MWSS-to-LWSS Partial

[danieldb]

The farthest I've got is this:

x = 26, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
4.A7.A$3.A.A5.A.A$3.A.A5.A.A$.3A.2A3.2A.3A$A15.A$.3A.2A3.2A.3A$3.A.2A
3.2A.A5$8.2A$7.A.A$6.A.A$6.2A2$6.A$4.A3.A$9.A$4.A4.A$5.5A7$22.2A$22.A
.A$24.A$24.2A!

Now we need the following:

Long Ship Synthesis:

x = 8, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
.A$A$3A6$2.A.A$3.2A$3.A$.A$.2A$A.A5$6.2A$5.2A$7.A!

Eater 1 Synthesis (unless we can find a permanent eater):

x = 7, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.2A$A3.2A$4.A.A$4.A!

[Sphenocorona]

Since there already exist various compact, periodic methods to convert MWSSes to LWSSes that do not alter timing or lane, the only use for this particular reaction would be in a stable MWSS -> LWSS.

Now, the pattern you've posted basically attempts to make any such usage completely impossible by cutting off everything. Not to mention that the eater could probably be replaced by a block. Instead, it's better to extract a signal out of the resulting junk so that we can then start up some repair circuitry. It turns out that the reaction generates a Pi on its own, and so after cleaning up the other debris (which involves an admittedly not totally intuitive placement of blocks) we arrive at this:

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x = 32, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
15.2C$14.B2CB$15.2B7.2C$16.3B5.C$14.6B.BC.C$13.7B.B2C$11.11B$8.B2.11B
$6.16B$5.3D14B$5.D15B$4.B3D11B$4.15B$4.15B$4.15B$4.14B$5.11B$3.13B$2.
14B$3.11B$5.5B2C3B$5.2B.BCBC3B4.2A$7.BCBC4B3.B2AB$6.2B2C4B4.3B$6.11B.
2B$2.C.B.15B$C.2BC22BD2BD$2.3BC24B.D$C4BC21BD2B.D$.5C22B4D$.29B$3.B.B
.B.15B$10.13B$11.12B$13.3B2.4B$19.2B$20.2B$19.B2AB$20.2A!

Now things are looking much better - we only need to synthesize one object instead of two, and we also have a free signal that we can use to start up some construction circuitry.

[triller]

Since there already exist various compact, periodic methods to convert MWSSes to LWSSes that do not alter timing or lane....

I would be very interested is seeing said converters in p30.
They would be a welcome addition to my toolbox.
triller

[Sphenocorona]

Since there already exist various compact, periodic methods to convert MWSSes to LWSSes that do not alter timing or lane....

I would be very interested is seeing said converters in p30.
They would be a welcome addition to my toolbox.
triller

I just realized that the spot I've seen them before happens to already be in your p30 thread, in this post.

Just to clarify: when I said compact, I meant that the devices I was alluding to would certainly be smaller than any converter the above reaction above would yield. Unfortunately, I'm not super familiar with periodic technology and so I don't know whether the sort of thing linked above is actually 'compact' in an absolute sense.

[triller]

I just realized that the spot I've seen them before happens to already be in your p30 thread, in this post.

So I see. I'd forgotten. Six years is a far piece. Perhaps the HWSS to MWSS a couple posts down can be made viable @p30. That would complete a set of upsize/downsize converters (@p30 anyway).

triller

[chris_c]

The farthest I've got is this

Here is a more complete design where a glider is produced and the bait can be reconstructed with 5 gliders. Two of the gliders have timing dependency with respect to each other but not with respect to the other three.

