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[thunk]

Oh hi everyone.

Congrats to Tom Rokicki for finally finding the phoenix.

Also thanks, Calcyman, for setting up apgsearch. I have been interested in Life for a long time, but just like Apple Bottom, I have no clue where to begin when it comes to actually finding stuff. Thankfully, I have two computers which can do that for me--and I never expected to find two interesting things after only a week.

[apg]

Thankfully, I have two computers which can do that for me--and I never expected to find two interesting things after only a week.

Yes, many congratulations for finding the new natural 42-bit still-life!

By the way, another copy of Achim's p8 has appeared, this time from a long-range glider impact with some junk:

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x = 30, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4b2o3bobo$4b2o2bob2o$3b3obo2bo$o3bo3bo$o3bo6b2o$4bo6bo$b2obo$3bo
5$28bo$27b2o$27bobo!

Does this look amenable to synthesis at all?

[Xenonquark]

Cool thread!

[Billabob]

16 trillion objects! (2^2^2 x 10^13)

Also, that snake-python-mold hybrid has occurred again:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbbbbobbbbbboobo$
oooboobooboobooo$
oboooobbbobobobo$
bbbobbooooooobbo$
ooobobbobbbobbbb$
bbbobobbooboobbo$
oobbooobbbooobbo$
oooobbboboooboob$
oobooobbbbooooob$
boooobooobbbobbo$
obooboobboobboob$
boboobbbboobbobo$
bboobooboobbbbob$
bboobboboboobbbo$
bbbbbobboobboooo$
ooobboobbbooooob!

EDIT: Base reaction:

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x = 11, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b3o$o2bo$o2bo$3o$7b2o$6bobo$6b2o3$8b2o$7bo2bo$8b2o3$3b2o$3b2o!

[Billabob]

Pentadecathlon on Integral:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oobooobboobooooo$
bbboboooobbooooo$
oooooobobobbbboo$
bbboboobbooooobb$
booobbbobooboooo$
obbobboobbbbbooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbobo$
boobobbobbbooboo$
bbobbbbobobboooo$
booooooooooooobb$
bboobbbobooobboo$
obobbboooobbbooo$
bbobooooobboobbo$
oooboooboooooobo$
bobooobboboobboo$
booooobbobbbbobb!

Base reaction:

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x = 34, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
14.B$13.5B$13.6B$12.7B$12.9B$13.10B.B2.B$13.19B$14.8B.10B$12.21B$6.3B
.24B$4.29B$4.20BA9B$4.3B2A14BABA8B$5.2B2A14BABA6B$5.19BA6B$5.27B$5.
16B2A10B$3.18B2A10B$.32B$33B$.31B$2.23B.5B$2.21B2.4B$.24B2.3B$.3B2A
20B.2B$.2BA2BA4B2A11B2.3B$3.B2A5BABA8B3.2B$3.10BA8B$4.7BABA7B$4.7B2A
8B$7.6B.3B$8.2B!

[gmc_nxtman]

Messy, could-be-improved phoenix seed based on Tom Rokicki's phoenix soup:

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x = 59, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o11$15bo$10b2ob2o$10b2o2b2o13$45bo$45bo11b2o$45bo11b2o3$11bo$11bo$
11bo!

[mniemiec]

Pentadecathlon on Integral: ... Base reaction: ...

Since this can be synthesized the hard way from 7 gliders (3 for the pentadecathlon, 4 for the integral), and no more from complexity or awkward positioining, and no less from fortuitous natural reactions either, it's not likely you will do much better from a soup, considering how much work it would take to place all the original objects, and clean up all the leftover junk. (The same also applies to the recent natural Phoenix. As remarkable as this is, it won't do better than the current 10-glider synthesis.)

[praosylen]

The same also applies to the recent natural Phoenix. As remarkable as this is, it won't do better than the current 10-glider synthesis.

I disagree. The thing about the natural phoenix seed is that it is a near-edge-shooter, and I don't think that there is any other known way to place a phoenix so close to the rest of the reaction envelope.

[chris_c]

I decided to try to better the existing syntheses for small oscillators found on this page. Hopefully most of this stuff constitutes new records.

