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[B468S02357]

Can anyone find a way to fix this overengineered herschel eater partial without massively changing it's structure? Yes i know there are smaller herschel eaters. I don't care.

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x = 3846, y = 3215, rule = B3/S23
356b2o$356bobo$358bo4b2o$354b4ob2o2bo2bo$354bo2bobobobob2o$357bobobob
o$358b2obobo$362bo2$348b2o$349bo7b2o$349bobo5b2o$350b2o7$360b2o$360bo
$361b3o$363bo322b2o$686bobo$688bo4b2o$684b4ob2o2bo2bo$684bo2bobobobob
2o$687bobobobo$688b2obobo$692bo2$678b2o$679bo7b2o$679bobo5b2o$680b2o7$
690b2o$690bo$691b3o$693bo42$600b2o$600bobo$602bo4b2o$598b4ob2o2bo2bo$
598bo2bobobobob2o$601bobobobo$602b2obobo$606bo2$592b2o$593bo7b2o$593b
obo5b2o$594b2o7$604b2o$604bo$605b3o$607bo30$615bo$525b2o88b3o10bo$525b
obo90bo7b3o$527bo4b2o83b2o6bo$523b4ob2o2bo2bo89b2o$523bo2bobobobob2o$
17b2o507bobobobo$17bo509b2obobo$11b2o6bobo509bo101bo$7b2obobo2b6obo2b
o605b3o$8bobo4bo6b4o491b2o111bo$8bob2o6b4o496bo7b2o77b2o10bo12b2o$5b2o
bo9bo2bob3o492bobo5b2o75bo2bo9bobo$5bo2b4o10b2o2bo492b2o80b4o11bobo$6b
2o3bo13b2o573bo4b4o8bo$8b3o590b3obo2bo$8bo594bobo25b2o$6bobo595bo26bo
bo$6b2o625bo$633b2o$bo527b2o$b3o6b2o517bo$4bo4bobo16b2o500b3o99bo$3b2o
5bo17b2o502bo98bobo$631bobo$630b2ob2o$4bo601bo27bo$3bobo600bobo21b2ob
o$4bo601b3o21b2obobo$608bo25b2o5$8bo$7bobo$8b2o624b2o$630b2obobo$2b2o
626b2obo44b2o$bobo13b2o615bo42bobo37b2o$bo15b2o611b2ob2o36b2o4bo38bob
o$2o10b2o166b2o449bobo35bo2bo2b2ob4o28b2o4bo$12bobo166bo449bobo35b2ob
obobobo2bo26bo2bo2b2ob4o$14bo164bo452bo39bobobobo29b2obobobobo2bo$14b
2o163b5o14b2o472bobob2o33bobobobo$184bo13bo474bo37bobob2o$181b3o12bob
o513bo$180bo15b2o488b2o$180b4o364bo128b2o7bo38b2o$178b2o3bo3b2o357b3o
128b2o5bobo29b2o7bo$177bo2b3o4b2o356bo74b2o62b2o30b2o5bobo$177b2obo364b
2o72bobo101b2o$180bo432b2o4bo$180b2o429bo2bo2b2ob4o$611b2obobobobo2bo
$614bobobobo$188b2o424bobob2o$189bo425bo58b2o$186b3o346b2o138bo37b2o$
186bo347bobo5b2o84b2o42b3o39bo$534bo7b2o75b2o7bo43bo38b3o$533b2o84b2o
5bobo82bo$626b2o$547bo$543b2obobo$542bobobobo$539bo2bobobobob2o77bo$539b
4ob2o2bo2bo77b3o$543bo4b2o82bo$541bobo72b2o13b2o$541b2o74bo$614b3o$536b
2o76bo$536bo$534bobo$534b2o10bo$546b3o20b2o70b2o$549bo20bo63b2o5bobo$
548b2o18bo65b2o7bo$513b2o48b2o3b5o14b2o54b2o$513b2o48bo9bo13bo$560b2o
bo6b3o12bobo42bo$559bo2bo6bo15b2o42bobob2o$560b2o7b4o56bobobobo$545b2o
20b2o3bo3b2o48b2obobobobo2bo$545b2o19bo2b3o4b2o48bo2bo2b2ob4o$566b2ob
o58b2o4bo$569bo64bobo125b2o$569b2o64b2o125bo$532b2o3bo226bo$532bo3bob
o205b2o14b5o$533bo3bobo37b2o166bo13bo$534bo3bobob2o34bo166bobo12b3o$525b
2o5bob4o2bob2o31b3o168b2o15bo$525bo5bobo3bobo35bo184b4o$526b3o2bobo2b
o2b2ob2o211b2o3bo3b2o$528bo3bo3b2o2bobo212b2o4b3o2bo$540bobo10b2o208b
ob2o$541bo11b2o208bo$762b2o3$754b2o$754bo$755b3o$757bo10$708b2o$708bo
$710bo$690b2o14b5o$691bo13bo$691bobo12b3o$692b2o15bo$706b4o$628bo72b2o
3bo3b2o48b2o$628b3o70b2o4b3o2bo47bo$631bo77bob2o49bo$630b2o77bo32b2o14b
5o$708b2o33bo13bo$458b2o283bobo12b3o$458bo285b2o15bo$456bobo241b2o56b