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x = 107, y = 60, rule = LifeHistory
54.2D$48.A5.DBD$47.2BA4.D3B$47.3AB4.4B$48.4B4.4B$49.4B4.4B$50.4B4.4B$
51.4B4.4B$52.4B4.4B$53.4B4.4B$54.4B4.4B$55.4B4.4B4.2A12.A$56.4B4.BABA
4.A10.3A7.ABA$57.4B4.B2AB3.A.AB6.A9.B2AB$58.4B4.A3B3.2AB6.2A7.3BA$59.
4B4.4B4.9B6.4B$60.4B4.4B3.7B7.4B$61.4B4.14B5.4B$62.4B3.14B4.4B$63.4B
2.14B3.4B$64.4B.14B2.4B$65.18B.4B$66.21B$67.19B$68.12B2D3B$69.10BDBD
3B4.2A$70.8BDBD4B3.B2AB$70.8B2D4B4.3B$69.18B.2B$2.A.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B
.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.23B$A.2BA102B$2.3BA
101B$A4BA101B$.5A101B$.106B$3.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B
.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B3AB.B.B.5B.B.15B$62.2BA5.4B6.13B$63.A5.4B8.12B$
68.4B11.3B2.4B$67.4B18.2B$66.4B20.2B$65.4B20.B2AB$64.4B22.2A$63.4B$
62.4B$61.4B$60.4B$59.4B$58.4B$57.4B$56.4B$55.4B$54.4B$53.4B$52.4B$51.
4B$50.4B$49.2A2B$48.ABAB$49.BA!

After some failed attempts to reduce the number of signals to 4 I came up with another 5 signal version but with only two pairs of gliders having timing dependency:

