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My user name RLE, a bit of a methuselah, lifespan 4700:

x = 19, y=5, rule = B3/S23


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Book (talkcontribs)

Welcome to the LifeWiki! Just a note, you can embed a LifeViewer window on a wiki page, so that others can see and run the pattern directly. GUYTU6J (talk) 10:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Here is it in action:
x=19, y=5, rule = B3/S23 3o$o2bo12bo$3o3b3o2b3o2bobo$o2bo2bobo2bobo2b2o$3o3b3o2b3o2bobo!

Thanks GUYTU6J.

RLE replacements

Hello there! I appreciate your recent hard-work on replacing embedded RLEs with RLE pages, and I'd like to provide a bit of advice here.

In the article for density, those examples are listed by bounding box size rather than density, and so I feel that naming the 9×9 case "RLE:Densitypoint5309examples" is not very appropriate. If more demonstrations are going to be added sometime, there will be a collision between size 11 and 15 as they seem to have the same density. Meanwhile, a 6×6 pseudo still life consisting of a trans-snake-tie and a ship was removed without explanation.

In the article for greyship, discovery info for that specific example is available from archives:

#C Quadrilateral greyship with slope of 5/9
#C Hartmut Holzwart  5 Jul 2005

I think reflecting this in the caption is necessary. The short pname "RLE:Greyship" suffers from lack of identification as well.

These are what I have for now. If I noticed more I will also talk here. Thank you! (BTW, a signature like mine is produced with ~~~~, and signing in talk pages is a good habit.) GUYTU6J (talk) 02:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

>>Thanks. Edits taken care of. Book (talk) 22:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

In the article for ant, you've added an "ant-to-two-loaves" pattern which seems rather pointless for LifeWiki. The pattern degrades at individual non-interacting segments very soon, significantly different from the usual healthy chain of ants (that travels steadily at lightspeed via mutual interactions). I'd guess the confusion comes from this ambiguous sentence:

"For example, it is also possible for any ant to be displaced by one or two cells relative to either or both of its neighbouring ants."

That is only true for 1)the smallest ant with a leading domino surface each, and 2)displacement perpendicular to the direction of travelling. Compare these six patterns:

x=68, y = 51, rule = B3/S23 2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o18b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$2b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o18b2o3b2o 3b2o3b2o3b2o$2b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o16b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o$2o3b2o3b2o3b2o 3b2o$40b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o$42b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$40b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o 2$40b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o$42b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$40b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o9$ 60b2o$2o38b2o20b2o$2b2o16b2o20b2ob2o3b2o3b2o3b3o$2b2ob2o3b2o3b2o5b2o 16b3o4b2o3b2o3b2o$2o5b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o21b3o2b3o2b3o2b3o$7b2o3b2o3b2ob2o 18b3o19b2o$5b2o3b2o3b2o25b2ob3o2b3o2b3o2b3o$40b3o4b2o3b2o3b2o$45b3o2b 3o2b3o2b3o$40b3o19b2o$42b2ob3o2b3o2b3o2b2o$40b2o5b2o3b2o3b2o$45b2o3b2o 3b2o9$2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o14b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o$2b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o14b 2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o$2b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o12b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$2o4b2o4b 2o4b2o4b2o$40b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$42b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o$40b3o3b3o3b3o3b 3o3b3o2$40b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$42b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o$40b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o 4b2o!

GUYTU6J (talk) 09:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Yup, I came here to record the same objection to the new addition the Ants article. The "ants-to-loaves" embedded LifeViewer doesn't seem to make any sense -- it doesn't really contain any ants in the first place, and there doesn't seem to be any explanation anywhere of why the pattern is relevant to the article. Can you clarify what the intention is here? Thanks! Dvgrn (talk) 16:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Upon reflection, you're both right. Book (talk) 17:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello! The recent addition of Bx106_Fx119 pattern is basically a duplicate from the version in infobox, so I have just edited it to demonstrate the merge conduit instead. The duplicator form is shown officially because it is in the original discovery. GUYTU6J (talk) 03:39, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello again! Have you wondered why the ash from shipmaker doesn't contain a single ship? That is because the fuse in RLE is not long enough, to reach generation 48:

x=64, y = 63, rule = B3/S23 62b2o$61bobo$60bo$59bo$58bo$57bo$56bo$55bo$54bo$53bo$52bo$51bo$50bo$ 49bo$48bo$47bo$46bo$45bo$44bo$43bo$42bo$41bo$40bo$39bo$38bo$37bo$36bo$ 35bo$34bo$33bo$32bo$31bo$30bo$29bo$28bo$27bo$26bo$25bo$24bo$23bo$22bo$ 21bo$20bo$19bo$18bo$17bo$16bo$15bo$14bo$13bo$12bo$11bo$10bo$9bo$8bo$7b o$6bo$6o$5bo$5bo$5bo$5bo$5bo! #C [[ STOP 48 ]]

