Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
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Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
This is a thread for engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
They can contain any type of complex oscillator/still life, but no infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing.
Here is a rough and incomplete schematic of one:
(A standard-like spaceship is any spaceship that looks like a standard one, for example standard spaceships, standard spaceship flotillas, Coe ships, and Schick engines. A non-standard-like spaceship is any spaceship which isn't standard-like).
They can contain any type of complex oscillator/still life, but no infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing.
Here is a rough and incomplete schematic of one:
(A standard-like spaceship is any spaceship that looks like a standard one, for example standard spaceships, standard spaceship flotillas, Coe ships, and Schick engines. A non-standard-like spaceship is any spaceship which isn't standard-like).
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
I think I don't understand the constraints for this thread. According to your schematic, gliders are allowed. However, gliders are standard spaceships, which aren't allowed.
Further, what are restrictions on population/bounding box/MCPS/lifespan to decide what is interesting and what is not?
Further, what are restrictions on population/bounding box/MCPS/lifespan to decide what is interesting and what is not?
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
I don't have any restrictions on that, except the obvious restriction that prevents the glider + blonk nonsense.confocaloid wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 1:19 pmI think I don't understand the constraints for this thread. According to your schematic, gliders are allowed. However, gliders are standard spaceships, which aren't allowed.
Further, what are restrictions on population/bounding box/MCPS/lifespan to decide what is interesting and what is not?
Also, standards spaceships are allowed because they are considered standard-like spaceships.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmI don't have any restrictions on that, except the obvious restriction that prevents the glider + blonk nonsense.
Also, standards spaceships are allowed because they are considered standard-like spaceships.
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I think this thread should go to Sandbox. Without additional rules, there are too many possibilities.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
A new rule: Lifespan must be higher than 10,000 generations.confocaloid wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 2:04 pmHerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmI don't have any restrictions on that, except the obvious restriction that prevents the glider + blonk nonsense.
Also, standards spaceships are allowed because they are considered standard-like spaceships.Is this kind of nonsense allowed in this thread?Code: Select all
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I think this thread should go to Sandbox. Without additional rules, there are too many possibilities.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
The same question applies for this version, then:HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 2:06 pmA new rule: Lifespan must be higher than 10,000 generations.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
Another rule: No simple, isolated OTT loops.dvgrn wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 2:15 pmThe same question applies for this version, then:HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 2:06 pmA new rule: Lifespan must be higher than 10,000 generations.
Any objections if this thread moves to the Sandbox?Code: Select all
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
What do you mean by 'simple, isolated OTT loops'? I can only guess it is something that is meant to exclude things posted above so far, and yet include the schematic in the first post of this thread. Reading literally, 'OTT loop' is self-contradictory, unless you mean loop the 10-bit still life used as an one-time turner.HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 2:37 pmAnother rule: No simple, isolated OTT loops.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
Sorry, I meant to say OTT spirals (not the still life).confocaloid wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 3:15 pmWhat do you mean by 'simple, isolated OTT loops'? I can only guess it is something that is meant to exclude things posted above so far, and yet include the schematic in the first post of this thread. Reading literally, 'OTT loop' is self-contradictory, unless you mean loop the 10-bit still life used as an one-time turner.HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 2:37 pmAnother rule: No simple, isolated OTT loops.Code: Select all
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
Instead of calling this thread “Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing” I would suggest calling it a simpler name such as “Purely Still-life Based Diehards” or “Well Bounded Diehards” (a pun on well grounded). I honestly think changing the name of the thread would give people a better understanding of what you want.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
Another rule: the mcps to population ratio must be at least 100.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
Still, you can do the same thing:
The lifespan is 77,777 (really), and the MCPS is 775 or less:
I used a Jubjub reflector to make it more similar to the diagram in the first post (and because I wanted to actually contribute something), but you can do it with the boat loop too (MCPS 2,105, lifespan 211,191):
I agree with AlbertArmStain: Since you don't want giant boat loops, can you tell us what you do want to see? It's not clear to me how the example in the original post is different from a boat loop. You also mentioned "the obvious restriction that prevents the glider + blonk nonsense," but it was so obvious that no one else got it.
If boat loops are bad, there should be some limitation to make them less attractive. This was why the other diehard thread set a hard limit on the bounding box of the pattern, because that way people had to be creative rather than just adding another boat.
By the way, the first diehard shows the problem with using MCPS. Look at the top area, with the scattered blocks and turners. How obvious was it that the minimal covering polyplet (and I am not entirely sure it is minimal) included a line from the loaf to the block that stopped by the eater? Or would a line from the long boat to that line then an offshoot to the other block have been shorter? (it's the same length)
EDIT: Confocaloid helped show how obvious the MCPS problem is, by finding a one-cell reduction counteracted by a cell I forgot to add.
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x = 789, y = 791, rule = LifeHistory
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If boat loops are bad, there should be some limitation to make them less attractive. This was why the other diehard thread set a hard limit on the bounding box of the pattern, because that way people had to be creative rather than just adding another boat.
By the way, the first diehard shows the problem with using MCPS. Look at the top area, with the scattered blocks and turners. How obvious was it that the minimal covering polyplet (and I am not entirely sure it is minimal) included a line from the loaf to the block that stopped by the eater? Or would a line from the long boat to that line then an offshoot to the other block have been shorter? (it's the same length)
EDIT: Confocaloid helped show how obvious the MCPS problem is, by finding a one-cell reduction counteracted by a cell I forgot to add.
Last edited by toroidalet on December 17th, 2023, 1:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
For the top area, the version on the right is smaller by one blue cell, but larger by one red cell which was missing to connect the block that is part of the large still life to the rest
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x = 71, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
21.2A38.2A$21.A.A37.A.A$22.A.A37.A.A$23.2A38.2A$22.B39.B$4.A16.B22.A
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2A$26.A39.A$25.2A38.2A!
toroidalet wrote: ↑December 16th, 2023, 9:24 pmBy the way, the first diehard shows the problem with using MCPS. Look at the top area, with the scattered blocks and turners. How obvious was it that the minimal covering polyplet (and I am not entirely sure it is minimal) included a line from the loaf to the block that stopped by the eater? Or would a line from the long boat to that line then an offshoot to the other block have been shorter? (it's the same length)
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
How about a 20000 cell bounding box limit? For the maximum ammount of time, maybe use a delay device? I decided to make one myself, though it is not complete.
But wait, I need self-destruct help.
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164=164
Code: Select all
x = 97, y = 98, rule = B3/S23
bo18bo$b3o7b2o5b3o46bo11b2o$4bo6b2o4bo48bobo10b2o$3b2o12b2o39bo3b2o2bo
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obo$67b2o12bob2o$62b2o14b4o2bo$61bobo14bo3b2o$61bo18b2o$60b2o19bo$79bo
$79b2o!
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
Here is a potentially useful long-lived and sparky pure glider generator:
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x = 7, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
o$3ob2o$5b2o$bo11$3bo$3b2o!
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Re: Engineered diehards without infinite growth, non-standard-like spaceships, and/or spaceship chasing
Here is another one:
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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$5bo2bo$bo3b2obo$obo$obo$bo2$5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o!
superstrings, fuses, waves, wicks, and agars are cool
30P5H2V0 IS A BAD, UNMEMORIZABLE NAME
moved to new account hth
30P5H2V0 IS A BAD, UNMEMORIZABLE NAME
moved to new account hth