SnakeLife

[yujh]

Sorry for another non-constructive post here,

I’ll definitely agree the appearance of this thread but just after the discoveries of the cordership and other tech.
They are notable, no, interesting enough to have its own thread, but remember to post in tfyuca or mdioca first.(need a mention elsewhere?)

Btw, I definitely wouldn’t like to see the spamming of soups of still life(do you have apgsearch m&c?) and of course if you really want to then I suggest you to shorten the rle to one line.

[lemon41625]

Puffer

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
5b5o$4b7o$3bo7bo$bobob2ob2obobo$b2o9b2o$bo11bo$2o2b7o2b2o$o2b3obob
3o2bo$2bo9bo$3o3b3o3b3o!

[MathAndCode]

In particular, corderizing means the act of making corderoids, and hickerizing... making Dean Hickerson?

Hickerizing would mean making a spaceship composed of puffer engines whose debris cancels each other out, the first of which was created by Dean Hickerson. On the other hand, what does the 15c/64 diagonal spaceship have to do with Charles Corderman?

[iNoMed]

Block-tracks can be separated further:

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x = 73, y = 46, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
16b3o5b3o19b3o5b3o$15bo2bo5bo2bo17bo2bo5bo2bo$15b3o7b3o17b3o7b3o5$17b
3o3b3o21b3o3b3o$17b3o3b3o21b3o3b3o4$15b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o$15b2o9b2o17b2o
9b2o3$b3o5b3o4b2o7b2o4b3o5b3o4b2o7b2o4b3o5b3o$o2bo5bo2bo3b2o7b2o3bo2bo
5bo2bo3b2o7b2o3bo2bo5bo2bo$3o7b3o17b3o7b3o17b3o7b3o5$2b3o3b3o4b2o9b2o
4b3o3b3o4b2o9b2o4b3o3b3o$2b3o3b3o3bo2bo7bo2bo3b3o3b3o3bo2bo7bo2bo3b3o
3b3o$15b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o3$2o13b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o13b2o$2o12bo2bo7bo2bo15bo
2bo7bo2bo12b2o$13bo3bo7bo3bo13bo3bo7bo3bo$13bo15bo13bo15bo$b2o9b2o2bo
9bo2b2o11b2o2bo9bo2b2o9b2o$b2o11bo13bo15bo13bo11b2o2$15b2o9b2o17b2o9b
2o$15b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o2$b2o67b2o$b2o67b2o5$b2o67b2o$b2o67b2o!

[Hunting]

In particular, corderizing means the act of making corderoids, and hickerizing... making Dean Hickerson?

Hickerizing would mean making a spaceship composed of puffer engines whose debris cancels each other out, the first of which was created by Dean Hickerson. On the other hand, what does the 15c/64 diagonal spaceship have to do with Charles Corderman?

Did you read the above? -ize something means "make something into the thing before -ize", and the corder in corderizing in particular refer to the Corderships and not Corderman!

[MathAndCode]

Did you read the above? -ize something means "make something into the thing before -ize", and the corder in corderizing in particular refer to the Corderships and not Corderman!

They are called Corderships because of the switch engines, not the debris-cancelling reaction.

[Hunting]

Did you read the above? -ize something means "make something into the thing before -ize", and the corder in corderizing in particular refer to the Corderships and not Corderman!

They are called Corderships because of the switch engines, not the debris-cancelling reaction.

But corder-ize means make something into a Corderoid, not into a switch engine which is not Cordership! Can you please respect the convention?

[bubblegum]

Basically, your argument is that it makes sense, while our argument is that Dean Hickerson didn't just put thirteen switch engines together and do effectively nothing else, and that he's a bit hard to connect to Corderships because knowing who discovered what isn't too important in the real infinite plane.

By the way, there's really no need to argue with Hunting these days.

[wwei47]

Basically, your argument is that it makes sense, while our argument is that Dean Hickerson didn't just put thirteen switch engines together and do effectively nothing else, and that he's a bit hard to connect to Corderships because knowing who discovered what isn't too important in the real infinite plane.

By the way, there's really no need to argue with Hunting these days.

Wait, I don't see you posting in this thread before. Do you agree or disagree with MathAndCode?
I think that they both work:
CORDERize=make into a CORDERship with the engines
HICKERize=do what Dean HICKERson did.
And no, it doesn't necessarily have to be turning something into something else: To traumatize is to cause trauma, not turn something into trauma, right? Or did I miss something here?

[MathAndCode]

Basically, your argument is that it makes sense, while our argument is that Dean Hickerson didn't just put thirteen switch engines together and do effectively nothing else.