The image for "eventual equilibrium" should just contain the region whose diagonal goes from (55,7) to (21,41) at gen 48 above. GUYTU6J (talk) 03:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Cut and paste moves

You should be using the "move" feature, not cutting it from one page and pasting it into another. HotdogPi (talk) 19:51, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Headers in RLE-namespace RLE, and no capital letters in pnames

I'm running the auto-upload script, I think for the first time since you've been involved in improving LifeWiki articles. I think some of the headerless RLE that I'm fixing in the RLE namespace, and some of the pnames starting with or containing capital letters, are your additions -- "RLE:48P31reflectinggliders90" had both problems.

This is not at all a big issue. However, for consistency and cross-platform usability of the pattern collection, these are things that I'm going to fix every time I see them, so ideally it's better to include RLE headers and avoid all capital letters in all references to pnames -- even initial letters. Even though those still work in actual LifeWiki references, they can still mess things up in the pattern collection.

Thanks for all your efforts! I can tell you've done a lot of good work around here, because I'm finding a lot of minor little things that the auto-upload script wants me to fix. Dvgrn (talk) 13:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I've also run into a few cases here and there where the RLE appears to have been copied from HTML, such that the return characters are replaced with spaces. Similar to headerless RLE, this works okay in LifeViewer and on the LifeWiki, and usually in Golly, but when pattern files are generated for the pattern collection, the spaces in place of newlines may cause trouble for other people's RLE interpreters, so it's better to stick to the standard newlines. Dvgrn (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


Compare the two versions of File:Transverylongboatwithtail.png:

The first one by User:AwesoMan3000 - 146×146, 174 bytes, with clearly visible 2px #bfbfbf grid and fully-filled black alive cells adhering to standards in Help:Images

The second one by you - 128×128, 3 KB, with faint non-monochrome grid and one-cell-offset black live cells (both visible in MSPaint)

Why pursue power-of-2-aspects at the expense of other qualities?

Some cases like File:L156.png are worse: after compressing, sizes of alive cells become consistent, and there is no gridline to indicate relative positions. GUYTU6J (talk) 04:22, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

They should really be SVGs, anyway. HotdogPi (talk) 13:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

1. I'd love to use a better tool that would create rules-compliant images quickly and easily from an RLE. Is there one?
2. In my opinion, square images lend themselves to better visual presentation, especially when there are multiple image to show (to me, the alignment is more visually appealing).
3. When I wrote my image-creation programs I was trying to fill a void, namely, the very many missing static images in infoboxes and an overuse of embedded viewer when an image would work better. But see #1.
4. It's not clear to me what purpose is served by the microscopic examination of images that (to me) look fine on the wiki. But see #1.

The standards in Help:Images read more like guidelines to me, seem to be rather permissive, and I fail to see that they have the implied precision in these and other image-related comments/criticisms I have read. Perhaps a clearer section on static image rules would be advisable.

Book (talk) 17:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Changes that affect multiple pages

Hello! In general, when making similar changes in multiple pages, or when making changes that otherwise affect multiple pages, it is a good idea to provide clear edit summaries explaining these changes, so that other editors understand why these edits are made and whether there iis a consensus for them. For example, if there is a related discussion on the forums/on tiki bar related to these edits, it is helpful to link to that discussion in the edit summary of every edit. Confocal (talk) 02:58, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

If you agree with proposed deletion, there is no need to do anything further

If you agree with proposed deletion, there is no need to do anything. You do not need to create a talk page to say that you agree with deletion - that just doubles the work to be done by a moderator who will have to delete two pages instead of one.

Also, please avoid creating any more redirects for the sake of "shedding" red links. These redirects are imprecise more often than not. Repeating what I said elsewhere, it is better to leave documentation work to people who are interested in the subject. Red links help to understand what is missing; "shed the red" redirects hide the current state of wiki and make it hard for readers and editors to understand what is known and what is not. Confocal (talk) 00:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

"Haste makes waste" and other proverbs

Hello. Please be a bit more careful when editing pages about people, especially about living people. I think some of your edits border on being inappropriate. If you currently lack time or otherwise cannot do proper editing, please don't edit at all. Confocal (talk) 03:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I find your unspecific and sanctimonious comment inappropriate and unhelpful Book (talk) 16:54, 13 September 2022 (UTC)