4o$456b2o10bo231bo52b2o3bo3b2o$468b3o230b3o49b2o4b3o2bo$471bo168b2o61b
o57bob2o$470b2o161b2o5bobo118bo$435b2o48b2o146b2o7bo117b2o$435b2o48bo
156b2o$482b2obo$481bo2bo144bo122b2o142b2o$482b2o144bobob2o94b2o22bo142b
obo$467b2o159bobobobo94bo23b3o133b2o4bo$467b2o156b2obobobobo2bo33bo55b
o27bo131bo2bo2b2ob4o$625bo2bo2b2ob4o31b3o55b5o14b2o139b2obobobobo2bo$
627b2o4bo34bo63bo13bo143bobobobo$633bobo32b2o59b3o12bobo143bobob2o$454b
2o3bo174b2o92bo15b2o145bo$454bo3bobo267b4o$455bo3bobo264b2o3bo3b2o167b
2o$456bo3bobob2o259bo2b3o4b2o158b2o7bo$447b2o5bob4o2bob2o259b2obo166b
2o5bobo$447bo5bobo3bobo266bo173b2o$448b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o192b2o68b2o$450b
o3bo3b2o2bobo192bobo5b2o$462bobo10b2o180bo7b2o$463bo11b2o179b2o78b2o$
737bo$670bo63b3o$666b2obobo62bo157b2o$665bobobobo221bo$662bo2bobobobo
b2o215b3o$662b4ob2o2bo2bo215bo$666bo4b2o$664bobo$664b2o3$600b2o$600bo
bo$602bo4b2o$598b4ob2o2bo2bo$598bo2bobobobob2o$601bobobobo$602b2obobo
$606bo2$592b2o$593bo7b2o$593bobo5b2o$594b2o6$380b2o$380bo223b2o$378bo
bo223bo$378b2o10bo214b3o$390b3o214bo$393bo$392b2o$357b2o48b2o$357b2o48b
o$404b2obo$403bo2bo$404b2o$389b2o$389b2o$571b2o$572bo66bo$570bo66b3o$
376b2o3bo188b5o14b2o45bo$376bo3bobo192bo13bo46b2o$377bo3bobo188b3o12b
obo$378bo3bobob2o183bo15b2o$369b2o5bob4o2bob2o183b4o$369bo5bobo3bobo185b
2o3bo3b2o$370b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o180bo2b3o4b2o$372bo3bo3b2o2bobo181b2ob
o$384bobo10b2o172bo54b2o$385bo11b2o172b2o52bobo5b2o$625bo7b2o$624b2o$
579b2o$580bo57bo$577b3o54b2obobo$577bo55bobobobo$630bo2bobobobob2o$630b
4ob2o2bo2bo$634bo4b2o$632bobo$632b2o9$619b2o$619bo$621bo$601b2o14b5o$
602bo13bo$602bobo12b3o$603b2o15bo$617b4o$612b2o3bo3b2o$612b2o4b3o2bo$
620bob2o$620bo$619b2o3$611b2o$611bo$612b3o$614bo92$341bo$341b3o$344bo
$343b2o7$353b2o$346b2o5bobo$346b2o7bo$355b2o2$197bo144bo$197b3o141bob
ob2o$200bo140bobobobo$199b2o137b2obobobobo2bo$338bo2bo2b2ob4o$340b2o4b
o$191b2o153bobo$191bo155b2o$188b2obo$188bo2b3o4b2o$189b2o3bo3b2o$191b
4o$191bo15b2o$192b3o12bobo$195bo13bo$190b5o14b2o$190bo$192bo$191b2o66$
590bo$590b3o$593bo$592b2o7$602b2o$595b2o5bobo$595b2o7bo$604b2o2$591bo
$590bobob2o$590bobobobo$587b2obobobobo2bo$587bo2bo2b2ob4o$589b2o4bo$595b
obo$596b2o36$341bo$339b3o$338bo$338b2o7$328b2o$327bobo5b2o$327bo7b2o$
326b2o2$340bo$336b2obobo$335bobobobo$332bo2bobobobob2o$332b4ob2o2bo2b
o$336bo4b2o$334bobo$334b2o415$1595bo$1593b3o$1592bo$1592b2o3$1600b2o$
1601bo$1601bob2o$1593b2o4b3o2bo$1593b2o3bo3b2o$1598b4o$1584b2o15bo$1583b
obo12b3o$1583bo13bo$1582b2o14b5o$1602bo$1600bo$1600b2o11$1564bo$1564b
3o$1567bo$1566b2o7$1576b2o$1569b2o5bobo$1569b2o7bo$1578b2o2$1565bo$1564b
obob2o$1564bobobobo$1561b2obobobobo2bo$1561bo2bo2b2ob4o$1563b2o4bo$1569b
obo$1570b2o2040$3836bo$3834b3o$3833bo$3833b2o3$3841b2o$3842bo$3842bob
2o$3834b2o4b3o2bo$3834b2o3bo3b2o$3839b4o$3825b2o15bo$3824bobo12b3o$3824b
o13bo$3823b2o14b5o$3843bo$3841bo$3841b2o11$3805bo$3805b3o$3808bo$3807b
2o7$3817b2o$3810b2o5bobo$3810b2o7bo$3819b2o2$3806bo$3805bobob2o$3805b
obobobo$3802b2obobobobo2bo$3802bo2bo2b2ob4o$3804b2o4bo$3810bobo$3811b
2o!