Charles Corderman also did other things, such as discover the shillelagh, tub with tail, and acorn.

[FWKnightship]

10-engine 12c/40:

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x = 85, y = 53, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
2b2o5b2o27b2o5b2o27b2o5b2o$b2o7b2o25b2o7b2o25b2o7b2o$2o9b2o7b2o5b2o7b
2o9b2o7b2o5b2o7b2o9b2o$19b2o7b2o25b2o7b2o$18b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o3$3b2o3b2o
29b2o3b2o29b2o3b2o$2b2o5b2o3bo19bo3b2o5b2o3bo19bo3b2o5b2o$13bobo5b2o3b
2o5bobo13bobo5b2o3b2o5bobo$14b2o4b2o5b2o4b2o15b2o4b2o5b2o4b2o2$2o81b2o
$2o81b2o2$14b4obo9bob4o15b4obo9bob4o$b2o10bo4bo11bo4bo13bo4bo11bo4bo
10b2o$b2o11b2o17b2o15b2o17b2o11b2o5$b2o5b2o5b2o21b2o5b2o21b2o5b2o5b2o$
b2o4b2o7b2o19b2o7b2o19b2o7b2o4b2o$6b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o5$2b2o5b2o
3b2o23b2o3b2o23b2o3b2o5b2o$bo2bo3b2o5b2o21b2o5b2o21b2o5b2o3bo2bo$2b2o
77b2o3$6b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o$2b2o2b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o2b2o$
2b2o77b2o2$16b2o5b2o5b2o5b2o7b2o5b2o5b2o5b2o$16b2o4b2o7b2o4b2o7b2o4b2o
7b2o4b2o$21b2o9b2o17b2o9b2o5$17b2o5b2o3b2o5b2o9b2o5b2o3b2o5b2o$16bo2bo
3b2o5b2o3bo2bo7bo2bo3b2o5b2o3bo2bo$17b2o17b2o9b2o17b2o3$21b2o9b2o17b2o
9b2o$17b2o2b2o9b2o2b2o9b2o2b2o9b2o2b2o$17b2o17b2o9b2o17b2o!

[Hunting]

Basically, your argument is that it makes sense, while our argument is that Dean Hickerson didn't just put thirteen switch engines together and do effectively nothing else, and that he's a bit hard to connect to Corderships because knowing who discovered what isn't too important in the real infinite plane.

By the way, there's really no need to argue with Hunting these days.

Wait, I don't see you posting in this thread before. Do you agree or disagree with MathAndCode?
I think that they both work:
CORDERize=make into a CORDERship with the engines
HICKERize=do what Dean HICKERson did.
And no, it doesn't necessarily have to be turning something into something else: To traumatize is to cause trauma, not turn something into trauma, right? Or did I miss something here?

Do you have any real life examples for using -ize for Do what xxx did? -ing for that case would be much, much more appropiate.
I don't see traumatize as a counterexample, because it means make someone into a traumatized state.
@Bubblegum: how so? AS far as I can tell my arguments are completely valid and not arguing for the sake of arguing.
@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong. You tried to overhaul many consensus in the past, so please, Do not continue.

[wwei47]

@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong. You tried to overhaul many consensus in the past, so please, Do not continue.

I feel like I need to tell you to stop being mean to MathAndCode, just because I feel like you're being mean to them, despite having little evidence for it.

[HelicopterCat3]

Do you have any real life examples for using -ize for Do what xxx did? -ing for that case would be much, much more appropiate.
I don't see traumatize as a counterexample, because it means make someone into a traumatized state.
@Bubblegum: how so? AS far as I can tell my arguments are completely valid and not arguing for the sake of arguing.
@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong. You tried to overhaul many consensus in the past, so please, Do not continue.

Can you please not take up space is this perfectly intellectual thread?

[silversmith]

@Bubblegum: how so? AS far as I can tell my arguments are completely valid and not arguing for the sake of arguing.
@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong. You tried to overhaul many consensus in the past, so please, Do not continue.

You argument that corderize is named after corderoids and not corderships has a major flaw, as corderoids are named after corderships, leading back to Corderman

I've been considering coining the term "Corderoid technology" since these are technically the rules' equivalents of the corderships.

So best case scenario for your argument is:
Corderize -> Corderoids -> Corderships -> Corderman

[MathAndCode]

@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong.

You seem to be implying that the opinions of people who work on Conway's Game of Life do not matter. Is that intentional, or am I misinterpreting you?

[bubblegum]

You seem to be implying that the opinions of people who work on Conway's Game of Life do not matter. Is that intentional, or am I misinterpreting you?