Jam in 6 gliders. Only later did I realise it was from the same soup as here but I make the hives in only 3 gliders:

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x = 104, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
61bo$62b2o$61b2o$obo$b2o2b3o54bo$bo5bo25b2o27b2o9b2o$6bo25bo2bo19b2o4b
obo8bo2bo$3o30b2o21b2o15b2o26b2o$2bo52bo44bo2bo$bo99bobo$30b2o38b2o25b
4obo$29bo2bo36bo2bo24b2ob2o$30b2o38b2o28bo!

Fox in 9 gliders. Finally finishing the suggested synthesis from here:

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x = 100, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
84bo$82b2o$83b2o3$59bo$57bobo$58b2o8bo$67bo$67b3o4$67bo$67bobo$67b2o2$
74bobo$74b2o19b3o$75bo17bo$93bo3bo$93bobo$95bo2b2o$97bo5$2bo27b2o38b2o
$2o27bo2bo22b3o11bo2bo$b2o26bo2bo24bo11bo2bo$30b2o24bo13b2o3$b3o$bo$2b
o2$76b3o$76bo$77bo!

Whynot in 9 gliders from this soup and, now that I check, previously noted here:

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x = 139, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
79bo$80bo$78b3o2$97bobo$98b2o$98bo$96bo$9bo86b2o37bo$7bobo37b2o46bobo
9b2o25bobo$8b2o37b2o58b2o26bo$132b2obob2o$9bo81b3o41bo$8b2o83bo39bobob
o$8bobo81bo42bo2$45bo35b3o21bo$44bobo36bo20bobo$o43bobo35bo21bobo$b2o
42bo59bo$2o9$135b3o$135bo$136bo!

Unnamed 12-bit P2 in 9 gliders from this soup:

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x = 215, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
170bobo$170b2o$171bo3$167bo$165b2o$162bo3b2o$163b2o$162b2o3$210bo$bo4b
o85bo115bobobo$2bob2o87b2ob2o36bo39bo33bo5bo$3o2b2o34b2o38b2o9b2o2bobo
22b2o10bobo25b2o10bobo32bo5bo$41b2o38b2o13bo24b2o11b2o25b2o11b2o34bobo
bo$212bo2$50b3o37b3o37b3o37b3o2$15b2o$15bobo$15bo8$141bo$141b2o$140bob
o!

Byflops in 11 gliders from this soup:

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x = 307, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
146bo$144bobo$145b2o20$265bo$263bobo$77bobo184b2o$78b2o$78bo151bo39bo$
82bo53b3o37b3o50bobo37bobo$83b2o145bo39bo$82b2o2bobo39bo39bo$86b2o39bo
bo37bobo$87bo39bobo37bobo54bo7b2o30bo7b2o30bo$128bo39bo53bobo7b2o28bob
o7b2o28bobo$226bo39bo39bo$221b5o35b5o35b5o$2bo177bo45bo39bo39bo$bo178b
obo39bobo37bobo11bobo23bobo$b3o176b2o42bo39bo11b2o26bo$42b2o38b2o48b2o
38b2o4bo98bo$bo39bobo37bobo47bobo37bobo3b2o$b2o39bo39bo49bo39bo4bobo$o
bo230bo39bo$226bo6bo32bo6bo$183b3o40bo6bo32bo6bo$183bo42bo39bo$184bo
44b3o3b3o31b3o3b3o2$233bo39bo$233bo39bo$233bo39bo!

Unnamed 14-bit P2 in 12 gliders from this soup (currently the only appearance on Catagolue):

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x = 305, y = 84, rule = B3/S23
209bobo$209b2o$210bo11$bo$2bo219b2o38b2o38b2o$3o220bo39bo39bo$40b2o38b
2o48b2o38b2o48bobo37bobo37bobo$2bo37bobo37bobo47bobo37bobo$b2o38bo39bo
49bo10b2o27bo10b2o35b2obobo34b2obobo34b2obobo$bobo95bo42b2o38b2o39b2o
38b2o38b2o$97b2o119b3o37b3o37b3o$98b2o$91bobo$91b2o$92bo137bo39bo$94b
2o49b2o38b2o43bo39bo$94bobo48b2o38b2o43bo39bo$94bo183bo$173bo103bo$
174bo102b3o$172b3o60bo39bo$235bo39bo$235bo39bo$171b3o$173bo$172bo$176b
o$176b2o$175bobo35$115b2o$114bobo$116bo6$136bo$136b2o$135bobo!