[I6_I6]

EDIT 18 Apr (unrelated):
The T-tetromino in B2ai3aeir4cer5ei/S3e4e5e is a wickstretcher-like lightspeed growth, where the inside of the wick simulates a simple XOR rep, where OFF causes the back to shorten:

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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2ai3aeir4cer5ei/S3e4e5e
o$2o$o!

The net growth of that object is linear, but it doesn't grow steadily. What'd it be called?

[WhiteHawk]

This is a SW14T265, which is a new lane. The eater on the right can be replaced with a block:

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Thanks!
How many lanes are (or aren't, if that's easier) known?

EDIT:

SW-21T169

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Is this conduit connectable without a direct herschel synthesis?

EDIT 2: Never mind, unsuppressed f116 works

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x = 61, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
29bo7b2o$29b3o5b2o$32bo15bo$31b2o13b3o$45bo$45b2o6$49b2o$8bo40b2o$8b3o
$11bo$10b2o2$31bo$31b3o$34bo$33b2o22b2o$57bo$55bobo$55b2o3$o53b2o$obo
29bo21bobo$3o29bo23bo$2bo29b3o21b2o$34bo5$25b2o30b2o$19b2o5bo8b2o19bo
2bo$19bobob3o9bo20bobobo$12b2o7bobo8b2obo19b2o2bo$12b2o7b2o9bo2bob2o2b
2o9bo4b2o$34b2obo2bo2bo8b5o$38b2ob2o7b2o4bo$39bobo9bo2b2o$38bo2bobo7b
obo$38b2o2b2o5bobobo$47b3ob2o$46bo3bo$46bobobo$47bobo$48bo!

[otismo]

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[EDen68]

How do I put life patterns on 1E1PLife? Thank you.