It's probably intentional, though it doesn't have any real meaning to it (just making stuff up I guess), although I would find it a bit absurd for OCA enthusiasts to completely detach the meaning of "corder" from Corderships and reapply it to everything-that-works-in-that-fashion-but-isn't-a-cordership.

I'm about to request the thread to be locked, honestly. Can you two stop?

[goldenratio]

Getting this thread back on topic Surprised nobody's apgsearched this yet (other than ikpx2_stdin):
6c/12 B ship:

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x = 12, y = 4, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo$2o2bo3b2obo$3b2o!

Much, much, smaller 6c/20:

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x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
2o8b2o$b2o6b2o$2b2o4b2o5$2bo6bo$2b2o4b2o!

Weird catalyst:

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x = 7, y = 12, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
2o3b2o$obobobo$2bobo$2o3b2o$2o3b2o2$3bo$3bo$3bo$3bo$3bo$3bo!

[EvinZL]

12c/40

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x = 42, y = 12, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
21bo$2b3o6b3o6bobo6b3o6b3o$bo3bo4bo3bo4b2ob2o4bo3bo4bo3bo$bo3bo4bo3bo
4bo2bo5bo3bo4bo3bo$bo2bo6bo2bo3b2ob2o6bo2bo4bo2bo$o3bo6bo3bo3bobo7bo3b
o2bo3bo$o4bo4bo4bo4bo8bo3bo2bo3bo$b3ob2o2b2ob3o15b3o4b3o$4b3o2b3o10bo
$6bo2bo11bobo$21bobo7b2o4b2o$22bo8b2o4b2o!

[Hunting]

@Bubblegum: how so? AS far as I can tell my arguments are completely valid and not arguing for the sake of arguing.
@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong. You tried to overhaul many consensus in the past, so please, Do not continue.

You argument that corderize is named after corderoids and not corderships has a major flaw, as corderoids are named after corderships, leading back to Corderman

I've been considering coining the term "Corderoid technology" since these are technically the rules' equivalents of the corderships.

So best case scenario for your argument is:
Corderize -> Corderoids -> Corderships -> Corderman

There's a typo in my posts (there are probably more because I was in a hurry when I wrote that post)

"think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder""
should be
"think of corderoids and not corderman when they see "corder""

@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong.

You seem to be implying that the opinions of people who work on Conway's Game of Life do not matter. Is that intentional, or am I misinterpreting you?

Can we create a new Website Discussion thread for this? I feel I'm posting too much off-topic arguments as much as I feel this rule is as worthy of its own thread as B2in3-cky4ceit6/S02-i3-kq4i.

Why would corderize make sense outside OCA context?

[FWKnightship]

14c/28:

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x = 21, y = 14, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o7bob2o4bo$o3bo11bo3bo$o15bo$bobo13bobo3$
3o13b3o$o2bo2b2o8bo2bo$o5b2o8bo$o3bo11bo3bo$o15bo$bobo13bobo!

[wwei47]

I feel I'm posting too much off-topic arguments as much as I feel this rule is as worthy of its own thread as B2in3-cky4ceit6/S02-i3-kq4i.

I poked iNoMed and they came up with this.

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x = 155, y = 16, rule = B2in3-cy4ceit6/S02-i3-kq4i
bo6b2o20b2o19b2obo7bo12bo13b3o7bo13bo2bo10b2o9bo14bo$bobo3b3o6bobo3bob
o6bo4b3obo8bo3bo7b3o7bob2ob2obo8bo3bo20bo2bo9b4o8b2o9bob4o$obo7b2o24b
2obo14bo6bobo6b3o5b3o7bo3bo5bobo12bo2bo8b2o10b2o9bobobobo$2bo8bo6b5o
16bo2bo9b2o6b2ob2o6bobobobobo8bobobo16bobobo8bo5b2o8b2o11b2o$29b3o9b2o
6b2o9bo3bo4bo5bo5bo16bo2b2o17bo3bobo2bo6bo16bo$8bo19bo3bo6b2o12bo5bo2b
o2bo8bobo12bo9b3ob2o15bo3bo11b2o3bobo6bo3bo$8b2o18bo3bo6bo2bo10bo5bob
3obo8b3o23bob3o18bo2bob2o8bo2b4o7b2o$10b3o6b3o7b3o10bob2o3bobo2bo7bo
25bob2o9bo2bo20bo8b2o3bo2bo$10b2o6b2ob2o18bob3o4bo2bobo36bo7bob2o20bob
o12b2o$18bobobo28bo8bo3bo6b2ob3ob2o6bo5bo33b2o7bobo$19b3o9bo19bo19bo7b
o5b2o5bo10bo30bo2bo$18bobobo7b2o22b2o16bo5bo8bo11bo3b2o$20bo30b2o17bo
3b3o3bo6bo2bo11bo2bo$20bo29bo36bo11b2o3bo$20bo30bo3bo$50bob2o!

