2015, 7:03 pm**

Here is my current thinking for the Waypoint system for your review and comments.

A waypoint is a target at which a particular view is reached.
A target is defined by both elapsed time and generation.
We define a new script command [[ AT <time> <generation> ]] which is then followed by other commands which set the target view.
Commands before the first [[ AT ]] define the initial view.

Example 1:

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[[ ZOOM 10
   AT 10 50 ZOOM 5 ]]

Start at ZOOM 10, generation 0.
After 10 seconds, reach ZOOM 5 and generation 50 (which means 5gps)

Example 2:

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[[ AT 5 0 ]]

Wait 5 seconds at generation 0 (i.e. before starting)

Example 3:

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[[ LOOP 350
   X 30 ZOOM 3
   AT 30 300 X -30
   AT 35 300 ]]

Start at X 30 and ZOOM 3
After 30 seconds, reach X -30 and generation 300 (which means 10 gps)
Wait for 5 seconds
Continue at 10gps until generation 350 and then LOOP to start

Thoughts?

Posted: **February 28th, 2015, 11:22 am**

rowett wrote:Here is my current thinking for the Waypoint system for your review and comments.
A waypoint is a target at which a particular view is reached.

A target is defined by both elapsed time and generation.

We define a new script command [[ AT <time> <generation> ]] which is then followed by other commands which set the target view.

Commands before the first [[ AT ]] define the initial view.
Thoughts?

Seems workable -- all the functionality is there, assuming you can also set other parameters that you haven't mentioned (ANGLE, ZOOM, LAYERS, DEPTH) and they'll be interpolated the same way as X and Y parameters. No numeric interpolation for THEME and COLOUR, of course, if they're even allowed to change at waypoints... could get some interesting effects there.

With the suggested syntax, the unlabeled numbers after AT are less readable than any other script command -- it would break the nice PARAM {value} pairing habit. (I'm not counting COLOUR, just because. It's the exception that proves the rule, I guess.)

Might be worth adding labels even if the viewer really just ignores them: instead of "AT 30 300", maybe "AT SECONDS 30 T 300" -- or else replace AT with TIME or TIMESTAMP: "TIMESTAMP 30 T 300 X 10 Y 20 ANGLE 60".

It's funny, though: all this makes the time dimension into the key index -- everything else hangs off of what happens at T=30, so there's an automatic adjustment of the GPS. My mental picture of a series of waypoints has more to do with the X and Y values, and I don't even necessarily want to care about what time I get there -- but I don't expect the GPS to change.

The exception is when a delay before or after a simulation is wanted, of course. But otherwise, won't the most common thing be to want the GPS to stay the same, even when the waypoints are different distances apart?

Looks like you're implying a default GPS in Example 3, but there's no way to just set it and forget it at the beginning of the script -- it's just what you get at the end after you run out of waypoints. Here's a possible rewrite of Example 3:

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[[ GPS 10 X 30 ZOOM 3 LOOP 350
   AT X -30 T 300
   AT GPS 0 T 300 SECONDS 5
   AT GPS 10 ]]

But with that change of focus I don't really like "AT" any more -- what's being defined is not just a static spacetime location and view, but also the way things will change to get to that location. How about "TO"? Or even "GOTO" -- it's high time somebody brought back GOTO!

Once my crackpot syntax ideas are accepted or adapted or rejected, I'll translate the comments in the pattern below into a new test script. The idea here was to try writing down information that was easy for me to collect, to produce a potentially well-defined set of waypoints -- unambiguous, I think, at least with the right default assumptions.

I could calculate the timestamps for each waypoint, but they're actually not a natural part of the definition -- I can't just read them off from the viewer, so I'd have to stop and do math (ugh).

The comments below never mention GPS, so it could just stay at 60 ... except for the line with the 5-second delay, which is nominally GPS 0, but that should be a temporary not a permanent adjustment to GPS. If you kept GPS 0, you'd never get to the later waypoints...!

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#C sample attempt to follow a glider around in the p59 gun

#C [[ AUTOSTART THUMBNAIL X 0 Y 0 ZOOM 2 ]]

#C GOTO X 48 Y -58 T 0 ZOOM 12 SECONDS 5

#C GOTO X 80 Y -94 T 140 ZOOM 20

#C GOTO X 120 Y -52 T 310 ZOOM 16

#C GOTO X 130 Y -65 T 360 ZOOM 15

#C GOTO X 110 Y -95 T 480 ZOOM 12

#C GOTO X 75 Y -50 T 610

#C GOTO X 106 Y -50 T 675 ZOOM 10

#C GOTO X 140 Y 0 T 858 ZOOM 8

#C etc.

