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Re: Predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: February 27th, 2021, 2:41 pm
by otismo
First of all, calling a process
Evolutionary when it is, in fact,
Simple Progression
only furthers the mis-understanding of
Evolution and promotes the slang usage of
evolutionary, etc.
Life patterns
Progress; they definitely do NOT evolve.
Your interest in Predecessors seems to be LowBit/SmallBoundingBox/EdgeShootable -
I am interested in HighBit/MaxGens/FireClouds - like this 18bit Pulsar Predecessor :
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x = 11, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
b3o3b3o$b3o3b3o$o3bobo3bo$2bo5bo!
My interest in Predecessors would seem to be included per the title of this thread;
would my stuff be clutter ?
Thank You !
Cheers !
Re: Predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: February 27th, 2021, 5:51 pm
by MathAndCode
otismo wrote: February 27th, 2021, 2:41 pmMy interest in Predecessors would seem to be included per the title of this thread;
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I have clarified the title.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: February 28th, 2021, 9:28 am
by hotdogPi
I posted this into the "accidental discoveries" thread. 9 cells creates a very long ship plus a few other things. I know it's a rare object, but I still found it interesting.
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x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
o2$5ob2o$6bo!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: February 28th, 2021, 1:47 pm
by MathAndCode
hotdogPi wrote: February 28th, 2021, 9:28 am
I posted this into the "accidental discoveries" thread. 9 cells creates a very long ship plus a few other things. I know it's a rare object, but I still found it interesting.
Generation 32 gives a nine-cell parent for a clean very long ship if one replaces the duoplet with a dot spark.
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x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$4bo$b2o$o3bo$bo$bo!
I was able to modify it in order to yield other nine-cell parents.
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x = 25, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
14bo8bo$3b2o8bo9bo$4bo9bo9bo$b2o8b2obo6b2obo$o3bo5bo9bo$bo9bo9bo$bo9b
o9bo4$14bo8bo$3b2o8bo9bo$4bo9bo9bo$b2o8b2obo6b2obo$o3bo5bo9bo$bo9bo9b
o$o9bo9bo4$14bo8bo$3b2o8bo9bo$4bo9bo9bo$b2o8b2obo6b2obo$o3bo5bo9bo$2o
8b2o8b2o!
I'll add those to the list now. Thank you.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: March 7th, 2021, 11:40 pm
by otismo
12 cell JC Predecessor 3x9 12cell :
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x = 9, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
2o5b2o$b2o3b2o$2o5b2o!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: March 8th, 2021, 12:20 am
by MathAndCode
otismo wrote: March 7th, 2021, 11:40 pm
12 cell JC Predecessor 3x9 12cell :
Those are just two pi-sequences, each of which requires only five cells.
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x = 11, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
bo7bo$2bo5bo$2bo5bo$b2o5b2o6$9bo$b2o5bo$2bo5bo$2bo5b2o$bo6$2bo5bo$ob2o
3b2obo$2bo5bo!
Also, the dead spark coil isn't very common. If you want to be helpful, please try to find small predecessors for long barges, aircraft carriers, long ships, integrals, or any objects already covered for which I missed minimally sized predecessors.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: April 10th, 2021, 9:25 am
by hotdogPi
Beethoven requires only 7.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: April 11th, 2021, 8:21 pm
by MathAndCode
hotdogPi wrote: April 10th, 2021, 9:25 am
Beethoven requires only 7.
Thank you. I have added it.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: April 12th, 2021, 9:32 am
by hotdogPi
Here are five more patterns to add:
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x = 36, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo14bo2bo13bo$o3bo13b4o10b4o$bo3bo26bo$2bobo$3bo17$17b8o18$20b2o
$19bo2bo$19b4o!
The top three are sparks. The table and the Z-hexomino are probably minimal, but there could be some 6-cell predecessors. The one on the left is likely not minimal.
The constellation forming from a line of 8 is seen often enough (although probably not from the line of 8 itself). I don't think it's possible with 6, but I can't rule out 7 (even though it's symmetrical, it doesn't have to begin that way).
The last one is the interchange with spacing 4 (the most common form by far) — I'm surprised you haven't included it yet.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: May 5th, 2021, 9:52 pm
by MathAndCode
I just added a bunch of still lives to the list. Please let me know if I made any errors or omitted any predecessors with minimal population.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: May 5th, 2021, 10:16 pm
by praosylen
MathAndCode wrote: May 5th, 2021, 9:52 pm
I just added a bunch of still lives to the list. Please let me know if I made any errors or omitted any predecessors with minimal population.