Edit: Oh, iNoMed said they added B3k.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

First diagonal ship of this rule (c/4d):

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x = 86, y = 97, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
23$33bo$26bo5b5o$25b5o2bob2obo$25bo2b2o5bobo$27bobo$28bo$21b2o5bobobo
6bo$20b2o5bobo8bobo$21bobo2bo3bo2bo3b2o3b2o$21b2ob2o5bobo2b2o4b2o$21b
3o2bo5b2obo$25bobo7bo$28bo5bo3b3o$20b2o3bo3bo5b2o$19b2o6b3o$20b2o9bo9b
3o$20b3o6b2obo7b2o7bo$20bo7bo3bo6bo4bo2b2obo$21b2o4b2o10bo4b3ob2o$26b
2o3bo10b5obo$25bo5bo4b2o2b2o6b2o$26bo4bo3bo3bobobo3b3o$34b2o3b2obobo2b
2o$27b2o5bo3bo2bo5bo$27b2o5bo3bobo9bo$36b3o2bo$37b2o10bobo4b2o$37b2o9b
2obo3b2o2b2o$36bo3b3o4b2o7bo2bo$36b6o4b3o7bob2o$35bobob2o4b2o3b3o3b3o$
36bo6bo5b3obo2bobo$45b2o2b3obo5bo2bo$49bo5bo3bobobo$50b2o3bob2o2bobo$
58bo8b3o$46bo5b2o3bobo6bo$45b6o5bo4bo3b2o3bo$45bo3bo3bobobob3o2bo2bobo
$48b3o2b2o9b2o$46b3o2b2o2bobo2b2o2bo$46bo10bobo4bo$52b2o2b2obo4bo2b3o$
51bo12bo2bo2b3o$52b2o12b2o3b2o$57b6o2bo$56bobo5bobo$55b2o6bobo$54bo2bo
3b3o$54bo6bo$54bo2bo3bo$56bo5bo$62b2o$62b2o!

Edit: First elementary diagonal ship.
Edit2: Sorry I was looking at the corderized ships of the variant rule so what I said first is correct.

[MathAndCode]

14c/28

It can be extended.

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x = 27, y = 14, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo3bo2bo4bo2bo$o7bob2o3b2obo7bo$o3bo17bo3bo$o25b
o$bobo19bobo3$3o21b3o$o2bo2b2o11b2o2bo2bo$o5b2o11b2o5bo$o3bo17bo3bo$o
25bo$bobo19bobo!

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x = 37, y = 14, rule = B3-nr4z5r/S23
2b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$bo2bo4bo2bo5bo2bo3bo2bo4bo2bo$4bo4b2obo5bob2o3b2o
bo7bo$o3bo27bo3bo$4bo31bo$bobo29bobo3$2b3o29b3o$bo2bo24b2o2bo2bo$4bo24b
2o5bo$o3bo27bo3bo$4bo31bo$bobo29bobo!

[Entity Valkyrie 2]

@Bubblegum: how so? AS far as I can tell my arguments are completely valid and not arguing for the sake of arguing.
@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong. You tried to overhaul many consensus in the past, so please, Do not continue.

You argument that corderize is named after corderoids and not corderships has a major flaw, as corderoids are named after corderships, leading back to Corderman

I've been considering coining the term "Corderoid technology" since these are technically the rules' equivalents of the corderships.

So best case scenario for your argument is:
Corderize -> Corderoids -> Corderships -> Corderman

There's a typo in my posts (there are probably more because I was in a hurry when I wrote that post)

"think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder""
should be
"think of corderoids and not corderman when they see "corder""

@MathAndCode: how many times I need to tell you Corder refer to corderoids and not corderman, because corderman is a person that cannot be followed by -ize. Who cares about corderman anyways? 99% of the people, I'm pretty sure, especially oca people, think of corderoids and not corderships when they see "corder". If you does not, that means you are bizarre, and does not mean the CA community is wrong.

You seem to be implying that the opinions of people who work on Conway's Game of Life do not matter. Is that intentional, or am I misinterpreting you?

Can we create a new Website Discussion thread for this? I feel I'm posting too much off-topic arguments as much as I feel this rule is as worthy of its own thread as B2in3-cky4ceit6/S02-i3-kq4i.

Why would corderize make sense outside OCA context?

Can we just allow both corderize and hickerize to be okay?!