[I6_I6]

What's the smallest and/or fastest parity-changing 0˚ glider reflector out there? (Preferably CP.) Both Bandersnatch and the March 2023 reflector are parity-preserving.
One output of the Scorbie splitter is parity-changing:

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x = 58, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
2bo43bo$3bo42b3o$b3o45bo$40bo7b2o$40b3o$18bo24bo$16b3o23b2o$15bo$15b2o
$2o$bo$bob2o$2bo2bo$3b2o$18b2o13b2o$18b2o13b2o7$21b2obo6b2o$21b2ob3o3b
obo21b2o$27bo2bo23bobo$21b2ob3o2b2o25bo$22bobo31b2o$10b2o10bobo$10b2o
11bo18$3bo$4bo$2b3o!

But is there anything smaller? I guess I'll take a look at the H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection.

[WhiteHawk]

A p108 found by mvr posted to discord, in 38G.

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Is there a crosspost to Oscillator Discussion Thread coming?

[Empty Emptiness]

Does it count as a universal constructor if it does not have a glider synthesis?

[NNlk05]

Does it count as a universal constructor if it does not have a glider synthesis?

As long if it can construct anything glider construable it is a UC.
But this means the UC can not self-replicate

[otismo]

is FirePuffer a Space Filler

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#C [[ TITLE "FirePuffer" ]]
x = 55, y = 18, rule = 01345/34/25
41.A$36.A2.3AB3.A$34.A4.2A2CA4.A$31.AP.V4.2AC2BD$22.A5.2APQNO.W3.CB3E
CA4.A$21.4A2.P2AMNROPX.XWH2DG2D$20.2A2B3AO2QNO.Q4.IHGFIFG$20.EAD3A.2P
SPX5.JOMKJGH7.A$19.2A2FAG.S2TVST3.AJK2MJ2I$18.ADAF2HAFS2TWU6.OLKL8.A$
3.CBAIHGONMUTS.A.2ACEJ2AERARSVX5.U.A$2.D2AJ2AP2AV2A.3AJKFJLAVWRVXQFG
4.ST7.BA$3AE2AK2AQ2AW3AD2AJLKP2AVXW.EH2A2.RUAS4.ECBAB2A$2ACEGIKMOQSUW
2.A.3AGJ4ASVDCG2A.QA2S3.BCFD2C2A$2AC2AI2AO2AU2A.2AD2HAIAP2TAUC3AG.ONQ
RS.3A2D3A5.X$.B2AH2AN2AT6AEFG2KAQRS2WDCEF2.PNOR3.A4B2A3.2AW$2.A2.GFEM
LKSRQ.XW3.JIJ3.VUV6.OA4.2A3BA.A2.2A.X$21.A5.A5.A5.A3.3A5.WVWA!

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[B468S02357]

is FirePuffer a Space Filler

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#C [[ TITLE "FirePuffer" ]]
x = 55, y = 18, rule = 01345/34/25
41.A$36.A2.3AB3.A$34.A4.2A2CA4.A$31.AP.V4.2AC2BD$22.A5.2APQNO.W3.CB3E
CA4.A$21.4A2.P2AMNROPX.XWH2DG2D$20.2A2B3AO2QNO.Q4.IHGFIFG$20.EAD3A.2P
SPX5.JOMKJGH7.A$19.2A2FAG.S2TVST3.AJK2MJ2I$18.ADAF2HAFS2TWU6.OLKL8.A$
3.CBAIHGONMUTS.A.2ACEJ2AERARSVX5.U.A$2.D2AJ2AP2AV2A.3AJKFJLAVWRVXQFG
4.ST7.BA$3AE2AK2AQ2AW3AD2AJLKP2AVXW.EH2A2.RUAS4.ECBAB2A$2ACEGIKMOQSUW
2.A.3AGJ4ASVDCG2A.QA2S3.BCFD2C2A$2AC2AI2AO2AU2A.2AD2HAIAP2TAUC3AG.ONQ
RS.3A2D3A5.X$.B2AH2AN2AT6AEFG2KAQRS2WDCEF2.PNOR3.A4B2A3.2AW$2.A2.GFEM
LKSRQ.XW3.JIJ3.VUV6.OA4.2A3BA.A2.2A.X$21.A5.A5.A5.A3.3A5.WVWA!

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Not really, spacefillers typically are symmetrical in at least oGET OUT OF MY HEADne line and aren't chaotic
Also
How is it determined if an oblique spaceship is nonmonotonic?