For reference here are links to syntheses of other small oscillators that I am aware of on this forum. EDIT: Oh, here's another.

[Extrementhusiast]

Unnamed 14-bit P2 in 12 gliders from this soup (currently the only appearance on Catagolue):

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RLE

This saves at least one glider and a whole bunch of time by starting later in the evolutionary sequence:

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x = 56, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
53b2o$54bo$11b2o7bobo28bobo$11bobo6b2o$12bo8bo28b2obobo$54b2o$49b3o2$
22b2o$15b2o4b2o$14bobo6bo$15bo2$bo$b2o$obo16bo$18b2o$14b2o2bobo$15b2o$
14bo$10b2o$11b2o$10bo3$39bo$38b2o$38bobo!

EDIT: Huh, a toad with an attachment:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2bobo3bo2b5o$b3ob2obob2o2bo$b4o3bo5bo$3b2o2b2obob3o$3ob4obo2b4o$2o2b2o
bobo2bob2o$2o2b3o2b2obob2o$b4o7bobo$obo3bo3bo3b2o$2b3ob2o3b3o$2o2b3o2b
ob5o$o2bo5b2obo$2b5o2b3obobo$2b6ob3o2b2o$o3bo4b4o$ob4ob3obob2o!

[chris_c]

This saves at least one glider and a whole bunch of time by starting later in the evolutionary sequence.

Nicely done. Here is a 16-bit P2 that was mentioned quite a while ago in 9 gliders:

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x = 31, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
3bo$bobo17bo$2b2o15b2o$20b2o7bo$28bo$28b3o3$26bo$24b2o$25b2o8$24b3o$9b
2o13bo$8bobo14bo$10bo$b2o$obo$2bo$5b2o$6b2o$5bo8$29b2o$28b2o$30bo!

[BlinkerSpawn]

Huh, a toad with an attachment:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2bobo3bo2b5o$b3ob2obob2o2bo$b4o3bo5bo$3b2o2b2obob3o$3ob4obo2b4o$2o2b2o
bobo2bob2o$2o2b3o2b2obob2o$b4o7bobo$obo3bo3bo3b2o$2b3ob2o3b3o$2o2b3o2b
ob5o$o2bo5b2obo$2b5o2b3obobo$2b6ob3o2b2o$o3bo4b4o$ob4ob3obob2o!

10 gliders:

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x = 21, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
17bo$16bo$16b3o10$6bo$6bobo$6b2o2$5bo$3bobo11bo$4b2o9b2o$16b2o2$11bo$
12b2o$11b2o4$7bobo9bo$8b2o8bo$8bo9b3o2$4bo$4b2o$3bobo$15b3o$15bo$16bo
8$b2o$obo$2bo!

[gameoflifeboy]

Pure twin-bees shuttle in asymmetry:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bobbooboobbbboob$
bbbbobbboobobboo$
bbbbobobooobboob$
obobbbobboobobbb$
ooboobbobobobbob$
oboobobooobooooo$
bbbbbbbbboobbbbb$
oboobbobboooboob$
bbbboooobobbbbob$
bobobboboboboooo$
bbbbbboobobobboo$
boboobobbboboobo$
obbooobbooobbboo$
oobbooboboobbboo$
booboboobbooobbb$
boooooboboooobbo!

[gmc_nxtman]

Some predictions:

•The next new p15 oscillator will be Karel's p15.

•The next new linear-growth pattern will be either Puffer 2, or an ark.

•The next new spaceship will involve a non-standard component.

•The next oscillator with period > 30 will be a quadruple-block twin bees shuttle. ( I can't wait to see potential twin bees variants in the future)

•The next after that will be a single-block, single-bookends/cis-tables stabilization of a twin bess shuttle.

•Variants of the boring p24 will occur soon.

