Catagolue Oddities

[LaundryPizza03]

Two soups containing breeders misidentified as zz_LINEAR instead of the correct zz_QUADRATIC or zz_EXPLOSIVE.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B35n/S234t
3obobob2obo$5ob2obobo3bo$o3b2o2b2o2bo$3bob2obo4b3o$bo3bob2ob2ob2o$2ob
2ob3ob6o$2o5bo4bo$2ob2o2b7obo$2o2bo5b2o2b2o$2o3bob5ob2o$4bobob2o2b4o$
4o2bo3bo4bo$ob2obobo3bob2o$5bobob3o2b2o$2bobob3o3b2o$b3o3b2ob2o!

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B35n/S234t
3b2o2bob5obo$3ob2o4bob2o$o2bob2obobo2b2o$b2o2bobo2b3o2bo$bo2b2obob4o2b
o$ob2o2bo2bo2b3o$3ob3o3b3ob2o$b3obobob3obo$o2b2o2b2obo2b2o$3o6bob5o$4b
o4b4o2bo$6ob5o2b2o$2bo5b7o$2o5b2o2bobo$o2b4ob3obobo$obobobo5b4o!

[creeperman7002]

Some ov_p2s have apparently appeared in the C1 census. However, the soups that produce the "p2" are just completely normal soups. I suspect this is a separation issue that treats normal ash as a single object.

[Ian07]

Some ov_p2s have apparently appeared in the C1 census. However, the soups that produce the "p2" are just completely normal soups. I suspect this is a separation issue that treats normal ash as a single object.

In both soups, there are points in their evolution where the soup is entirely stabilized except for a single glider which collides with something and reignites it.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obbbbobboboobbbb$
bbbboobboooooooo$
oobobboobbooooob$
oobobbbbbobbbbob$
oooooboboboobbob$
bbooooobbbobobbb$
oboooobboobbobob$
obbbobobobbboobb$
oooobbobobbobboo$
bbbbbbbbooooobbo$
bbboooooooobboob$
obobooobbboboobo$
bbbobbooboobooob$
oboboobobbbbboob$
bbbbbbbobobobooo$
bbbbooboobbobbbo!

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obooobbobbbobobb$
boobboooboobobbo$
obbbbboboboooobb$
bbbobbbboobbooob$
oooooobbbboboboo$
obbobobobooooobb$
bbooobobbboobobo$
oobbbbbobbooooob$
bboooooooboobooo$
bobobobbbooobbbb$
boooobooobobobbo$
bobboobooobbbboo$
boobbobooobobbbo$
boboobbobboboobo$
ooobbbobbobobobb$
oobboooobbooboob!

EDIT: This issue was reportedly fixed in v5.32.

[mniemiec]

Some ov_p2s have apparently appeared in the C1 census. However, the soups that produce the "p2" are just completely normal soups. I suspect this is a separation issue that treats normal ash as a single object.

In both soups, there are points in their evolution where the soup is entirely stabilized except for a single glider which collides with something and reignites it. ...

That may be so, but it's logically incorrect to separate out gliders or other spaceships, unless they are at an outside edge, far enough away that it's impossible for them to collide with anything else.

[LaundryPizza03]

The xq37886 in this rule is repeatedly misidentified as yl4362.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3-cj4jrt5e6ein7e/S2aek3ijnqr4cein5acin6ckn78
o2bo2bo2bo$b2ob2ob7obo$4obo3bob5o$3obo3bobob2obo$3b2obob5obo$o2bobo2bo
b3ob2o$b2obo2b4ob4o$2bob2obob2o4bo$2b2o2b2obo2bobo$bob2o3bobobo2bo$bob
2ob2obo2b2o$b2ob2o3b2obobo$2bobo2bob5o$2o3bo2bo2b3obo$o3b2o5b3o$2ob2ob
o2bobobo!