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x = 165, y = 177, rule = LifeHistory
83.2A11.A$82.B2AB9.A.A$83.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$82.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$82.5B
8.B2.A.A3.A.A$82.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$82.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$83.13B2.A.AB2.A15.2A
$.A79.13B5.A.A2B.A14.A$2BA77.15B5.A2B.2A11.BA.A$3AB76.15B4.3B12.2A.B
2A$.4B74.17B.B.2B12.B2A2B$2.4B73.29B6.4B$3.4B71.13B2A16B3.6B45.BA$4.
4B69.14B2A16B2.6B45.2AB$5.4B67.2AB3.27B.7B44.2B2A$6.4B65.A2.A4.35B42.
4B$7.4B63.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B40.4B$8.4B62.A7.6B14.18B38.4B$9.4B60.2A
6.9B14.16B37.4B$10.4B66.4B4.2A15.14B37.4B$11.4B64.4B5.A15.16B35.4B$
12.4B62.4B7.3A12.14B.B2A32.4B$13.4B60.4B10.A10.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A30.4B$
14.4B58.3AB21.A.AB7.6B4.A29.4B$15.4B57.2BA22.A9.7B4.2A27.4B$16.4B6.2D
49.A22.2A4.2A2.8B32.4B$17.4B5.DBD75.A2.A12B29.4B$18.4B4.D3B74.2A3.11B
28.4B$19.4B4.4B78.4B2A5B27.4B$20.4B4.4B78.3B2A5B26.4B$21.4B4.4B77.10B
25.4B$22.4B4.4B77.9B24.4B$23.4B4.4B76.9B23.4B$24.4B4.4B75.8B23.4B$25.
4B4.4B75.8B21.4B$26.4B4.4B75.6B21.4B$27.4B4.4B74.6B4.2A14.4B$28.4B4.
4B73.6B4.A14.4B$29.4B4.4B71.7B.BA.A13.4B$30.4B4.4B70.6B2.B2A13.4B$31.
4B4.4B70.8B14.4B$32.4B4.4B69.8B13.4B$33.4B4.4B67.8B13.4B$34.4B4.4B66.
7B13.4B$35.4B4.4B56.2A7.6B13.4B$36.4B4.4B56.A6.7B12.4B$37.4B4.4B55.A.
AB3.7B11.4B$38.4B4.4B55.2AB2.8B10.4B$39.4B4.4B56.11B9.4B$40.4B4.4B55.
11B8.4B$41.4B4.4B54.11B7.4B$42.4B4.4B52.11B7.4B$43.4B4.4B52.7B.2B6.4B
$44.4B4.4B51.11B4.4B$45.4B4.4B51.10B3.4B$46.4B4.4B50.16B$47.4B4.4B50.
14B$48.4B4.4B46.17B$49.4B4.4B44.17B$50.4B4.4B42.2B2A16B$51.4B4.4B42.B
2A6B.4B3.2A$52.4B4.4B34.2A4.8B2.4B4.A$53.4B4.4B34.A4.6B3.4B6.3A$54.4B
4.4B33.A.AB.7B.4B9.A$55.4B4.4B33.2AB2.10B$56.4B4.4B34.12B$57.4B4.4B
33.11B$58.4B4.4B33.9B$59.4B4.4B33.7B8.A$60.4B4.4B33.6B6.3A$61.4B4.4B
32.7B4.A$62.4B4.4B30.8B4.2A$63.4B4.4B4.2A12.A9.10B.4B$64.4B4.4B4.A10.
3A8.14B$65.4B4.4B3.A.AB6.A10.16B$66.4B4.4B3.2AB6.2A5.7B.12B$67.4B4.4B
4.9B4.7B3.11B$68.4B4.4B3.7B6.8B5.9B$69.4B4.14B5.10B2.12B12.2A$70.4B3.
14B5.27B9.A$71.4B2.14B4.31B3.BA.A$72.4B.14B3.30B2A2B.B2A$73.18B2.31B
2A4B$74.17B.38B$75.55B$76.12B2C39B$77.10BCBC7BC5B3.13B3.3B.B$78.8BCBC
7BCBC2B8.8B$79.7B2C9B2CB11.B2.2B$80.21B$28.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.A.B.
B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.22B$27.21BA3BA95B$27.26BA94B$27.21BA4BA94B$
27.22B5A94B$27.121B$27.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.
B.B.B.5B.B.15B$78.4B6.13B$77.4B6.8B.B$76.4B8.8B$75.4B8.9B$74.4B9.9B$
73.4B10.10B$72.4B11.5B2A3B$71.4B12.5B2A4B$70.4B13.11B$69.4B14.12BA.2A
$68.4B17.8B2.2A.A$67.4B18.7B$66.4B19.6B$65.4B19.7B$64.4B14.2A5.7B$63.
4B15.A.A3.8B$62.4B18.A3.8B$61.4B19.2A.9B$60.4B22.11B$59.4B23.12B$58.
4B24.12B$57.4B26.10B6.2A$56.4B25.11B7.A$55.4B26.14B.BA.A$54.4B26.2A
13B.B2A$53.4B27.2A15B$52.4B29.B.15B$51.4B32.14B$50.4B34.11B.B2A$49.4B
35.9B3.BA.A$48.4B35.8B8.A$47.4B36.7B9.2A$46.4B36.11B$45.4B37.12B$44.
4B38.12B7.2A$43.4B40.11B2.2A2.A2.A$42.4B39.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$41.4B40.2A
4.7B3.B.2A$40.4B42.A4.7B2.2B2.A$39.4B40.3A6.6B.2BAB.A.2A$38.4B41.A8.
8BA.A.2A.A$37.4B51.8B.A.A$36.4B53.5B4.A2.2A$35.4B54.6B4.2A.3A$34.4B
54.6B6.B4.A$33.4B55.7B3.B2AB3A$32.4B57.8B.B2A.A$31.4B58.10B$30.4B58.
3B2A6B$29.4B53.2A5.2B2A6B$28.4B55.A5.10B$27.4B56.A.AB2.11B$26.4B58.2A
B.12B$25.4B61.15B$24.4B62.16B$23.4B63.16B.2B$22.4B64.18B2A$21.4B64.
17B.B2A$20.4B64.4B2.8B.4B.B$19.4B64.4B4.7B$18.4B64.4B5.6B$17.4B64.4B
6.4B$16.4B64.2A2B5.A3B$15.4B64.ABAB5.A.AB$14.4B66.BA6.A.A$13.4B76.A$
12.4B74.3A$11.4B75.A$10.4B$9.4B$8.4B$7.4B$6.4B$5.4B$4.4B$3.4B$2.2A2B$
.ABAB$2.BA!