#C [Have to add a 90-degree ANGLE turn at each Snark, too,

#C presumably spread out over the duration of the reflection reaction.]

x = 299, y = 239, rule = B3/S23

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Posted: **February 28th, 2015, 1:05 pm**

dvgrn wrote:Seems workable -- all the functionality is there, assuming you can also set other parameters that you haven't mentioned (ANGLE, ZOOM, LAYERS, DEPTH) and they'll be interpolated the same way as X and Y parameters.

Yes this was the intention.

dvgrn wrote:No numeric interpolation for THEME and COLOUR, of course, if they're even allowed to change at waypoints... could get some interesting effects there.

I was planning on allowing a Theme change at a Waypoint (which would cross-fade as it does when you manually change Themes now). Also for multi-state rules allow you to redefine state colours.

dvgrn wrote:The exception is when a delay before or after a simulation is wanted, of course. But otherwise, won't the most common thing be to want the GPS to stay the same, even when the waypoints are different distances apart?

This is the salient point. When I first added the Waypoint editor to the full LifeViewer you correctly commented that it didn't allow you to pause during playback, since they way it was designed everything was based on T, rather than time. From this I concluded that the general case is a Waypoint would need to be defined by both time and generation. This leads to unpleasant syntax and, as you said:

dvgrn wrote:I could calculate the timestamps for each waypoint, but they're actually not a natural part of the definition -- I can't just read them off from the viewer, so I'd have to stop and do math (ugh).

Now actually you can just read the time off the Viewer. Click on the "Gen" button (hotkey"G") to toggle pattern statistics display which includes elapsed time.
The other problem with linking time and T is that the performance of the Viewer comes into play. If you have a very slow computer, or alternatively a reasonable computer but the Viewer is one of 30 on a page then it may not be possible to sustain the required gps to reach the waypoint at the right time.

My conclusion is I agree with your proposal to unlink the two concepts:

Waypoints should be generation based (T)
Add a separate command to pause for a period

This also keeps the PARAM {value} pairing habit.

How about:

T <generation> define waypoint at generation number
PAUSE <seconds> pauses at the current generation for a number of seconds

I (sadly) don't think we need the GOTO command because either we're defining a view change at a particular generation (T) or we're pausing for a number of seconds. This has the side-effect of avoiding dinosaurs.
This syntax allows the following use cases:

Fly from one camera position to another over a number of generations
Fly from one camera position to another at the same generation
Hold the camera still for a number of generations
Hold the camera still at the same generation for a period of time

Example:

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#C Camera start position
[[ X 0 Y 0 ZOOM 10 ]]
#C Define GPS and Theme
[[ GPS 10 THEME 4 ]]
#C Pause for 5 seconds at start generation (T=0)
[[ PAUSE 5 ]]
#C Move camera to first waypoint by generation 100
[[ T 100 X -20 Y -15 ZOOM 5 ]]
#C Move camera to second waypoint by generation 150
[[ T 150 X -25 Y -30 ZOOM 3.5 ANGLE 90 ]]
#C Hold camera still until generation 200
[[ T 200 ]]
#C Pause for 5 seconds at current generation
[[ PAUSE 5 ]]
#C Move camera to third waypoint by generation 300 and switch Theme
[[ T 300 X 10 Y -10 ANGLE 45 THEME 2 ]]
#C Move camera to fourth waypoint at current generation
[[ PAUSE 3 X 0 Y 0 ANGLE 0 ZOOM 10 ]]

Let me know if that makes sense or if you think I've missed any important use cases. The other thing I'm considering is allowing you to define the mode by which you travel from one waypoint to another. The default will be linear interpolation.

Posted: **February 28th, 2015, 2:39 pm**

Build 138 is now on ConwayLife.com

Posted: **February 28th, 2015, 4:07 pm**

Nathaniel wrote:Build 138 is now on ConwayLife.com

Great, many thanks.

Chris

Posted: **February 28th, 2015, 7:47 pm**

rowett wrote:Now actually you can just read the time off the Viewer. Click on the "Gen" button (hotkey"G") to toggle pattern statistics display which includes elapsed time.

Hmm, and when I change the GPS setting, a different amount of time passes per generation. What do you know... I learn something new every day. But I still don't really want to deal with time values in the context of waypoints, other than nice simple pause times.

rowett wrote:Let me know if that makes sense or if you think I've missed any important use cases.