[wwei47]

Is AbhpzTa's 3G switch engine the only known 3G switch engine? Is there a list of all known 4G switch engines? Is anything known about switch engines from 2G+XWSS?

[I6_I6]

...
Also
How is it determined if an oblique spaceship is nonmonotonic?

I think you draw a straight line perpendicular to the spaceship's direction of travel, right at its frontmost edge, and see if that line ever moves backward throughout a cycle the ship's evolution.

[wwei47]

Are there any ways to support Kazyan's periodic syringe at P13 or P26? I couldn't find anything that works, but I might have missed something.
viewtopic.php?p=75374#p75374

[B468S02357]

How close are we to getting to a c/261o elementary spaceship?

[I6_I6]

How close are we to getting to a c/261o elementary spaceship?

Not very close.

[hotdogPi]

Why 261 in particular? Is there a one-cell-off partial I don't know about?

[WhiteHawk]

Why 261 in particular? Is there a one-cell-off partial I don't know about?

What elementary spaceships (EDIT: speeds) in life are "closest", in your opinion, to completion/solution?

[NNlk05]

What elementary spaceships in life are "closest", in your opinion, to completion/solution?

Camelship. I think if we put a few more thousand CPU hours into it we can find it, or at least get really close.

[Empty Emptiness]

Can we extend this forever (we are not counting the trivial case of the barberpole)

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
6bobo2$4bobo5bo2$4bobobobobo2$2bobo3bo3bo2$obo3bobobo2$o3bobo3bo2$obob
o3bobo!

[I6_I6]

Can anyone find a way to fix this overengineered herschel eater partial without massively changing it's structure? Yes i know there are smaller herschel eaters. I don't care.

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Here you go:

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x = 115, y = 116, rule = B3/S23
68bo$68b3o10bo$71bo7b3o$70b2o6bo$78b2o4$86bo$84b3o$83bo$58b2o10bo12b2o
$56bo2bo9bobo$54b4o11bobo$53bo4b4o8bo$54b3obo2bo$56bobo25b2o$57bo26bo
bo$86bo$86b2o3$85bo$84bobo$84bobo$83b2ob2o$59bo27bo$59bobo21b2obo$59b
3o21b2obobo$61bo25b2o8$83b2o$83bo$84b3o$86bo6$51bo$51b3o$54bo$53b2o15b
2o$69bobo$49b2o14b2o2bo$48bo2bo13bobob2o$48bob2o14b2obo2bo$47b2o22b2o
$46bo3b2o$47b3o2bo$50b2obo15b2o$49bo2bo5bo10b2o$49b2o6bobo$57bobo$58b
o$9bo58b2o40b2o$9b3o57bo40bo$12bo39b2o12b3o43bo$11b2o39b2o12bo25b2o14b
5o$67b2o24bo13bo$68bo24bobo12b3o$3b2o62bo4bo17bo3b2o15bo$3bo63b2o2bob
o15bobo16b4o$2obo68bo5b2o3b2o5bo12b2o3bo3b2o$o2b3o4b2o65bo2bobo2bo17b
2o4b3o2bo$b2o3bo3b2o66b2o3b2o26bob2o$3b4o104bo$3bo15b2o10bo78b2o$4b3o
12bobo7b3o$7bo13bo6bo$2b5o14b2o5b2o72b2o$2bo99bo$4bo98b3o$3b2o100bo7$
14b2o$14b2o$67b2o$68bo$36b2o30bobo$25b2o9b2o20bo10b2o17b2ob2obo$24bo2b
o28b3o29b2obob2o$25bobo27bo$26bo28b2o$40b2o$41bo$41bob2o$13bob2o25bo2b
o$11b3ob2o13b2o11b2o45b2o$10bo19b2o26b2o30b2o$11b3ob2o6b2o33b2o$13bob
o7b2o$13bobo$14bo$67bo3b2o$66bobo3bo$65bobo3bo11b2o$61b2obobo3bo12bo$
61b2obo2b4obo11b3o$65bobo3bobo12bo$61b2ob2o2bo2bobo$62bobo2b2o3bo$50b
2o10bobo$50b2o11bo!

EDIT:

57G thanks to a slightly reworked final step.