Perhaps the HWSS to MWSS a couple posts down can be made viable @p30. That would complete a set of upsize/downsize converters (@p30 anyway).

Yes, I found clean up gliders for both sides:

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x = 98, y = 81, rule = B3/S23
31bo$29bobo$30b2o$96bo$95bo$95b3o2$38bo$39bo$37b3o2$88bo$88bobo$88b2o
2$46bo$44bobo$45b2o$81bo$80bo$80b3o2$53bo$54bo$52b3o2$73bo$73bobo$73b
2o2$61bo$59bobo$60b2o$66bo$65bo$65b3o3$2b2o28b2o28b2o$o4bo24bo4bo24bo
4bo$6bo29bo9b6o14bo$o5bo23bo5bo8bo5bo8bo5bo$b6o24b6o14bo9b6o$45bo4bo$
47b2o3$63b2o$57bo4b2o$57b2o5bo$56bobo4$71bo$70b2o$49b2o19bobo$50b2o$
49bo4$78b2o$42bo34b2o$42b2o35bo$41bobo4$86bo$85b2o$34b2o49bobo$35b2o$
34bo4$93b2o$27bo64b2o$27b2o65bo$26bobo!

[triller]

Perhaps the HWSS to MWSS a couple posts down can be made viable @p30. That would complete a set of upsize/downsize converters (@p30 anyway).

Yes, I found clean up gliders for both sides:

Thanks, and here's your cycle.

