Soup search results
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Re: Soup search results
yep, it formed a contiguous range up to 47k
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Re: Soup search results
Natural unix on clock in C1, found by Adam P. Goucher:
Interestingly, it forms almost the exact same way as the known synthesis forms it.
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Re: Soup search results
something differentCode: Select all
x = 69, y = 68, rule = B3/S23 14$57bo2bo$57bo3bo$55bo4bo$54bo2b3o$54b3o$52b2o$51bobo$51b2o$49b2o$48b obo$48b2o$46b2o$45bobo$45b2o$43b2o$42bobo$42b2o$40b2o$39bobo$39b2o$37b 2o$36bobo$36b2o$34b2o$33bobo$33b2o$31b2o$30bobo$30b2o$28b2o$27bobo$27b 2o$25b2o$24bobo$24b2o$22b2o$21bobo$23bo$19b2obo$22bo$22bo$19bobo$20bo!
A for awesome wrote: ↑May 8th, 2020, 6:05 pmNatural unix on clock in C1, found by Adam P. Goucher:Interestingly, it forms almost the exact same way as the known synthesis forms it.Code: Select all
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23 bbobobobooobbobb$ booboobboobooooo$ obbboobboobboobb$ oooboobobbbbobbo$ bbbbooboobooobbb$ ooobbboobboboobo$ bboobobbbooooobo$ obobbboooobooboo$ obboobbobboboooo$ ooooooobbobbobbo$ bboobbooboobbbbo$ obbbbbbobbbbobbb$ bboobooooooobooo$ obobboobbobooboo$ oobbobooooobbbbb$ bobbboooobbbooob!

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Re: Soup search results
15bit still life update: After a nice cluster of four new xs15s in the last ten days, there are now fifteen remaining to appear in C1.
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Re: Soup search results
We are getting an immense number of illegitimate hauls to C1 today from 'Anonymous'  150,000,000soup hauls (with only about 2.2 million objects each) are coming in every 16 to 18 seconds. An attack of some sort?
Re: Soup search results
We've got a second loafer soup, in G1 this time. Not sure if it's old/uninteresting news, I've only just noticed it now.
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obooboobbboboobb$
boboobbboobboobo$
bbobboobbboooobb$
bobooobboobobboo$
bboboobbooboboob$
obbobobobobobbob$
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Re: Soup search results
Amazing! And of course it was found by none other than Rob Liston. The loafer appears a bit later than in the first soup.
Will Rob Liston get the "Loafer" badge like John Goodman, or not? Since this was submitted in G1
Will Rob Liston get the "Loafer" badge like John Goodman, or not? Since this was submitted in G1
Re: Soup search results
Attribute function says it was found yesterday:
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*** xq7_3nw17862z6952 ***
Soup k_7GHmhF2BNuxN28242308 was found on 20200401 at 08:50:46 UTC and is owned by John Goodman
Soup k_fJGreMjvjkiw903275149 was found on 20200602 at 21:56:54 UTC and is owned by rliston@gmail.com
Re: Soup search results
Yes, b3s23/C1 and b3s23/G1 are both valid censuses for producing user 'discoveries' (and, by extension, badges).
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Re: Soup search results
The first yl96 in asymmetry has appeared, found of course by Rob Liston:
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boobbbooobooobbb$
oboobooboobooboo$
booobobbobbbbobb$
oobbboobbboobbbb$
obooooobobooooob$
bbobbboooobobobb$
bbboobbobobbbbob$
boobbobobobooobo$
bobboobobobobooo$
obbbobobobboboob$
bobbbboobooboobo$
obbobooobboobbbo$
bbbobboboobbobbb$
boobooobobobobob$
bobbobobbbbboobo$
oobbooobbboobobb!
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Re: Soup search results
If switch engines are quite common, what's the chance of a 2engine Cordership spontaneously appearing in soup?
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Re: Soup search results
Zero. It's ridiculous (a 2EC is larger than the 16by16 square seed).Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 2:00 amIf switch engines are quite common, what's the chance of a 2engine Cordership spontaneously appearing in soup?
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!