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x = 1316, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
1229bo$1230bo12bo$1228b3o13bo$1242b3o2$1246bobo26bo$1247b2o27bo$1247bo
26b3o4$1233bo$1234b2o19bobo$1233b2o21b2o$460bo795bo$413bo44b2o787bo17b
obo$411bobo45b2o784bobo18b2o$412b2o832b2o18bo$1232bo58bo$1230bobo57bo$
1231b2o57b3o$1303bo$414bo887bo$415b2o811bobo8bo62b3o$414b2o813b2o2bobo
4b2o$1146bo82bo4b2o3b2o$1137bo6b2o88bo$1135bobo7b2o104b3o$1136b2o115bo
24b2o$1252bo24bo2bo$1277bo2bo$1278b2o$847bobo$847b2o$705bo137bo4bo448b
o$706bo137bo451bo$704b3o135b3o451b3o$709bobo274b2o138b2o138b2o$709b2o
127b3o6b2o137bobo16bo120bobo137bobo$170bo405b2o132bo5b2o122bo6bobo6b2o
129bobo6b2o6bo122bobo6b2o129bobo6b2o$170bobo402bobo11bo125bobo121bo9bo
5bobo131bo5bobo6b3o122bo5bobo131bo5bobo$170b2o403bo11b2o126bo133b2o4bo
133b2o4bo133b2o4bo133b2o4bo$572b2ob2o11b2o122b2ob2o135b2ob2o135b2ob2o
135b2ob2o3b2o130b2ob2o3b2o$573bo139bo139bo139bo7b3o129bo6b2o131bo6b2o$
571bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo7bo129bobo137bobo$290bo280b2o19bo118b2o
138b2o138b2o9bo128b2o138b2o$289bo301bo$289b3o299b3o$146b2o136b2o142b3o
137b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o$146bobo134bobo7b3o131b3o137b3o
137b3o9b2o126b3o9b2o126b3o9b2o126b3o9b2o126b3o9b2o$14bo132bo137bo7bo
425bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo$13bo280bo296b2o128bo139bo139bo139b
o139bo$13b3o272bo139bo139bo21b2o116bo12b2o125bo12b2o125bo12b2o125bo12b
2o125bo12b2o$288b3o137b3o137b3o21bo115b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o$291b
o139bo139bo139bo139bo139bo139bo139bo$142bobo143b2obo136b2obo136b2obo
24b3o109b2obo136b2obo136b2obo136b2obo136b2obo$143b2o142bo2bo136bo2bo
136bo2bo25bo110bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo$12b2o129bo144b2o
120b2o16b2o138b2o27bo110b2o138b2o138b2o138b2o138b2o$12bobo132bo142b3o
118b2o17b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o137b3o$12bo134b2o141bo2bo116b
o19bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo136bo2bo$140bo5bobo
142bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo137bobo$2o136bobo151b
o139bo139bo139bo139bo139bo139bo139bo$b2o136b2o16b2o$o156b2o298b2o847bo
$135b3o318b2o847b2o$10b2o125bo320bo846bobo$9bobo124bo$11bo$139b3o1094b
2o$141bo1093bobo$140bo1096bo3$1314b2o$1313b2o$170b3o1065b3o74bo$170bo
1069bo68b3o$171bo1067bo69bo$1310bo4$1243b2o35b3o$1242bobo35bo$1244bo
36bo14b2o$1295b2o$1297bo2$1289b2o$1289bobo$1289bo!

Reduced to 55G:

