Thread for your unsure discoveries

[praosylen]

Small G to block + boat:

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x = 11, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o3$7bo$2bo2b2o$bobo2b2o$2b2o7$7b2o$b2o4bo$bo6b3o$2b3o5bo$
4bo!

The extraneous boat can be deleted:

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x = 16, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o3$7bo$2bo2b2o$bobo2b2o$2b2o10b2o$14b2o6$7b2o$b2o4bo$bo6b
3o$2b3o5bo$4bo!

[Scorbie]

Umm... That's Paul Callahan's spartan G->Block factory. I refound the same thing a while ago
If you are doing G -> X searches with HF collisions, you're probably going to see this too, by chris_c:

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x = 13, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$6b2o$2o$obo$bo$5b2o4b2o$4bo2bo3b2o$5bobo$6bo6$8b3o$8bo$9bo!

[gmc_nxtman]

A few weird components:

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x = 65, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
17bo$18b2obobo$17b2o2b2o29bo$5bo16bo29bobo$6bo34bo10b2o5bo$4b3o15b2o
12b2o2bo17bo$3o10bob2o4bo2bob2o8bo3b3o15b3o$2bo8b3ob2o5b3ob2o5b2obo25b
3o$bo8bo22bo2bob2o10bo11bo$10bob2ob2o5b3ob2o7b2ob2o10b3o10bo$11bobob2o
4bo2bob2o12b2o11bo$8bo13b2o16b2o8b3o$7bobo40bo$8bobo11bo$9bo7b2o2b2o$
18b2obobo$5b3o9bo$7bo$6bo!

And this strange and useless way to turn a house:

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x = 17, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o4bo$8b2o2bo$7b2o2bo$11b3o2$5b2o$4bobo5b2ob2o$6bo5bo3bo$13b
3o2$13b3o$13bo2bo$15b2o!

[drc]

Probably useless small one-glider component:

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x = 10, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
!

I think there is an error somewhere in your post

[BlinkerSpawn]

Can anything be done to the pi to restore the block while producing an output, or is that too much to ask?

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x = 17, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
16.A$14.3A$13.A$12.B2A$11.4B$4.3B3.4B$2.12B$4B2D8B$3BDBD8B$3BDBD8B$3B
2D8B$2.11B$2.3B2.5B$2.B2CB.BDBDB$3.2C3.DBD$8.3D!

[Extrementhusiast]

Interesting P7 reaction:

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x = 34, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
8b2o14b2o$7bo2bo12bo2bo$4bo3bobo12bobo3bo$2b6obo14bob6o$bo5bo18bo5bo$b
obob2o2bo14bo2b2obobo$2bobobob2o14b2obobobo$4bo24bo$3b2obob2o14b2obob
2o$2bo2b2obo16bob2o2bo$o2b2o2bo2bo12bo2bo2b2o2bo$2obo3bob2o12b2obo3bob
2o$bobob2obo16bob2obobo$bobo4bo16bo4bobo$2bo3bob2o14b2obo3bo$3b4o2bo
14bo2b4o$7b2o16b2o$3b4o2bo6b2o6bo2b4o$3bo2bob2o5bo2bo5b2obo2bo$8bo3b2o
bo2bob2o3bo$8bo3b2obo2bob2o3bo$3bo2bob2o5bo2bo5b2obo2bo$3b4o2bo6b2o6bo
2b4o$7b2o16b2o$3b4o2bo14bo2b4o$2bo3bob2o14b2obo3bo$bobo4bo16bo4bobo$bo
bob2obo16bob2obobo$2obo3bob2o12b2obo3bob2o$o2b2o2bo2bo12bo2bo2b2o2bo$
2bo2b2obo16bob2o2bo$3b2obob2o14b2obob2o$4bo24bo$2bobobob2o14b2obobobo$
bobob2o2bo14bo2b2obobo$bo5bo18bo5bo$2b6obo14bob6o$4bo3bobo12bobo3bo$7b
o2bo12bo2bo$8b2o14b2o!

[Scorbie]

Component:

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x = 23, y = 13, rule = TLifeHistory
15.A$16.A$14.3A$21.A$20.A$7.2A11.3A$8.2A$7.2A$.2A4.A$A.A13.A.2A$2.A
11.3A.A$13.A4.A$13.2A3.2A!

LifeViewer accidentally renders it as LifeHistory which makes it a pretty interesting almost-component too.

[BlinkerSpawn]

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rle

LifeViewer accidentally renders it as LifeHistory which makes it a pretty interesting almost-component too.

Is there a way to insert a century with similar clearance in regular Life? [RESOLVED]

[rowett]

Component:

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x = 23, y = 13, rule = TLifeHistory
15.A$16.A$14.3A$21.A$20.A$7.2A11.3A$8.2A$7.2A$.2A4.A$A.A13.A.2A$2.A
11.3A.A$13.A4.A$13.2A3.2A!

LifeViewer accidentally renders it as LifeHistory which makes it a pretty interesting almost-component too.