Yes, that seems good. I don't see any good way around having two separate script commands for moving-while-paused versus moving-while-simulating.

rowett wrote:The other thing I'm considering is allowing you to define the mode by which you travel from one waypoint to another. The default will be linear interpolation.

I could imagine defining an intermediate waypoint that you have to go through on the way to the real destination, and the system would figure out a smooth curve. Could also work with an intermediate zoom level that's way more zoomed out than the end points. That would allow for Google-Earth-like jumps from one place to another, for example.

And is there any hope of being able to associate text with a location eventually, so that a label can be made to pop up for a while at a waypoint, then fade out so you can see the actual item in question? I know from my time working at a mapping company that label support is somewhere between a headache and a nightmare in practice, but it sure is a nice idea in theory --! Even single-letter reference labels would be a lot better than no labels at all.

Alternatively, maybe it's possible to support something like LifeHistory state 4, which allows at least rough labels to be drawn in the pattern itself without getting in the way of the pattern's evolution. But that seems less likely somehow, and certainly it'd be harder to make it universally available.

Posted: **February 28th, 2015, 10:46 pm**

Uh-oh, a fresh new bug report for Build 138:

gameoflifeboy wrote:By the way, the viewer seems to run all patterns in Life, whether they are or not. It didn't do that yesterday.

Posted: **March 1st, 2015, 3:01 am**

dvgrn wrote:Uh-oh, a fresh new bug report for Build 138:

gameoflifeboy wrote:By the way, the viewer seems to run all patterns in Life, whether they are or not. It didn't do that yesterday.

Ouch. Fixed in Build 139. Nathaniel if you'd be kind enough to do the honours...

Posted: **March 1st, 2015, 8:39 am**

rowett wrote:Ouch. Fixed in Build 139. Nathaniel if you'd be kind enough to do the honours...

Done, thanks for the quick fix.

Posted: **March 1st, 2015, 8:24 pm**

dvgrn wrote:And is there any hope of being able to associate text with a location eventually, so that a label can be made to pop up for a while at a waypoint, then fade out so you can see the actual item in question?

Yes that should be fine. Would you want them positioned relative to the pattern or the camera?

On an entirely unrelated note: it turns out that 10 bucks on a Delta flight buys you an hour of WiFi with about as much bandwidth as I remember from a 56K modem.

Posted: **March 2nd, 2015, 3:00 am**

rowett wrote:
dvgrn wrote:And is there any hope of being able to associate text with a location eventually, so that a label can be made to pop up for a while at a waypoint, then fade out so you can see the actual item in question?
Yes that should be fine. Would you want them positioned relative to the pattern or the camera?

I was thinking of associating them with waypoints, but text describing the action might be nice sometimes, popping up during a PAUSE in the middle of the screen, or along the top or bottom of the viewer window during a pan from one waypoint to the next.

Lots of possibilities. To be honest, of course, the market for this feature may be mostly me, at least for the moment -- it's not clear that there's a huge demand for annotated patterns... Heinrich Koenig included a label format in his private RLE markup system, but even he never used it much. Same with the (unimplemented?) label tag in the old Xlife format.

Posted: **March 7th, 2015, 1:29 am**

Just noticed today that LifeHistory state 5, which shows up yellow in Golly, currently comes out gray in the viewer, like state 6 LifeHistory in Golly (see the colors list).

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x = 211, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory

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State 6 comes out a dark blue, and it doesn't seem to be included when the pattern is automatically centered. The same is true for states 2 and 4, not surprisingly:

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x = 171, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory

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State 4 at least is used for labels a lot, and should probably be assumed to be part of what's supposed to be displayed, if that isn't too much trouble.

Posted: **March 7th, 2015, 6:01 am**

dvgrn wrote:Just noticed today that LifeHistory state 5, which shows up yellow in Golly, currently comes out gray in the viewer, like state 6 LifeHistory in Golly (see the colors list).

Well spotted. It's an omission in the Colour Set for LifeHistory. I've fixed it in build 140 (which is not ready for release yet since there are a number of other changes I'm still working on). However here is a screenshot of the colours once the fix is applied. Let me know if they look correct.

Posted: **March 7th, 2015, 10:08 am**

dvgrn wrote:State 4 at least is used for labels a lot, and should probably be assumed to be part of what's supposed to be displayed, if that isn't too much trouble.