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x = 330, y = 115, rule = B3/S23
219bo$220bo12bo$218b3o13bo$232b3o2$236bobo26bo$237b2o27bo$237bo26b3o4$
223bo$224b2o19bobo$223b2o21b2o$246bo$237bo17bobo$235bobo18b2o$236b2o18b
o$222bo82bo$220bobo81bo$221b2o81b3o$187bo129bo$146bo38b2o129bo$144bob
o39b2o30bobo8bo86b3o$145b2o72b2o2bobo4b2o$219bo4b2o3b2o$224bo86bo$310b
o$111bobo196b3o$111b2o$bo73bo36bo$2bo73bo$3o71b3o$37bobo$37b2o$38bo4$
302bo$280b2o20bobo$279bo2bo19b2o$279bo2bo$280b2o6$151b2o115b2o$95b2o54b
obo114bobo$28b2o65bobo6b2o46bobo6b2o78b3o25bobo6b2o$27bobo67bo5bobo48b
o5bobo80bo27bo5bobo$27bo69b2o4bo50b2o4bo81bo28b2o4bo$24b2ob2o71b2ob2o
52b2ob2o112b2ob2o$25bo75bo56bo116bo$23bobo73bobo54bobo114bobo$23b2o74b
2o55b2o115b2o3$20b3o73b3o54b3o114b3o$19b3o73b3o54b3o114b3o3$20bo75bo56b
o116bo$20b3o73b3o54b3o114b3o$23bo46b3o26bo56bo116bo$20b2obo48bo23b2ob
o53b2obo113b2obo$19bo2bo48bo23bo2bo53bo2bo113bo2bo$20b2o74b2o55b2o115b
2o$22b3o73b3o54b3o114b3o$22bo2bo72bo2bo53bo2bo113bo2bo$23bobo73bobo54b
obo114bobo$24bo75bo56bo116bo6$307b3o$307bo$308bo3$298b3o$298bo$299bo9b
o$308b2o10bo$308bobo8b2o$319bobo3$226b2o$225bobo$227bo3$328b2o$327b2o
$228b3o98bo$230bo92b3o$229bo93bo$324bo4$233b2o59b3o$232bobo59bo$234bo
60bo14b2o$309b2o$311bo2$303b2o$303bobo$303bo!

Wow... those syntheses look like they come together using LV scripting commands. How do you even make those??

[B468S02357]

Can anyone find a way to fix this overengineered herschel eater partial without massively changing it's structure? Yes i know there are smaller herschel eaters. I don't care.

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Here you go:

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x = 115, y = 116, rule = B3/S23
68bo$68b3o10bo$71bo7b3o$70b2o6bo$78b2o4$86bo$84b3o$83bo$58b2o10bo12b2o
$56bo2bo9bobo$54b4o11bobo$53bo4b4o8bo$54b3obo2bo$56bobo25b2o$57bo26bo
bo$86bo$86b2o3$85bo$84bobo$84bobo$83b2ob2o$59bo27bo$59bobo21b2obo$59b
3o21b2obobo$61bo25b2o8$83b2o$83bo$84b3o$86bo6$51bo$51b3o$54bo$53b2o15b
2o$69bobo$49b2o14b2o2bo$48bo2bo13bobob2o$48bob2o14b2obo2bo$47b2o22b2o
$46bo3b2o$47b3o2bo$50b2obo15b2o$49bo2bo5bo10b2o$49b2o6bobo$57bobo$58b
o$9bo58b2o40b2o$9b3o57bo40bo$12bo39b2o12b3o43bo$11b2o39b2o12bo25b2o14b
5o$67b2o24bo13bo$68bo24bobo12b3o$3b2o62bo4bo17bo3b2o15bo$3bo63b2o2bob
o15bobo16b4o$2obo68bo5b2o3b2o5bo12b2o3bo3b2o$o2b3o4b2o65bo2bobo2bo17b
2o4b3o2bo$b2o3bo3b2o66b2o3b2o26bob2o$3b4o104bo$3bo15b2o10bo78b2o$4b3o
12bobo7b3o$7bo13bo6bo$2b5o14b2o5b2o72b2o$2bo99bo$4bo98b3o$3b2o100bo7$
14b2o$14b2o$67b2o$68bo$36b2o30bobo$25b2o9b2o20bo10b2o17b2ob2obo$24bo2b
o28b3o29b2obob2o$25bobo27bo$26bo28b2o$40b2o$41bo$41bob2o$13bob2o25bo2b
o$11b3ob2o13b2o11b2o45b2o$10bo19b2o26b2o30b2o$11b3ob2o6b2o33b2o$13bob
o7b2o$13bobo$14bo$67bo3b2o$66bobo3bo$65bobo3bo11b2o$61b2obobo3bo12bo$
61b2obo2b4obo11b3o$65bobo3bobo12bo$61b2ob2o2bo2bobo$62bobo2b2o3bo$50b
2o10bobo$50b2o11bo!