[yujh]

The xq37886 in this rule is repeatedly misidentified as yl4362.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3-cj4jrt5e6ein7e/S2aek3ijnqr4cein5acin6ckn78
o2bo2bo2bo$b2ob2ob7obo$4obo3bob5o$3obo3bobob2obo$3b2obob5obo$o2bobo2bo
b3ob2o$b2obo2b4ob4o$2bob2obob2o4bo$2b2o2b2obo2bobo$bob2o3bobobo2bo$bob
2ob2obo2b2o$b2ob2o3b2obobo$2bobo2bob5o$2o3bo2bo2b3obo$o3b2o5b3o$2ob2ob
o2bobobo!

wow, that is a bit wild. I can see the reason why apgsearch did that, maybe it needs to check for more than 4 cycles(in case of a failed rro) but might increase the search time. and 6 for hexagonal rules.

[LaundryPizza03]

The xq13386 in this rule is sometimes misidentified as "yl429_1_-3_840ae4d79b0bce1dd50b1f250c01b483". It consists of a c/3d wickstretcher connected to a slightly faster fuse that burns at 48c/143d. I have not seen this in other rules with similar high-period spaceships.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3aeiry4kz5j6kn8/S2-ci3-ac4aijwyz5ajr6-i7c8
b2ob2o3b4o2bo$3obob3ob2ob3o$obo3b4o2b2o$4obob4o2b2o$2o2bobo3bo2bo$ob2o
2b3o3b3o$b2o2b2ob2o2b4o$2bobo4bo2b3o$o2bobob3o4b2o$b2obob5obob2o$obobo
3bobobo2bo$2b2o4bobo2b2o$6o2b2obobo$b2o4b3o4b2o$3b2obob2obobo$2bo2b2o
3bob2obo!

[GUYTU6J]

The xq37886 in this rule is repeatedly misidentified as yl4362.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2kn3-cj4jrt5e6ein7e/S2aek3ijnqr4cein5acin6ckn78
...

My theory is that if apgsearch starts identifying the spaceship after a certain time limit, then it detects that the "rotating puffer" has a population that increases with a period of 4362 and 2 types of difference (4 and 6 due to the two phases of the p2) that sum to 10 cells.

The xq13386 in this rule is sometimes misidentified as "yl429_1_-3_840ae4d79b0bce1dd50b1f250c01b483". It consists of a c/3d wickstretcher connected to a slightly faster fuse that burns at 48c/143d. ....

Similarly, the pattern's population appears to decrease with a period of 429 and only 1 type of difference at -3 cells. Certainly interesting.

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The latter synthesis is not reduced after the former is submitted as the second to last step:

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#C [[ GRID MAXGRIDSIZE 14 THEME Catagolue ]]
#CSYNTH xs19_4a9jwcczx1qm costs 9 gliders (pseudo).
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 167, y = 89, rule = B3/S23
166bo$164b2o$165b2o17$84bo$82bobo$83b2o40$123bo$121b2o$122b2o2$
113bo$113b2o$112bobo2bobo$117b2o$118bo7$37bobo$38b2o$38bo2$47bo$bo
45bo58b3o5b3o$2bo36b2o6bo$3o35bobo77bo$40bo2b3o3b3o66bo$4b3o111bo$
6bo40bo$5bo41bo66b3o$47bo!

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#C [[ GRID MAXGRIDSIZE 14 THEME Catagolue ]]
#CSYNTH xs15_4a9jzx1qm costs 11 gliders (true).
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 221, y = 72, rule = B3/S23
116bo$117b2o$116b2o14$166bo$167b2o4bo$166b2o4bo$172b3o$219bo$218bo
$62bo98bobo10bo43b3o$bo60bo98b2o11bo$2bo59bo94bo4bo11bo40b2o$3o34b
o118bobo56b2o$38b2o7b3o8b3o3b3o89bobo11b3o3b3o30bob2o$4b3o30b2o4bo
3bo109bo51b2obo$6bo36b2o3bo13bo111bo38b2o2b2o$5bo36bobo17bo89b2o
20bo40bo2bo$62bo89b2o20bo40bobo$216bo38$97b3o$99bo$98bo!