Looks mostly good to me, although I didn't go through to check every single predecessor if I knew of multiple at a given minimum population. Here's an 8-cell hat predecessor, the only one I know of but not necessarily the only one that exists:
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x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2bo2$b3o2$2bo$obobo!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: May 5th, 2021, 10:49 pm
by MathAndCode
A for awesome wrote: May 5th, 2021, 10:16 pmLooks mostly good to me, although I didn't go through to check every single predecessor if I knew of multiple at a given minimum population. Here's an 8-cell hat predecessor, the only one I know of but not necessarily the only one that exists:
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x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2bo2$b3o2$2bo$obobo!
Thank you. I have added it and the six ten-cell predecessors of boat tie ship.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: May 19th, 2021, 8:29 am
by hotdogPi
Here's an even more edgeshootable traffic light predecessor. The four on the left are the ones you already have, and the one on the right is the new one.
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x = 53, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
b3o7b3o6b5o6b5o14b2o$o3bo5bo3bo15bo5bo13bo$10bo3bo36bo$51b2o!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: May 19th, 2021, 4:53 pm
by MathAndCode
According to
Achim Flammenkamp's census page, a very long boat has an eight-cell predecessor, and a very long ship at least has a dirty eight-cell predecessor. However, I can't seem to find very long boat predecessors with fewer than nine cells, and I have no idea what the eight-cell dirty long ship predecessor is/predecessors are. Does anyone know what patterns Achim Flammenkamp was referring to?
hotdogPi wrote: May 19th, 2021, 8:29 am
Here's an even more edgeshootable traffic light predecessor. The four on the left are the ones you already have, and the one on the right is the new one.
I'm interested in tracking edgeshootable predecessors, not edgeshooting predecessors. The predecessor on the right edgeshoots a shield pentaplet, which I already have listed as an edgeshootable predecessor.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: July 17th, 2021, 9:44 am
by hotdogPi
You might want to add these three. The first two I posted in another thread (the naming proposals thread, without giving a name myself), and you (the OP) commented on it, and the third is in a late generation but is the most recognizable generation of the pattern to me. (I feel like the second one is also in a late generation, but what I do with my program requires using patterns after they've all converged, while the purpose of this thread is different.)
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x = 45, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
41b2o$20b2o18bo2bo$2o17bo2bo17bo2bo$o2bo15bo20b2ob2o$ob2o16bo2bo16bo2b
o$21b2o18b2o!
Since the honey farm with 6 cells entry is so large, you might want to split it into four subcategories: these three and "other".
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x = 38, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b3o14b3o13b3o$b2obo13b3o12bob2o$o3bo12bo3bo11bo3bo$ob2o14b3o13b3o$b3o
14b3o13b3o!
Do we have a list anywhere of absolutely everything that can be made with 6 cells?
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: July 17th, 2021, 11:03 am
by MathAndCode
hotdogPi wrote: July 17th, 2021, 9:44 amCode: Select all
x = 45, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
41b2o$20b2o18bo2bo$2o17bo2bo17bo2bo$o2bo15bo20b2ob2o$ob2o16bo2bo16bo2b
o$21b2o18b2o!
The right one only requires seven cells.
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x = 7, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
o$bob4o$2bo!
However, I don't plan to add any of them because they aren't very common, they don't have well-defined names, and I am seeking to focus on adding still lives now.
hotdogPi wrote: July 17th, 2021, 9:44 amSince the honey farm with 6 cells entry is so large, you might want to split it into four subcategories: these three and "other".
This thread was originally made to answer the question, "Why is so-and-so pattern so common?" I don't see how splitting up a category would serve that purpose.
hotdogPi wrote: July 17th, 2021, 9:44 amDo we have a list anywhere of absolutely everything that can be made with 6 cells?
not that I know of
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: October 5th, 2021, 5:47 pm
by MathAndCode
hotdogPi wrote: August 25th, 2021, 8:02 pm
Finally found a name: long bun
Now that it has a name, I have added the minimally-sized predecessors that I could find for it to the first post.