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x = 376, y = 87, rule = B3/S23
70bo6b2o$70b3o5bo$73bo4bobo5bo$72b2o5b2o5b2o$87b2o13b2o5bo$87b
3o11b3o3bo3bo$82b2o3b2o9bob2o5bo$86b2o10bo2bo4bo5bo$86bo11bob
2o9b2o$72b2o3b2o11bo10b3o$75bo14bobo9b2o$72bo5bo11b2o$73b2ob2o
$74bobo19b2o$75bo20b2o$64b2o9bo$64b2o17bo$82bo$82b3o3$77bobo$
78b2o6b3o6b3o$64bo7b3o3bo7bo7bo3bo$12bo50b3o5bo3bo11bo5bo5bo$
10b3o49b5o3bo5bo16b2obob2o$9bo51bobobobo2b2obob2o187bo$9b2o50b
2o3b2o85bo85bo23bobo$93bo59bobo17bo64bobo21bo3b2o6b2o$73bo19b
2o41bo17bobo15bobo46b2o14bo3b2o8b2o9bo3bob2o4bobo$64bo7bobo6b
2o53b2o16bo2bo3b2o2b2o4bob2o15b2o29bobo13bo3b2o3b2o3b2o9bo3bo
b3o4b3o$63bobo6bobo6b3o8b2obo35b2o4b2o15bobo4b2o2b2o3b2ob2o14b
obo24b2o4b3o12bo3b2o3b2o15bobob2o2bo4b3o6b2o48bo$62b2obo7bo6b
ob2o8b2o2bo30b2o2b2o4b3o13bobo15bob2o13bo6b2o15b4o2bo4b3o12bo
bo23bo4b2o4b3o7b2o46bobo$62b3o15b3o10b4o30b2o2b2o4b2o7bobo4bo
18bobo13bo2bo2bo2bob2o11b3ob2o4b3o7bo6bo34bobo46b2o6b2o16bobo
$61bo2bo7b2o7bo54b2o9b2o24bo5bo8bo6b2o2b2o20bobo9b2o39b2o46bo
3bo4b2o8bo7bo2bo$4b2o3b2o2b2o46b3o8b2o62bo10bo31bobo7bobo29b2o
9b2o87bo5bo3b2o7bobo9b2o8bo$14bo45bo3bo26b2o3b2o81b2o9b2o69bo
49b2o8bo3bob2o4bobo4bo9bo3b2o5bobo$5bo3bo4bobo7b2o33bo5bo28bo
166bobo47b2o8bo5bo7bo5bo10b2o6bob2o$6b3o6b2o6b3o34bo3bo5bo20b
o5bo163b2o59bo3bo22bo2bo6b2ob2o10b2o$6b3o11bob2o15bo21b3o7bo20b
2ob2o226b2o24bobo8bob2o10b2o$20bo2bo8b3o4bobo27b3o21bobo58bo179b
o26bobo$20bob2o16bobo4b2o45bo60b2o15bo66bobo93b2o15bo9bo$23b3o
2b2o2bo7bo2bo3b2o45bo59b2o15bo68b2o92b2o15bo$24b2o2bo3bo7bobo
128b3o66bo13bo96b3o$29bo2bo6bobo36b3o172bo$5bo5bo17b2o8bo38b4o
171b3o$4b3o5bo67b2o$4b3o3b3o64bo2bobo11b2o$77bob4o11b2o$2b2o3b
2o12bo40b2o17bo79b2obo176b2obo$2b2o3b2o12bobo38b2o97b6o174b6o
$21b2o141b2o178b2o2$19bo$17bobo$18b2o$2b2o18b2o$3bo19b2o$3o9b
o9bo62bo163bo93bobo$o11bobo70bo163bo$13bobo9b2o5bo43bo9bo4bo156b
o$13bo2bo7b3o3bo3bo40bobo4bo7bobo250bo2bo$13bobo5bob2o5bo45bo
5b3o6bo251bo2bo$2b2o8bobo6bo2bo4bo5bo46bo167b3o90b2o$bobo8bo8b
ob2o9b2o214b2o5bo$bo22b3o58bo67b2o101b2o76b3o$2o23b2o58bo66bo
bo15b2o84bobo77bo13b2o$52b2o5b2o19bo73bo15bobo152bo9bo14bobo$
52b2o5b2o13bo5b3o6bo80bo72b2o79bobo23bo$73bobo4bo7bobo153b2o66b
2o10b2obo8bobo$55b2o17bo9bo4bo153bo68b2o10b2ob2o6bo2bo24b2o$55b
2o26bo240b2obo6b2o27bobo$83bo50b2o128b2o58bobo5b2o3bo15bo4b2o
4b3o7b2o$132bo3bo5bo2b3o41b2o72b2o60bo8b2o16bobob2o2bo4b3o6b2o
$126b2o3bo5bo9bo3bo25b3o2bo5bo3bo72bo69bo2bo12bo3bob3o4b3o$32b
2o10bo81b2o2b2obo3bo8bo4bobo19bo3bo9bo5bo3b2o26bo10bo99bobo12b
o3bob2o4bobo$32b2o9bo2bo84bo5bo16b2o15bobo4bo8bo3bob2o2b2o26b
2o9b2o39b2o72bo3b2o6b2o$43bo3bo84bo3bo17b2o4b2ob2o4b2o16bo5bo
22b2o2b2o4b2o7bobo4bo34bo2bo71bobo$28b2o5b2o6bo3bo86b2o18b2o4b
2ob2o4b2o17bo3bo23b2o2b2o4b3o13bobo22bo3b3o7bo6b2o63bo$28b2o5b
2o5b2o3bo103bobo15b2o18b2o29b2o4b2o15bobo4b2o14b5o3bo6bo6b2o$
43bo2bo104bo19bobo51b2o16bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2ob2o3bo7bo$173bo51bo
17bobo8b2o8b3ob2o3bo3bo2bo$242bobo20b2ob4o5b2o$242bo23b4o$39b
o227bo$33b2obobobo$33bob2ob2o!

triller