EDIT: this issue seems to be solved half a day later.

[Citation needed]

Catagolue says that this is an oscillator but actually it isn't.

xp414_w8gw259r84z79431y1go4iszx42rik8w128ca7zy1e5z79431y5av5gb842rik8w128ca7zy1e31y5av9431y1go4iszx42rik8w128ca7zy1e5z75gb842rir84z79431y1go4iszx42rik8av5gb842rik8w128ca

[Ian07]

Catagolue says that this is an oscillator but actually it isn't.

xp414_w8gw259r84z79431y1go4iszx42rik8w128ca7zy1e5z79431y5av5gb842rik8w128ca7zy1e31y5av9431y1go4iszx42rik8w128ca7zy1e5z75gb842rir84z79431y1go4iszx42rik8av5gb842rik8w128ca

This is not a bug. Past period 130, Catagolue just assumes the prefix is accurate, since it takes too long to actually simulate the oscillator. This is also why you don't see the min/max population or the rulespace.

[Ian07]

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xp2 ... b3s23/C4_4 has a C4_4 sample soup that was found by Charity Engine on February 19, 2022. It doesn't even produce that constellation:

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x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
obbbbbobboooobooobbbooboboooobbo$
bbobbobooooooobbboobbboboobobobb$
bobbbboobbooobbbobboobbbbobobbob$
obbbbobbobobobobbbboooboobbobbbb$
ooooooooboobbbbbobooboobbooobbbb$
obbboobbbbbbbooboobbbobobbooobob$
ooobobbbbboobobbbobbbbooobbobobo$
bobobbobobobboobbbbooooobbboboob$
obbobooooooboobbboobbbooobbbobob$
bobbobooobobbobbobbbbobobbbobboo$
obboooboboobboobbooboooooobooooo$
oboobbbobbooooobbbboobbbbobbbooo$
bbooobbobbbobbobobbbobbobbbboooo$
bobbobbbobobbbobbbbbooooooobbbob$
bobbboobobobbbbooboooobbobobobbo$
oboboobbbobboboooobbbbbbbbbbbbbo$
obbbbbbbbbbbbboooobobbobbboobobo$
obbobobobbooooboobbbboboboobbbob$
bobbbooooooobbbbbobbbobobbbobbob$
oooobbbbobbobbbobobbobbbobbooobb$
ooobbbobbbboobbbbooooobbobbboobo$
ooooobooooooboobboobboobobooobbo$
oobbobbbobobbbbobbobbobooobobbob$
bobobbbooobbboobbbooboooooobobbo$
boobobbbooooobbbboobbobobobbobob$
obobobbooobbbbobbboboobbbbbobooo$
bobooobbobobbbooboobbbbbbboobbbo$
bbbbooobbooboobobbbbbooboooooooo$
bbbbobboobooobbbbobobobobbobbbbo$
bobbobobbbboobbobbbooobboobbbbob$
bboboboobobbboobbbooooooobobbobb$
obbooooboboobbboooboooobbobbbbbo!

[KyYay]

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/b3s ... soups/xs10 has an invalid still life at the very bottom of the list (xs10_g8ov52z01). The object page itself will just tell you the object is invalid, which makes it hard to see the attributes for this object.
Edit: This has been removed from the symmetry it came from (D8_1), and thus will be removed from all-soups the next time it updates.

[hotdogPi]

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/b3s ... soups/xs10 has an invalid still life at the very bottom of the list (xs10_g8ov52z01). The object page itself will just tell you the object is invalid, which makes it hard to see the attributes for this object.

It looks like a boat-tie where one of the characters in the apgcode got replaced with a capital letter or some other invalid character.

