I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

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I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by dani » April 1st, 2018, 12:03 am

Golly, it turns out that lightspeed spaceships are actually possible after all!

Until recently, it seemed impossible. People haven't attempted to make a ship like this because it didn't seem to fit into mathematics. I don't think we realized that this is CGoL we're talking about, so I worked and worked for the past year and a half to combine wave reactions and lightspeed bubble rakes.

Like most ships, it's very big, however I was able to reduce its size significantly down to what can fit inside a codebox!

Legibility of RLE is questionable at times, but please believe me!

It consists of a lightspeed wave puffer puffing tubs, being stabilized at the ends by gliders, and said gliders are fed back into the lightspeed rake by an external device.

But I had a fun time making it.

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x = 10207, y = 10085, rule = B3/S23
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2bo!
Let it run in HashLife at around 8^10, it's a very high period mechanism.

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by Kazyan » April 1st, 2018, 4:27 am

Hah, nice job, using the lightspeed telegraph's beehive chain as a lightspeed helix (can we call it that?) is a cute way of getting around the vacuum speed propagation problems.

Running under hashlife isn't necessary to see how it works, but I can see why it came out so high-period--pretty much every reaction is coprime with one another!

EDIT: Alright, fun's over. To avoid confusing future historians, this is an April Fool's joke.
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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by dvgrn » April 1st, 2018, 10:29 am

Speaking of spaceships, it appears that apgsearch has chosen an auspicious day to finally find a loafer-producing soup:

http://catagolue.appspot.com/object?apgcode=xq7_3nw17862z6952&rule=b3s23

Here's the soup in question:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
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booobbobbbbbbooo$
obbbooboboobbobb$
bobbobbobbbboboo$
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obb5obbbobbbobbb$
bbbboobobooobobb$
oobbboboboobbboo!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 2 PAUSE 7 GPS 2 LOOP 20 AUTOSTART ]]

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#C Oddly enough, the same soup also produces
#C interesting results in other rules:
#C http://catagolue.appspot.com/object?apgcode=xs146_sa9as0v99960v999m011v110vzr888b0j888g0j888j0q23220jaaaizv22xfgggf0fgggf0vgggg09iiic&rule=b78s12345678
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B78/S12345678
bbbobbobobooboob$
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boobbbbbbbbbbboo$
boooobbbboobbbob$
obb5obbbobbbobbb$
bbbboobobooobobb$
oobbboboboobbboo!

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by Majestas32 » April 1st, 2018, 1:17 pm

Suspicious. Can't see any xq7 section on b3s23/C1
Searching:
b2-a5k6n7cs12-i3ij4k5j8
b2-a3c7cs12-i

Currently looking for help searching these rules.

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by AforAmpere » April 1st, 2018, 5:54 pm

Majestas32 wrote:Suspicious. Can't see any xq7 section on b3s23/C1
It's in super small print. You have to use a special computer to be able to magnify the page enough.
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by 77topaz » April 1st, 2018, 5:56 pm

Majestas32 wrote:Suspicious. Can't see any xq7 section on b3s23/C1
Well, duh, he posted that on April Fools and that apgcode in the bottom section of the post leads to a pattern that says so. If you look at that soup on the loafer's object page, it's not coloured black, implying it's in some other symmetry - almost certainly a hacked apgsearch on dvgrn's part.

EDIT: Oh, wait, never mind, the explanation is even simpler than that. Dave Greene's post's link's text suggests it leads to http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xq7 ... 6952/b3s23, but it actually links to http://cranemtn.com/catagolue.appspot.c ... _b3s23.htm, a page just made to look like Catagolue.

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by praosylen » April 1st, 2018, 8:03 pm

This is what the real soup, generated from the actual catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup, does:

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by Saka » April 2nd, 2018, 3:11 am

About dvgrn's April Fool's prank, he also edited some of the comments of the loafer page.
Catagolue page on loafer wrote:On 2017-01-09 at 08:59:11 UTC, 27saka.fitrady wrote:

after 187 objects and 9060814727022 loaves, nope, not yet.
Dvgrn on his modded Catagolue page wrote:On 2018-03-31 at 08:59:11 UTC, 27saka.fitrady wrote:

after 187 objects and 9060814727022 loaves... FINALLY a loafer has arrived!
There's also this one on the modded Catagolue page
Dvgrn on his modded Catagolue page wrote:On 2018-4-01 at 02:03:04 UTC, Someone wrote:

Hang on, there's something odd going on here.
Very sneaky... :wink:

Also, that was me who posted the "2016-12-22 comment" :P

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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by calcyman » April 2nd, 2018, 3:21 am

It's worth saying that Dave has still done something nontrivial here, namely finding a 7-tick predecessor of a loafer in a 16-by-16 box. To get this into actual Catagolue, he now needs to find a SHA-256 preimage of this soup (which is even more nontrivial).
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Re: I have constructed a lightspeed spaceship in B3/S23!

Post by muzik » April 2nd, 2018, 5:39 am

Still better than this piece of junk:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
o5bob3ob2obo$b2ob2o2bob2ob3o$11bo3bo$12bobo$b2o2bobo3bobobo$bobo2b2obo
2bo2bo$b3o9b3o$12b4o$8bo3b4o$obo3b3o4b3o$obo2bo6bo2bo$6bo6bobo$b2o4b2o
2bo2b2o$11bo2b2o$o3bo6bob3o$2obo2b2ob7o!

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