Re: Soup search results
False claim. A twin bee shuttle is also much larger than 16x16 and for that matter, there's several 2engine Corderpuffer occuring naturally.Freywa wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 2:05 amZero. It's ridiculous (a 2EC is larger than the 16by16 square seed).Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 2:00 amIf switch engines are quite common, what's the chance of a 2engine Cordership spontaneously appearing in soup?
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When I said "zero" I meant "zero in the sense of statistical mechanics".
The Corderships rely on laying down and deleting blocks on their edges to move. There is also a bunch of junk at the backend that needs to selfcancel in order to leave no debris. The chance of both these things popping out of random ash is about the same as the chance an idealised monkey will type the witches' first speech in Macbeth.
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!
Re: Soup search results
Disagree. Despite having a nice mechanism, 2EC only needs 2 switch engines and nothing else.Freywa wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 4:24 amWhen I said "zero" I meant "zero in the sense of statistical mechanics".
The Corderships rely on laying down and deleting blocks on their edges to move. There is also a bunch of junk at the backend that needs to selfcancel in order to leave no debris. The chance of both these things popping out of random ash is about the same as the chance an idealised monkey will type the witches' first speech in Macbeth.
More or less, though, this is handwaving. We'll never know until one pops out.
Re: Soup search results
You did not need to say that. Waiting for any object to come out of apgsearch soups is like waiting for atoms of superheavy elements to be produced in a collider – the individual occurrences are random, but even if no instances have appeared we can at least estimate how often they might appear. Of course, the very small probabilities complicate the analysis, but it's not handwaving.
You are blindly arguing with me for the sake of arguing. You have probably not considered the solid statistics we have compiled over the years running apgsearch on machines of all stripes.
Now, everyone wants to be famous from making discoveries, but they should back away from that aim… we are standing on the shoulders of giants.
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!
Re: Soup search results
AGF please. There's just thousands of arrangement of two SEs.Freywa wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 4:57 amYou did not need to say that. Waiting for any object to come out of apgsearch soups is like waiting for atoms of superheavy elements to be produced in a collider – the individual occurrences are random, but even if no instances have appeared we can at least estimate how often they might appear. Of course, the very small probabilities complicate the analysis, but it's not handwaving.
You are blindly arguing with me for the sake of arguing. You have probably not considered the solid statistics we have compiled over the years running apgsearch on machines of all stripes.
Now, everyone wants to be famous from making discoveries, but they should back away from that aim… we are standing on the shoulders of giants.
You are on a paradox. 999999999 soups is much larger than 1 soup, but the 999999999 soups does not contain a loafer does not mean the 1 soup can't.
Re: Soup search results
I think you've just lost and will not argue the matter with you further.
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3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!
Re: Soup search results
Hunting's points are perfectly valid, and therefore Hunting is not the one who lost this argument. We do get pairs of switch engines out of soups all the time, and there's no reason why two of them might not show up with the specific offset required for a 2engine Cordership. The odds are low, but very far from zero. Once the switch engines are in position, all that's required is a little bit more luck in the positioning of junk behind them, and the Cordership will be on its way.
It's not even terribly unlikely that a 16x16 soup could be engineered that produces a 2engine Cordership. If that can be done, then I guess we could set a definite nonzero lower bound on the probability of appearance  something like one chance in 2^253 to account for eight orientations of the soup.
Really the lower bound would be much higher than that, because if one soup exists then there are probably gajillions of variants of it. Here's a 20x18 sample that can probably be packed into 16x16 with some effort:
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x = 20, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8b4o$8bo3bo2$10b3o7$15b2o$bo13b2o$obo5bo$6b2ob2o$3o2bo3b2o7b2o$6b
2ob2o7b2o$6b4o!
Re: Soup search results
Yes, Hunting lost upon saying "AGF". I did not say at any time that the probability was exactly zero. Rather, I said that it could appear, and it could definitely appear like Rich's p16, but the chances are less than those required for an exotic switch engine puffer pair to appear.
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!
