For posterity, so silversmith's post from a good few days ago doesn't appear like the last word on the subject: the majority view and only sense of the term for most of its existence is that the LifeWiki definition of the term "drifter" is, strictly speaking, incorrect and is generally understood as referring to perturbations within still, non-vacuum media.
"Drifter" originated as the name of a search program written by Dean Hickerson, in common parlance shortened to dr to avoid ambiguity, which was designed to search for active perturbations within a stable background. Searches using dr began with a specified small cutout of a still-life background pattern, upon which a small initial perturbation would be specified. The term "drifter" thus began to be applied to patterns with the implication that dr would probably be good at finding them. dr was not intended to search for spaceships or conduits, so they were never referred to as drifters.
So by giving a cursory glance at some of the patterns that have been referred to as drifters, you come out with the impression that drifters are perturbations within dense stable media where both the medium and the perturbation have splits between OFF and ON cells that are somewhat close to 50/50. Or rather, the perturbation is often dominated by OFF cells, effectively "moving" as cells on the leading edge of the perturbation die off and ones on the trailing edge are born.
Of course, with a definition as vague as "something this program would be good at finding", you could definitely find edge cases where a perturbation is mostly ON and travelling through a mostly OFF medium. You could draw a bright-line division between what is and what isn't a drifter, but it'd be a lost cause - someone's bound to disagree with you. On the other hand, as you get closer along the line of active regions to a free-floating signal travelling through conduits, what you'll notice is that people start telling you to stop calling the things you encounter along the way drifters.
So what's wrong about just using the term "drifter" exactly how it's currently given on LifeWiki? Well, aside from the fact the wiki should reflect established usage and not the other way around, "drifter" is a nice, clear term to use because of its specificity - the single word conjures up a reasonably well-defined mental image of what it refers to. Generalise it and that image is destroyed, and you end up with a term about as concrete as confocal's "active object". Or, no, even more vague, since "object" typically refers to some congregation of ON cells, while a drifter is free to incorporate a much more significant amount of active OFF cells, so essentially a synonym of the "active region" I gave as a hypernym above.
confocaloid wrote: ↑September 19th, 2023, 1:28 pm
The question of whether or not the
p43 Snark loop contains any signals is different from the questions regarding the content of the entry
signal. What should or should not be considered a "mainstream use" of words is another different question. How to word articles that rely on the concept of signals is yet another different question.
Perfect is the enemy of the good. Whether or not the two options given by the poll actually represent a conflation of multiple independent and increasingly general questions, debating whether the poll should be completely disregarded due to the answer to that serves little in the way of progress.
I personally don't see how the different questions you propose don't answer themselves, however. LifeWiki glossary articles must reflect actual mainstream usage, and whether the interpretation of the p43 as containing eight circulating signals is a mainstream use of the term "signal" is to be determined by the poll. Hence I also don't see why you have such an issue with the existence of the poll, so I'm all ears if you'd care to elaborate.
You claim that "the existing definitions are still fine as they are", I'd like to explicitly and directly disagree with that. Of no value is a definition which reflects incorrectly upon actual contemporaneous usage of the term it defines, especially in this community which has proven time and time again that they will happily reject any perfectly logical term definition in favour of whatever they first came up with when the concept the term referred to started being a thing, subtly misinterpreted over a number of years until no accurate written definition exists. The 2003 definition still holds water perfectly well, yes, but it takes a few seconds to change a definition, compared to the mountain of luck and sea of patience required to change general usage, i.e. the term's actual meaning.
dvgrn wrote: ↑September 19th, 2023, 11:35 am
Just for the record, I'd be very interested to hear from people who haven't spoken up on this thread yet, especially if they voted to keep the definition the way it is.
I voted to update the definition, to generalise it. In the case of "signal", unlike for "drifter" which could draw out a defined mental image, the term has never referred to a specific pattern of patterns, merely a possible usage of objects in relation to other patterns. It's always been a relatively general term, and as is the tendency for such terms has evolved to serve as a catch-all for any object that has the potential to fill in the role, even if it doesn't in that specific instance, suggesting that it just isn't that useful to have a dedicated term for the more specific sense especially without a similar dedicated term for the more general sense.
None of the suggested candidates for replacing "signal" in that more general sense seem particularly compelling either. "Drifter" is unsuitable and also would need to be replaced itself, which just sounds like too much trouble. "Active object" is far too vague - you would never describe an active object in some generic reaction as a signal - and it also doesn't seem like all patterns falling under "signal" would be considered objects, such as the drifters in 2c/3 wire and similar. "Active region" is even more vague; you might as well just call them "things".
Thanks goes out to dvgrn for giving me the kick in the pants necessary for me to finally say something here about this, and also for coming up with more than a handful of lines I stole directly from to put the least amount of conscious effort into this I possibly could.