[ihatecorderships]

How does Jason's p22 have 2 G2_2 soups and 0 C2_2 ones, when C2_2 has so much more soups than G2_2? (7.4 vs 2.6 trillion)

[Ian07]

How does Jason's p22 have 2 G2_2 soups and 0 C2_2 ones, when C2_2 has so much more soups than G2_2? (7.4 vs 2.6 trillion)

We just got mildly unlucky, that's all. The odds of both of them appearing in the most recent 2.6 trillion soups, out of 10 trillion, are 6.76%.

[LaundryPizza03]

It is impossible to view the hauls in b34ws23/D8_1. This is probalematic because I need to be able to discern the discovery date of an object in this rule.

[confocaloid]

It is impossible to view the hauls in b34ws23/D8_1. This is probalematic because I need to be able to discern the discovery date of an object in this rule.

You can remove the URL suffix after question mark: link.
Edit:

The census b34w6ns23-e7/C1, last updated on 18 March 2017, is missing a pie chart.

This happens for many censuses with very old most recent submitted hauls. I think it can be solved by submitting a new haul not smaller than the largest previously submitted haul and waiting until it goes green and the census page cache refreshes.

[LaundryPizza03]

The census b34w6ns23-e7/C1, last updated on 18 March 2017, is missing a pie chart.

[LaundryPizza03]

The object xp8_gfnz1op1zy066wba4666 in standard Life is misidentified as "figure eights sharing duoplet" instead of "blockers sharing duoplet".

[hotdogPi]

The object xp8_gfnz1op1zy066wba4666 in standard Life is misidentified as "figure eights sharing duoplet" instead of "blockers sharing duoplet".

Sorry. That's my fault. I added about 500 names.

[LaundryPizza03]

The pie chart at b3s1367/C1 failed to update when I uploaded and committed a haul today.
EDIT: The issue resolved itself fairly quickly.

[gzaytman]

The census for rule B2c3ae4ai56c/S2-kn3-enq4 contains a lot of invalid still lifes. For example, it contains a dot even though the rule doesn't contain S0.

[LaundryPizza03]

This soup containing a c/2o and a 172c/352o heading in the same direction is misclassified as PATHOLOGICAL.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3aeijr4jkz6cn7c8/S2-i3-ak4ceinrtz5acjkr6cn78
3obo3b3o2b2o$2b3o2b2ob4obo$obo4bobo3bobo$2o3b2o4bob3o$b3o2bobo2b4o$3bo
3bo2b2ob3o$o2b2o2bobob2ob2o$obob2o2bob4obo$6ob2o2b2ob2o$2bobo4bo2b2o$
2b2o2b3o2bo3bo$3ob3obo3b2o$2bob2o2bo5b2o$b3ob3obobobo$3ob4ob2o3bo$b4ob
ob3ob4o!

[GUYTU6J]

In the latest commit, two glider guns of periods 8213 and 9847 (from this post) are not accepted.

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Checking periodicity with exponent 10...
Checking periodicity with exponent 12...
Checking periodicity with exponent 14...
Checking periodicity with exponent 16...
Oscillation not detected (try increasing maxexp?)
# Not a gun

But an earlier commit admitted gun_6579 successfully.

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Checking periodicity with exponent 10...
Checking periodicity with exponent 12...
Checking periodicity with exponent 14...
Checking periodicity with exponent 16...
True period: 6579
Stream period: 6579
#CSYNTH gun_6579 costs 10744 cells.
#C period 6579 fullperiod 6579 bbox 136 by 79

Is there some limit/threshold on the period of gun like 8192? If yes, please elevate because I have submitted them again.

[GUYTU6J]

Double post after two months.
1. Catagolue has been faced with a serious 503 Over Quota for about an hour; how to find out the cause?
2. When updating synthesis, jobs log like this mentions a lengthy list of apgcodes mysteriously, saying "435 apgcodes with better syntheses in Catagolue: ..." What does it mean?
3. Check the xp264 entry on Syntheses. Why is the name "period-sextupled period-44 pi-heptomino hassler" assigned to a trivial p264 (I see it being p88 on one side and p132 on the other) rather than a nontrivial p264?