Re: Soup search results
If your original response Freywa wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 6:02 amYes, Hunting lost upon saying "AGF". I did not say at any time that the probability was exactly zero. Rather, I said that it could appear, and it could definitely appear like Rich's p16, but the chances are less than those required for an exotic switch engine puffer pair to appear.
 is meant to imply that the probability was not exactly zero, then you should probably get in the habit of being much more careful with your wording.Freywa wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 2:05 amZero. It's ridiculous (a 2EC is larger than the 16by16 square seed).Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 2:00 amIf switch engines are quite common, what's the chance of a 2engine Cordership spontaneously appearing in soup?
Your reply to EV2's question was, at best, useless and misleading. It's possible that the math will work out such that we shouldn't be terribly surprised if a 2engine Cordership shows up in a C1 soup tomorrow  whereas we should definitely be surprised if an SHA256 monkey produces more than a small fraction of the beginning of Macbeth.
Re: Soup search results
There is some irony weaved into that original post. Clearly the probability is not zero – but from a reasonable Lifenthusiast's viewpoint, the probability of a 2EC occurring would at most be very small. It could happen tomorrow, or a month later. This is the nature of randomness – anything that can appear will appear, given enough computational resources.
I do not think anyone was surprised when Rich's p16 or the pufferfish showed up – or phoenix 1 or the Coe ship or the loafer.dvgrn wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 6:11 amYour reply to EV2's question was, at best, useless and misleading. It's possible that the math will work out such that we shouldn't be terribly surprised if a 2engine Cordership shows up in a C1 soup tomorrow  whereas we should definitely be surprised if an SHA256 monkey produces more than a small fraction of the beginning of Macbeth.
In short, I'm just asking you to curb your excitement when dealing with apgsearch. I've seen the newer members of this forum rushing ahead of themselves a lot.
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3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!
Re: Soup search results
19x17 parent:dvgrn wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 5:59 amReally the lower bound would be much higher than that, because if one soup exists then there are probably gajillions of variants of it. Here's a 20x18 sample that can probably be packed into 16x16 with some effort:
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x = 20, y = 18, rule = B3/S23 8bo$8b4o$8bo3bo2$10b3o7$15b2o$bo13b2o$obo5bo$6b2ob2o$3o2bo3b2o7b2o$6b 2ob2o7b2o$6b4o!
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x = 19, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
7b3o$10b3o$10b3o$11bo7$15b2o$15b2o$3o6bo$b2o3b2obo8bo$2o5bobo8bo$5b3ob
o6bobo$8b2o6bobo!
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Re: Soup search results
Well, but you did sayFreywa wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 6:02 amYes, Hunting lost upon saying "AGF". I did not say at any time that the probability was exactly zero. Rather, I said that it could appear, and it could definitely appear like Rich's p16, but the chances are less than those required for an exotic switch engine puffer pair to appear.
Ah well, how ironic! You are a fan of MLP yourself...You are blindly arguing with me for the sake of arguing.
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Re: Soup search results
16x16 soup:calcyman wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 6:59 am19x17 parent:dvgrn wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 5:59 amReally the lower bound would be much higher than that, because if one soup exists then there are probably gajillions of variants of it. Here's a 20x18 sample that can probably be packed into 16x16 with some effort:
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x = 20, y = 18, rule = B3/S23 8bo$8b4o$8bo3bo2$10b3o7$15b2o$bo13b2o$obo5bo$6b2ob2o$3o2bo3b2o7b2o$6b 2ob2o7b2o$6b4o!
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x = 19, y = 17, rule = B3/S23 7b3o$10b3o$10b3o$11bo7$15b2o$15b2o$3o6bo$b2o3b2obo8bo$2o5bobo8bo$5b3ob o6bobo$8b2o6bobo!
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
o2bob2o$o3b2ob2o2bob2o$bo2bo4bo3bobo$10b4o$2b2obo3bobobo$o4b4o3bob2o$
4b2o2b3o2bo$b2o2bo2bo6bo$4b2o2b2o3bobo$3o2b2o2b2o4bo$ob2ob2o2b2obo$o2b
obo4b2obo$3ob2ob2o4b3o$o2bob2o2bo3bobo$3o4bo3b2ob2o$b2obo2b4obo2bo!