Sorry I missed this the first time I read it. Even number states for LifeHistory are assumed to be "dead" cells so are not counting in the "fit zoom" calculation. This should only be true if not in VIEWONLY mode when the pattern is reduced to two states for execution. I'll fix it.

Posted: **March 7th, 2015, 12:12 pm**

Dave,
You can test out the beta version of Build 140 which should get the LifeHistory colours and centring right:
http://lazyslug.no-ip.biz/lifeview/plugin/test.html

Changes in this build:

added notification if grid lines are switched on or off when the grid lines can't be displayed (due to ZOOM or ANGLE)
menus now work correctly when Canvas is contained in a style="position:fixed;" div
added missing LifeHistory colour state
LifeHistory patterns now center correctly when in VIEWONLY mode
Existing Viewer can be given a new pattern to display

You'll notice on my test.html page that each pattern has a "View Standalone" button. When clicked it will reveal a fixed position Viewer at the top right of the display. This is an alternative mode to the inline Viewers we have today. Perhaps we could use it when people use the <code> block rather than the <viewer> block and in the <code> block header have a link to "Display in Viewer"... just a thought.

Oh and please don't get overexcited... although the help lists Waypoint commands and they don't cause script errors they're not implemented yet

Posted: **March 7th, 2015, 3:50 pm**

rowett wrote:Dave,
You can test out the beta version of Build 140 which should get the LifeHistory colours and centring right:
http://lazyslug.no-ip.biz/lifeview/plugin/test.html

Is it a beta version because it's still calling itself "Build 139"? Otherwise things are looking pretty good -- LifeHistory colors and centering and so forth.

The viewer definitely does slow down quite a bit when there are that many instances on one page, but it still seems to be quite well-behaved. Would it speed up much if the started/autostarted viewers only ran simulations while they were actually visible? No idea if a viewer can tell whether it has scrolled off the screen or not... but maybe there could be a shortcut to say "Pause all viewers besides this one", or something like that.

-- Or not. Maybe I'm just causing trouble because of that tantalizing mention of waypoints in the Help, which I can't wait to try out...

Posted: **March 7th, 2015, 4:07 pm**

dvgrn wrote:Is it a beta version because it's still calling itself "Build 139"?

No it was beta because I was halfway through implementing some changes so there was known broken stuff in there (as opposed to the unknown broken stuff yet to be discovered...).

Build 140 is now released and I'll now continue working on the Waypoint system.

dvgrn wrote:The viewer definitely does slow down quite a bit when there are that many instances on one page, but it still seems to be quite well-behaved. Would it speed up much if the started/autostarted viewers only ran simulations while they were actually visible? No idea if a viewer can tell whether it has scrolled off the screen or not... but maybe there could be a shortcut to say "Pause all viewers besides this one", or something like that.

Yes the speed is proportional to the number of running simulations (and the gps they're running at). It would be relatively simple to add a "stop all other viewers" command. I'll also see if a viewer can tell when it's not visible.

Did you try the "View Standalone" feature?

Posted: **March 9th, 2015, 12:13 am**

rowett wrote:Did you try the "View Standalone" feature?

I did. Seems to work well, and it seems like it could be quite useful when patterns are interspersed with text -- you can scroll up and down to read nearby paragraphs and not lose what you're looking at. I'm not sure how this would fit in with the conwaylife.com forums exactly... Is there also the possibility of a standalone viewer popping up in a floating window?

Speaking of scrolling, I just re-tested in Google Chrome, the case where the very top of the viewer is scrolled off the screen and you click the Play button (or Pause or whatever). The viewer autoscrolls onto the screen, but the button click is lost and has to be re-done.

I know this has come up before, but now I can't remember whether it was fixed at one point. If so, it has subsequently regressed...! EDIT: Nope, January 26th email, no fix reported -- looks like it wasn't one of the easily solvable items.

Posted: **March 9th, 2015, 6:45 am**

dvgrn wrote:Seems to work well, and it seems like it could be quite useful when patterns are interspersed with text -- you can scroll up and down to read nearby paragraphs and not lose what you're looking at.

Exactly. I designed the feature to make the Viewer easier to use in other websites (including the LifeWiki). You could imagine a page with several patterns, or links to patterns, and then the ability to click on any pattern and have a single Viewer appear to play it.

dvgrn wrote:I'm not sure how this would fit in with the conwaylife.com forums exactly...