•The next p5 oscillator will be a fumarole variant.

[BlinkerSpawn]

Pure twin-bees shuttle in asymmetry:

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RLE

Base reaction:

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x = 31, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4bo24b2o$4bo13bo10b2o$4bo8b2o2bobo$12bo2bo2bo$3o9bo2bo$12bo2bo2bo$4bo
8b2o2bobo$4bo13bo$4bo!

[praosylen]

Some predictions:

•The next new p15 oscillator will be Karel's p15.

•The next new linear-growth pattern will be either Puffer 2, or an ark.

•The next new spaceship will involve a non-standard component.

•The next oscillator with period > 30 will be a quadruple-block twin bees shuttle. ( I can't wait to see potential twin bees variants in the future)

•The next after that will be a single-block, single-bookends/cis-tables stabilization of a twin bees shuttle.

•Variants of the boring p24 will occur soon.

•The next p5 oscillator will be a fumarole variant.

1. Either pentadecathlon on beehive on dock, or cis-pentadecathlon on block on dock.
2. One of those, or maybe a paired switch-engine-like puffer that hasn't been found yet, which has no single-engine stabilization. (As an aside, I believe that Catagolue demonstrates that there are no single-switch-engine stabilizations not known yet that aren't universal-constructor-based.)
3. I doubt it. Probably a MWSS-on-HWSS.
4. I agree, unless there's something that somebody should have found with gsearch, but didn't, for some reason.
5. Likely, but maybe a figure-eight-on-pentadecathlon, too.
6. Only one variant likely.
7. More likely another Elkies' p5 variant, I'd say. Of the fumarole variants, probably the two-tob one seems likely to show up.
I also think that the next natural non-flotilla spaceship will either be symmetrical or the loafer.

I did some research on oscillator and spaceship frequency, using pentadecathlon.com and catagolue. While pentadecathlon.com is down at the moment, I remember calculating that of the dozen or so minimum-stator "natural-looking" oscillators and spaceships p3 and up and around 20 cells (basically, anything similar-looking to the loafer), slightly over half have been found naturally. I do remember that there's a p6 that looks likely to show up soon, and maybe a p3, too.

[gmc_nxtman]

I don't see why the loafer is supposed to be extremely likely, because any loafer that occurs (which may have already happened) has an incredibly low chance of escaping harmlessly from the soup.

[thunk]

18 trillion objects!

I think the pentoad is going to appear soon. 2 eaters+6 more cells and C2 symmetry.

[codeholic]

I don't see why the loafer is supposed to be extremely likely, because any loafer that occurs (which may have already happened) has an incredibly low chance of escaping harmlessly from the soup.

Its speed didn't prevent HighLife c/98 spaceship from appearing in a soup (not to mention still lifes and oscillators do not move at all )

CGoL is not an exploding rule, and it's more a matter of having a common predecessor than being fast enough to escape.

[apg]

Some predictions:

•The next new p15 oscillator will be Karel's p15.

•The next new linear-growth pattern will be either Puffer 2, or an ark.

•The next new spaceship will involve a non-standard component.

•The next oscillator with period > 30 will be a quadruple-block twin bees shuttle. ( I can't wait to see potential twin bees variants in the future)

•The next after that will be a single-block, single-bookends/cis-tables stabilization of a twin bess shuttle.

•Variants of the boring p24 will occur soon.

•The next p5 oscillator will be a fumarole variant.

1. I'd expect another stator variant of pentadecathlon-on-eater.
2. I think it's more likely to have another yl1152, where the two components have a distinct phase difference from the original.
3. No, I expect most of the other *WSS-on-*WSS variants to appear before any other spaceships.
4. Possibly. We've had 69 single-block stabilisers and 1 double-block stabiliser so far, which means this is about 140 times rarer than the 3-block shuttle (although there is a huge amount of variance in '140' -- it could easily be a factor of two or three in either direction). Maybe figure-8-on-PD would appear before that.
5. 'Hat' is roughly twice as common as 'Table-on-table', which due to symmetry means these two variants should occur roughly equally often. I suspect they may both be more common than your quad-block twin-bees shuttle.
6. Definitely. I'm expecting the other isomer of the boring p24 very soon indeed (probably before 40T), but I'm unsure what other variants you're describing...?
7. Agreed. Silver's p5 and variants of Elkies' p5 also look promising to me.