This has been fixed and will be in the next released LifeViewer build.

[BlinkerSpawn]

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rle

Regular Life version:

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x = 21, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
13bo$o13bo$b2o9b3o$2o17bo$18bo$5b2o11b3o$6b2o$5b2o$5bo$14bob2o$12b3obo
$11bo4bo$11b2o3b2o!

[gmc_nxtman]

Almost p14: oscillator:

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x = 8, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
bo4bo$o6bo$ob4obo$o6bo$bo4bo!

Unfortunately, there is likely no way to turn this into an actual oscillator.

[mniemiec]

Almost p14: oscillator: ... Unfortunately, there is likely no way to turn this into an actual oscillator.

I would put things like this in the category of "useless discoveries" (e.g. "things that are interesting, but there is no hope of salvaging them"), because the bits that need to be fixed are on the interior, and very likely unreachable by any external mechanism.

On the other hand, mechanisms that rely on incorrectly-reforming exterior cells have a much better chance of being hassled into working.

[Saka]

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rle

Regular Life version:

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x = 21, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
13bo$o13bo$b2o9b3o$2o17bo$18bo$5b2o11b3o$6b2o$5b2o$5bo$14bob2o$12b3obo
$11bo4bo$11b2o3b2o!

If you could make a synthesis, I would be happy to add it to this thread. (My "Syntheses of unusual still lifes" thread) I'm too lazy to make the synthesis now.

[mniemiec]

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rle

Regular Life version:

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x = 21, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
13bo$o13bo$b2o9b3o$2o17bo$18bo$5b2o11b3o$6b2o$5b2o$5bo$14bob2o$12b3obo
$11bo4bo$11b2o3b2o!

If you could make a synthesis, I would be happy to add it to this thread. (My "Syntheses of unusual still lifes" thread) I'm too lazy to make the synthesis now.

The NE glider is too close to the B-heptomino to safely approach if any of the 2-glider B-heptomino generaters are used. Fortunately, one of them does work (and slightly faster) if you move the NE glider one square NW. (I did not have this method of making a bookend in my collection, and it allows one to add a bookend less obtrusively, such as in this case, so it's actually useful. Thanks for the idea!).

Unfortunately, this causes two of the glider streams to cross, and a kickback reaction doesn't fit. To make the B-heptomino, no gliders can come from the NE because of the stream-crossing, nor SE, because they would pass through the base still-life. Fortunately, I know of one 3-glider B-heptomino maker where all the gliders come from the NW and SW, but this single-glider catalysis gets too close. I did manage to find a different 2-glider catalysis:

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x = 160, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
53bo$54bo8bobo$52b3o9boo$64bo$8bo62bobo$9bo44bo4bo11boo19boo$7b3o45bob
oo13bo19bobo$53b3obboo34bo$93booboo$96bobbo$bbobo10bo20boboo26boboo26b
oboo$3boo8boo19b3obo25b3obo25b3obo$3bo10boo17bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo$10boo
21boo3boo23boo3boo23boo3boo$3o6boo$bbo8bo$bo11$111bo$51bobo58bo$52boo
8bo47b3o$52bo10boo19b3o27b3o$62boo$74bo$56bo15boo$54bobo16boo$51boobb
oo35boo28boo28boo$52boo38bobo27bobo27bobo$51bo5boo35bo29bo29bo$58boo
33booboo25booboo25booboo$57bo38bobbo26bobbo26bobbo$66boboo26boboo26bob
oo26boboo$64b3obo25b3obo25b3obo25b3obo$63bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo$
63boo3boo23boo3boo23boo3boo23boo3boo!

[Saka]

Oh.

[BlinkerSpawn]

Can anybody find a catalysis (in place of the yellow ones) that restores the sacrificial block in each of these near-conduits?

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x = 90, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
11.2A.A$11.A.2A$76.2A$12.5A58.A.3A$11.A4.A58.A4.A$10.A.BAB57.2A.A.2A.
A$7.A2.A.2AB50.B6.2A.A.A.A$6.A.A.A.4BA4.B43.2B6.3BAB$7.A2.A3.BABA2.3B
4.2B36.3B7.4B$10.2A2.A2BA.5B3.3BF34.4B2.2B.5B$15.2A7B2.4B36.12B$17.7B
.4B38.12B$17.11B40.11B$14.13B42.2BC7B$13.9B3C2B41.3BCBC6B$13.11BC2B
42.2B3C4BD2B$11.12B3CB41.3B.BC2B3D4B$10.17B40.10BD5B$8.19B39.4B.12B$
8.19B38.4B4.9B6.2E$5.21B39.3B7.8B5.E$4.8BD2B2C6BD41.2B9.B2C5B.BE.E$.B
.9B2DB2C7BD40.B9.2B2C5B.B2E$2A9B2D11B2D49.11B$2AB.19B2D50.11B$.B3.18B
D52.3B2E5B$5.18B52.3BE2BE4B$5.13B2.B53.4BE2BE5B$5.10B59.5B2E6B$3.2EB.
8B60.11B$2.E.EB2.5B64.B.2B$2.E6.5B$.2E4.5B.B2E$7.2E4.BE.E$8.E7.E$5.3E
8.2E$5.E!