I find myself often frustrated when reading an interesting thread where <viewer> tags are not used. Whilst that in itself is perfectly fine (not everyone wants embedded Viewers littering their posts) I realised I was just wanting to click something on the pattern and have a Viewer pop up so I could quickly see what was being discussed.
I was imagining Nathaniel doing something clever with the forum (similar to my simple test page) such that we could have a single Viewer, initially hidden, at a fixed position on the page. For <code> blocks we could add another link (next to CODE: Select All) that said something like (Show in Viewer) that would unhide the Viewer with the pattern from the code block.
I've created a sample of this here: http://lazyslug.no-ip.biz/lifeview/plug ... alone.html

dvgrn wrote:Speaking of scrolling, I just re-tested in Google Chrome, the case where the very top of the viewer is scrolled off the screen and you click the Play button (or Pause or whatever). The viewer autoscrolls onto the screen, but the button click is lost and has to be re-done.

Apologies I did look at this when you reported it but failed to give you feedback. The issue is as follows:
When you click on a button two things happen: mouse down (as you press the button) and mouse up (when you release the button). The button's action gets executed on mouse up assuming the mouse pointer is over the button at the time.
If the Viewer is not fully on the display then mouse down causes the Viewer to get focus and the browser (helpfully) scrolls the window so the Viewer is fully visible. If you now mouse up (release the mouse button) then the mouse pointer is no longer over the button, since the window scrolled, and so nothing happens.

Posted: **March 13th, 2015, 6:46 pm**

rowett wrote:I was imagining Nathaniel doing something clever with the forum (similar to my simple test page) such that we could have a single Viewer, initially hidden, at a fixed position on the page. For <code> blocks we could add another link (next to CODE: Select All) that said something like (Show in Viewer) that would unhide the Viewer with the pattern from the code block.
I've created a sample of this here: http://lazyslug.no-ip.biz/lifeview/plug ... alone.html

OK so I got sidetracked by this...
The Viewer will now, in the sample forum page in the standalone.html link above, search automatically for <code> blocks and add a "Show in Viewer" link. When clicked this will open a standalone Viewer which you can freely move around the window by dragging the title bar. You can close it by clicking on "Hide Viewer" in the title bar or replace it with another pattern by clicking a different <code> block "Show in Viewer" link.
The only enhancement would be to have the Viewer check whether a <code> block actually contains a valid pattern before adding the "Show in Viewer" link.
Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Chris

Posted: **March 14th, 2015, 5:51 pm**

rowett wrote:The only enhancement would be to have the Viewer check whether a <code> block actually contains a valid pattern before adding the "Show in Viewer" link.

The latest build now checks whether the code block contains a valid pattern before adding the link.

Posted: **March 14th, 2015, 6:01 pm**

Build 141 is now available on the lazyslug server.

added hotkey "Z" to stop playback in all other LifeViewers
- help information now shows number of viewers that are playing
re-enabled scrolling the error list
inverted cursor keys to align with Golly
<code> blocks on the forum containing a valid pattern will now get a "Show in Viewer" link that when clicked will open a standalone Viewer in a moveable window
added script command [[ STEP 1..10 ]] that defines generations per step
- the gps slider controls steps per second
- the display is only updated at the end of each step

This build contains enhancements requested by forum members. However we should probably decide whether the new <code> block enhancement is OK before publishing.
The waypoint commands are present in this build but playback is not yet implemented.

Posted: **March 17th, 2015, 5:27 pm**

Build 142 contains the initial implementation of the Waypoint system.

Script command [[ T {generation} ]] defines a waypoint at the specified generation
Script command [[ PAUSE {seconds} ]] pauses Life for the specified number of seconds
Both the [[ T ]] and [[ PAUSE ]] commands can be followed by camera setting commands
- [[ X ]] to set the target camera X position
- [[ Y ]] to set the target camera Y position
- [[ ZOOM ]] to set the target camera zoom
- [[ ANGLE ]] to set the target camera angle
- [[ LAYERS ]] to set the number of layers
- [[ DEPTH ]] to set the layer depth
Text in double quotes is displayed for the duration of the waypoint [[ "This is a message" ]]

The following limitations currently apply:

The initial [[ GPS ]] setting is used for all waypoints
Linear interpolation is used between waypoints
Colour themes can not be changed at waypoints
Play does not work in VIEWONLY mode
Play stops after the final waypoint
There is no way to disable waypoint mode once specified
Only limited error checking and validation is performed

These will all be addressed in a future build.

Example pattern using waypoints is here:
http://lazyslug.no-ip.biz/lifeview/plugin/test.html

Feedback welcome...

ConwayLife.com

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