Pure twin-bees shuttle in asymmetry:

Wow. I did not expect that to show up so soon.

[mniemiec]

I don't see why the loafer is supposed to be extremely likely, because any loafer that occurs (which may have already happened) has an incredibly low chance of escaping harmlessly from the soup.

Its speed didn't prevent HighLife c/98 spaceship from appearing in a soup (not to mention still lifes and oscillators do not move at all )

CGoL is not an exploding rule, and it's more a matter of having a common predecessor than being fast enough to escape.

Still-lifes and oscillators have the advantage that, if they form in relatively cool areas, they're likely to survive, even if they are in the center of the ash. This is not true for spaceships, that must navigate their way through (on average) half of the ash before hopefully emerging unscathed out the other side. They're likely to survive only if they form on an outer edge, head in a direction away from the soup, and can outrun other spaceships and pseudopods emitted by the soup.

[gmc_nxtman]

The way that the cloverleaf + 3 was produced, can be done on any noseless end like so:

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x = 29, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$3bobo$b3ob3o$o3bo3bo$obo3bobo$b2obob2o2$b2obob2o$obo3bobo11b
2o5b2o$o3bo3bo11bo7bo$b3ob3o13b3ob3o$3bobo17bobo3$6bo19bo$6bobo17bobo$
6b2o18b2o$2b3o17b3o!

Similar nose-based component:

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2o5b2o$bo7bo$2b3ob3o$4bobo$4bobo$5bo2$b2o$obo$2bo!

Unfortunately, the glider can't come from infinity.

EDIT: Improved so that the glider can come from infinity:

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x = 9, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2o5b2o$o7bo$b3ob3o$3bobo3$4b2o$3bobo$4bo2$3b2o$2bobo$4bo!

[biggiemac]

Two new asymmetric 36-bitters have show up in the last week, bringing the total to 4. A 37-bitter would be the first of its kind. Will the first be asymmetric or D2_1 with a point, and when will we see it?

I imagine it will be the long Aries like the most common x33, except with bookends instead of blocks. But that might be a while. I'm certainly open to the idea of a random large asymmetric reaction freezing into a 37-bitter sooner!

[gmc_nxtman]

There's two occurences of the tri-block p46 shuttle, and three of the "boring p24".

5-SL seed for MWSS on HWSS + junk:

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x = 16, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
10bo$9bobo$9bobo$10bo2$obo$b2o$bo12b2o$14b2o$b2o$b2o$5bo$4bobo$3bo2bo$
4b2o$12bo$11bobo$11b2o!

4-SL seed for HWSS on LWSS + junk:

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x = 13, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
b2o$b2o5$6bo$5bobo$4bo2bo$5b2o4$12bo$7b2ob2o$bo5b2o2b2o$obo$b2o!

I know that these two aren't useful, I just find them interesting.

EDIT: Any pi seeds that would work for a 4-5 SL bent keys seed here?

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x = 33, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
24.D$23.BDB$23.BDB$21.7B$20.3D3B3D$20.8B$19.5BD3B$12.B6.5BD3B$11.3B3.
D6BD3B$10.B3E3BD12B$10.7BD11B2DB$10.9B3E6BD2BDB$8.11B3D7B2DB$4.B2.23B
$3.25B$2.26B$.8BD2B3E12B$8BDBDBE.E7B3D2B$9BD2BEBE9B.B$.B.5BD13B$3.3B
3D14B$4.18B$4.13B2E4B$6.3D7BEBE4B$7.BD8BE6B$7.2BD15B$8.DBD2.11B$9.DB
8.3B!

Here are some conduit catalysts in catagolue:

Eater tie eater
Gourmet catalyst variant
Bookend on pedestal
Long^2 hat on trans-ship
Hat siamese eater
Bookend on table-siamese-eater

[Apple Bottom]

20 trillion objects:

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We should be able to hit twice that before the end of the year. And whither then? I cannot say.