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x = 374, y = 66, rule = B3/S23
268bo25bo17bo39bobo$64bo53bo57bo27bo63bobo23bobo16b2o18b2o17bo$10bobo
21bobo3bo17bobo28b2o3bo18b2o31bobo3bo17bobo35bo19bo3bo99bo$10bo3b3o17b
o3b2o18bo3b2o24bo3b2o18bo3b2o29bo2b2o19bo2b2o29b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o34b2o23b
2o16b3o37b3o$13bo24bo23bo29bo23bo33bo23bo31bo23bo37b2o25b2o16bo18b3o18b
o$333bo24$370b2o$4bo19bo19bo20bo20bo223b2o31bobo22b2obo$6bo18bo18bo19b
o19bo26b2o2bo24b2o2bo23bobo2bo23bobo2bo170bo$6bo19bo19bo19bo19bo24bob
o26bobo26bobo26bobo37b2o32bobo34bo33bo26bo$4bo19bo19bo19bo19bo25bo2bo
24bo3bo25bo2bo24bo3bo37bob2o31bob2o32b2o32b2o$4b3o17b3o17b3o17b3o17b3o
149bo2bo31bo2bo35b2o32b2o27$3bo$o3bo$b2obo20bo2b2o18bo2bo19bo2bo$o24b
2o21b2o2bo18b2o$25bobo20bobo20bobobo!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: October 19th, 2021, 4:45 pm
by Awashbu12
I made this and it ended up being a seven generation predecessor for Kok’s Galaxy.
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Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: October 19th, 2021, 6:16 pm
by MathAndCode
Awashbu12 wrote: October 19th, 2021, 4:45 pm
I made this and it ended up being a seven generation predecessor for Kok’s Galaxy. 58C916F3-DDD2-429C-985D-C1BFCC7C8769.jpeg
Wow! That's impressive! Unfortunately, Kok's galaxy doesn't qualify as common (with no C1 or G1 soups), so I don't want to add it.
By the way, for the future, it is recommended to provide patterns as RLEs in [co
de][/co
de] tags so that other people can run them more easily, such as the following for your pattern.
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x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$2o5bo$obo3bo$3bobo$4bo$3bobo$2bo3bobo$bo5b2o$b2o!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: October 19th, 2021, 6:25 pm
by apg
Awashbu12 wrote: October 19th, 2021, 4:45 pm
I made this and it ended up being a seven generation predecessor for Kok’s Galaxy.
That's how Jan Kok first discovered his galaxy. Nice re-discovery!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: November 12th, 2021, 5:12 pm
by EvinZL
MathAndCode wrote: May 19th, 2021, 4:53 pm
According to
Achim Flammenkamp's census page, a very long boat has an eight-cell predecessor, and a very long ship at least has a dirty eight-cell predecessor. However, I can't seem to find very long boat predecessors with fewer than nine cells, and I have no idea what the eight-cell dirty long ship predecessor is/predecessors are. Does anyone know what patterns Achim Flammenkamp was referring to?
hotdogPi wrote: May 19th, 2021, 8:29 am
Here's an even more edgeshootable traffic light predecessor. The four on the left are the ones you already have, and the one on the right is the new one.
I'm interested in tracking edgeshootable predecessors, not edgeshooting predecessors. The predecessor on the right edgeshoots a shield pentaplet, which I already have listed as an edgeshootable predecessor.
Interestingly, that predecessor is edgeshootable:
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x = 10, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
8bo$7b2o$7bobo2$b2o$o2bo$o2bo$b2o2$3b2o$3bobo$3bo!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: November 14th, 2021, 6:05 pm
by MathAndCode
EvinZL wrote: November 12th, 2021, 5:12 pmInterestingly, that predecessor is edgeshootable:
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x = 10, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
8bo$7b2o$7bobo2$b2o$o2bo$o2bo$b2o2$3b2o$3bobo$3bo!
Thank you for informing me. I have added it to the list of edgeshootable traffic light predecessors.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: September 3rd, 2023, 4:22 pm
by MathAndCode
Is a skewed paperclip common enough that this ten-cell predecessor should be added to the first post?
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x = 4, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o2$2b2o$2o2$b2o$3bo!
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: November 24th, 2023, 3:52 pm
by HerscheltheHerschel
MathAndCode wrote: September 3rd, 2023, 4:22 pm
Is a skewed paperclip common enough that this ten-cell predecessor should be added to the first post?
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x = 4, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o2$2b2o$2o2$b2o$3bo!
It's not in the list of common still lives, so I guess no.
Re: Small predecessors of common objects and evolutionary sequences
Posted: March 1st, 2025, 3:02 am
by hth3
Boat tie pi
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x = 6, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$5bo$5bo$o3bo$b3o!