That's not overengineered enough. And you massively changed the structure.

[I6_I6]

Can anyone find a way to fix this overengineered herschel eater partial without massively changing it's structure? Yes i know there are smaller herschel eaters. I don't care.

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Here you go:

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That's not overengineered enough. And you massively changed the structure.

Well, I wasn't sure what'd count as "massively changing the structure" -- you took the FNG and used stable splitters and reflectors to get rid of the debris, which is what I did.

[B468S02357]

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That's not overengineered enough. And you massively changed the structure.

Well, I wasn't sure what'd count as "massively changing the structure" -- you took the FNG and used stable splitters and reflectors to get rid of the debris, which is what I did.

Changing the shape too much. Hey, still i mean, it works so i guess that's technically a fix

[KtT]

Wow... those syntheses look like they come together using LV scripting commands. How do you even make those??

I manually synthesize patterns without using scripts, thinking about what methods I should use to synthesize the patterns I want.
This time, in the final step of Orion synthesis using 57 gliders, the glider marked in white collides with Eater 1 and transforms into a B-heptomino (see generation 58):

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x = 88, y = 91, rule = LifeHistory
.A$2.A12.A$3A13.A$14.3A2$18.A.A26.A$19.2A27.A$19.A26.3A4$5.A$6.2A19.A
.A$5.2A21.2A$28.A$19.A17.A.A$17.A.A18.2A$18.2A18.A$4.A58.A$2.A.A57.A$
3.2A57.3A$75.A$74.A$A.A8.A62.3A$.2A2.A.A4.2A$.A4.2A3.2A$6.A$23.3A$25.
A24.2A$24.A24.A2.A$49.A2.A$50.2A3$69.C$68.C$68.3C$38.2A$38.A.A$39.A.A
6.2A$41.A5.A.A$41.2A4.A$44.2A.2A3.2A$45.A6.2A$43.A.A$43.2A3$40.3A$39.
3A9.2A$51.A.A$53.A$40.A12.2A$40.3A$43.A$40.2A.A$39.A2.A$40.2A$42.3A$42.
A2.A$43.A.A$44.A2$78.A$77.2A$77.A.A3$8.2A$7.A.A$9.A3$86.2A$85.2A$10.3A
74.A$12.A68.3A$11.A69.A$82.A4$15.2A35.3A$14.A.A35.A$16.A36.A14.2A$67.
2A$69.A2$61.2A$61.A.A$61.A!

This led me to realize that synthesizing Orion requires synthesizing B-heptomino at the appropriate positions and timings.
Next, I checked whether it was possible to synthesize B-heptomino with fewer gliders. I focused on the following B-heptomino synthesis method from the collection of synthesis components published by Chris857:

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x = 62, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
62D$62D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.
2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D45.A.A10.2D$2D45.2A11.2D
$2D46.A11.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D12.A45.2D$2D10.A.A45.2D$2D11.2A
45.2D$2D43.A14.2D$2D42.A15.2D$2D42.3A13.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D
58.2D$2D27.D30.2D$2D26.3D29.2D$2D25.2D.D29.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D
$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.
2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D
58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$2D58.2D$62D$62D!

Using this, I confirmed that B-heptomino could be synthesized without affecting the 20-cell still life or toad by the gliders or sparks generated during the transformation process.
However, if the blocks were synthesized before the B-heptomino synthesized, the gliders used to synthesize the B-heptomino would collide with the blocks, so it was necessary to synthesize the blocks after synthesizing the B-heptomino:

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x = 43, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
34.A$12.2A20.A.A$11.A2.A19.2A$11.A2.A$12.2A6$2A$A.A$.A.A6.2A$3.A5.A.A
$3.2A4.A$6.2A.2A3.2D$7.A6.2D$5.A.A$5.2A3$2.3A12.D$.3A13.2D$18.2D$17.2D
$2.A$2.3A$5.A$2.2A.A$.A2.A$2.2A$4.3A$4.A2.A$5.A.A$6.A11$30.3A$30.A$31.
A9.A$40.2A$40.A.A!

This allowed me to synthesize B-heptomino with 3 gliders instead of having to collide 1 glider into Eater 1 which was synthesized with 4 gliders. As a result, the synthesis cost of Orion was lowered to 55 gliders.