Catagolue Discussion Thread

[77topaz]

We have encountered server errors for more than 7 hours. Catagolue pages that do not need server data are displaying OK.

Yes, the server is currently over quota, as was pointed out in the thread specifically about Catagolue outages.

[dani]

Saka, can you add the following to the main post:

Catagolue resets every 07:00 AM UTC.

It's 2 AM in my timezone and 2 PM in yours. c:

[Saka]

Saka, can you add the following to the main post:

Catagolue resets every 07:00 AM UTC.

It's 2 AM in my timezone and 2 PM in yours. c:

done

[muzik]

Will any of the non-outer-totalistic, non-isotropic-nontotalistic rules ever get animated pattern thumbnails?

[muzik]

Am I the only one who experiences intense lag on pages such as the following?:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/stdin/xq6

[77topaz]

Am I the only one who experiences intense lag on pages such as the following?:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/stdin/xq6

No, it lags for me too. It's because the page has numerous GIFs of very large spaceships.

[muzik]

Why doesn't Catagolue open LifeViewer for Generations patterns with more than one cell state present?

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... s/g17b3s23

[calcyman]

Why doesn't Catagolue open LifeViewer for Generations patterns with more than one cell state present?

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... s/g17b3s23

Extreme laziness on my part. The apgcode-to-RLE conversion is actually achieved by appropriating part of Chris Cain's glider synthesis javascript (and therefore happens client-side rather than server-side), and as far as I know is limited to 2-state patterns.

[tod222]

What do the colors signify in the root column on the haul pages?

[77topaz]

What do the colors signify in the root column on the haul pages?

Brown = newly uploaded, not yet processed
Colours between brown and green = various stages in the verification/committing process
Green = this haul has been committed to the census
Red = this haul failed a statistical test, it is not included in the census
Blue = this haul contains something special, it is being permanently preserved (green hauls are deleted after a while)

[muzik]

Will we ever be able to do more with accounts on catagolue? e.g. deleting own comments, moderating comments, assigning payosha256 keys to our accounts

[testitemqlstudop]

Methuselahs! Methuselahs everywhere!

https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3 ... methuselah
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 4f411a0c33

I hacked apgsearch to only log methuselahs and also detail their complete lifespan. Hopefully calcyman's fine with this...

[dani]

You're using the wrong notation, it should be along the lines of '30k'

[77topaz]

Did you really need to post that exact same message in two different threads? Anyway, here's an echo of my response in the other thread:

I hacked apgsearch to only log methuselahs and also detail their complete lifespan. Hopefully calcyman's fine with this...

That's a clever idea. Because it's only storing the methuselah objects, it shouldn't cause any excessive strain on the server, so I don't expect calcyman would have a problem with it.

And also...

You're using the wrong notation, it should be along the lines of '30k'

testitem is deliberately using a notation that logs the precise lifespan instead of the abbreviated form. Since it's in an unofficial symmetry, I don't see a problem with it.

[dani]

ah, thought he was using C1..

[72c20e]

Unavailable in China. Any mirrors?

[Bullet51]

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[muzik]

Unavailable in China. Any mirrors?

http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/home

[muzik]

Currently Catagolue attempts to run custom ruletable rules with LifeViewer:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xq ... xbzerotest

Since LifeViewer has been confirmed to not be supporting custom ruletables at any point in the near future, can these object pages be made to not bring up a LifeViewer applet if a custom ruletable is being used, and display a static image instead?

[77topaz]

Currently Catagolue attempts to run custom ruletable rules with LifeViewer:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xq ... xbzerotest

Since LifeViewer has been confirmed to not be supporting custom ruletables at any point in the near future, can these object pages be made to not bring up a LifeViewer applet if a custom ruletable is being used, and display a static image instead?

Hmm... Lifelib can support these ruletables - is there any way that could be used to create a similar viewport for those patterns?

[testitemqlstudop]

What's wrong with these hauls: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 5fa81388cd
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 481180c783
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... ed6b018b3f
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 15bc2a2c56

I was just testing calcyman's Lifecoin, hence the long seed roots. All other Lifecoin hauls are OK.

[Moosey]

What's wrong with these hauls: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 5fa81388cd
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 481180c783
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... ed6b018b3f
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 15bc2a2c56

I was just testing calcyman's Lifecoin, hence the long seed roots. All other Lifecoin hauls are OK.

What is the problem, exactly?

[testitemqlstudop]

What's wrong with these hauls: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 5fa81388cd
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 481180c783
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... ed6b018b3f
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 15bc2a2c56

I was just testing calcyman's Lifecoin, hence the long seed roots. All other Lifecoin hauls are OK.

What is the problem, exactly?

They're red (i.e. invalid):

https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... emqlstudop

[calcyman]

What's wrong with these hauls: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 5fa81388cd
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 481180c783
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... ed6b018b3f
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 15bc2a2c56

I was just testing calcyman's Lifecoin, hence the long seed roots. All other Lifecoin hauls are OK.

Erm, how were you testing it? Hauls shouldn't be that small, firstly. Secondly, it's in no way release-worthy, and there's no public blockchain yet.

[testitemqlstudop]

What's wrong with these hauls: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 5fa81388cd
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 481180c783
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... ed6b018b3f
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 15bc2a2c56

I was just testing calcyman's Lifecoin, hence the long seed roots. All other Lifecoin hauls are OK.

Erm, how were you testing it? Hauls shouldn't be that small, firstly. Secondly, it's in no way release-worthy, and there's no public blockchain yet.

Well, I lowered MIN_LOG_DIFFICULTY ("#define MIN_LOG_DIFFICULTY 0x407a400000000000ull") to 0x407a40000000000ull (one less zero) for two reasons:
1. my 4-core i5 computer would not mine a block for several hours;
2. I wanted to see if the difficulty could adjust it back to a reasonable amount of time.

In short, the answer to (2) was no; hauls were being uploaded twice (or even more) every minute, and the difficulty would not rise exponentially, but instead linearly. I stopped after about an hour after 100 or so hauls to not put excessive server strain. I'm thinking of replacing the difficulty function that directly limits increase with a function that just goes halfway to the normal expected difficulty (i.e. replace line 86 and afterwords of blockheader.h with

Code: Select all

            
            // We update the difficulty to target a 10-minute block time:
            int64_t actual_time = ((int64_t) (t - prevblock.prevblock_time));
            int64_t desired_time = 600000000000ll;
            int64_t earlyness = desired_time - actual_time;
            uint64_t next_log_difficulty = prevblock.log_difficulty + earlyness * 32;
            log_difficulty = (log_difficulty+next_log_difficulty)/2;
            if (log_difficulty < MIN_LOG_DIFFICULTY) {
                log_difficulty = MIN_LOG_DIFFICULTY;
            }

I'm trying to implement an HTTP-like protocol that allows the communication of miners. I think if each node can have a port (say 6333) linked to an HTTP server and there are two endpoints "blocks" and "block*****", each node could just query each of the nodes that it's connected to with "blocks", and if the node's local copy is behind, query each "block*****", adding it to its local chain, until it is up-to-date.

EDIT: When there's transaction support there could just be a "txpool" endpoint that gives the entire current state of the unconfirmed transactions, but given the current state of Lifecoin, ...