[drc]

This rule:

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@RULE lotsofdots
@TABLE
n_states:2
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:rotate4reflect
0,1,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1
0,1,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,1
0,0,1,0,0,0,1,0,0,1
0,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,1
0,1,1,0,1,0,0,0,0,1
0,1,1,0,0,1,0,0,0,1
0,1,1,0,0,0,1,0,0,1
0,1,1,0,0,0,0,1,0,1
0,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
0,1,0,1,0,1,0,0,0,1
0,1,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1
0,1,0,0,1,0,1,0,0,1
0,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,0,1
0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1
1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
1,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0
1,1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0
1,1,1,1,0,1,0,0,0,0
1,1,1,1,0,0,1,0,0,0
1,1,1,0,1,1,0,0,0,0
1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,0,0
1,1,1,0,1,0,0,1,0,0
1,1,1,0,1,0,0,0,1,0
1,1,1,0,0,1,1,0,0,0
1,1,1,0,0,1,0,1,0,0
1,1,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0
1,1,1,0,0,0,1,1,0,0
1,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,0
1,0,0,1,0,1,1,1,1,0
1,0,0,1,1,0,1,1,1,0
1,0,0,1,1,1,0,1,1,0
1,0,0,1,1,1,1,0,1,0
1,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,0,0
1,0,1,0,1,0,1,1,1,0
1,0,1,0,1,1,0,1,1,0
1,0,1,1,0,1,0,1,1,0
1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,1,0
1,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,0
1,0,1,0,1,1,1,1,1,0
1,0,1,1,0,1,1,1,1,0
1,0,1,1,1,0,1,1,1,0
1,1,0,1,0,1,1,1,1,0
1,1,0,1,1,1,0,1,1,0
1,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,0
1,1,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,0
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,0

@COLORS

0 0 0 0
1 255 255 255

Has a very sparky period 324, 162c/11 orthogonal (yes you read that right) natural (but rare) dot puffer, specified by 6 cells:

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = lotsofdots
3bo2$o$b3o$bo!

Another 6 cell growth, this time p46 3c/23 diagonal:

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x = 4, y = 4, rule = lotsofdots
3bo$o$o$b3o!

[codeholic]

This is definitely an off-topic in this forum. You should have posted into http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=11

[drc]

This is definitely an off-topic in this forum. You should have posted into http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=11

I think we need an unsure discoveries thread for OCA

[mniemiec]

I think we need an unsure discoveries thread for OCA

Because Life has been studied so extensively, and has literally hundreds of threads here, it makes sense to have special threads for Unsure Disoveries, Useless Discoveries, etc. in Life. Other CAs tend to have sufficiently small amounts of research in them, that a single thread is usually sufficient for all discoveries in any one particular CA (or group of closely-related CAs). Unsure and useless discoveries in those CAs should probably fit within those threads themselves.

[Sphenocorona]

Has a very sparky period 324, 162c/11 orthogonal (yes you read that right) natural (but rare) dot puffer, specified by 6 cells:

Pretty sure you meant to say 11c/162 - it simply cannot move 162 cells in only 11 generations. But yes, this should be posted in OCA.

[hought99]

p 6 oscillator is it new

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x = 20, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
3$9bo$8bobo$7bobobo$7bobobo$5b2o2bob3o$4bo5bo3bo$3bob3o3b3obo$4bo3bo5b
o$5b3obo2b2o$7bobobo$7bobobo$8bobo$9bo!

[Scorbie]

@hought99 Unfortunately it's in jslife.

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x = 31, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
24bo$5b2o16bobo$2bo2bobo14bobobo$bobobobo14bobobo$2bo2bob3o10b2o2bob3o
$10bo8bo9bo$4o3b4o7bob3o3b3obo$o18bo9bo$b3obo2bo11b3obo2b2o$3bobobobo
12bobobo$3bobo2bo13bobobo$4b2o17bobo$24bo!

[Scorbie]

Planning on restarting pi searches. Interesting find: this position of the boat leads to a pi + an annoying block. Adding a boat yields a clean pi, so we could add that position of the boat as a bait candidate too.

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x = 29, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
27b2o$26bobo$27bo$bo21bo$obo19bobo$b2o20b2o2$2bo21bo$b2o20b2o$bobo19bo
bo!

[Kazyan]

Planning on restarting pi searches. Interesting find: this position of the boat leads to a pi + an annoying block. Adding a boat yields a clean pi, so we could add that position of the boat as a bait candidate too.

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x = 29, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
27b2o$26bobo$27bo$bo21bo$obo19bobo$b2o20b2o2$2bo21bo$b2o20b2o$bobo19bo
bo!

Good luck. If you happen to find any catalyst arrangements that produce a block, but in the wrong place, do you mind collecting them? No need to sort or anything; just dump them in a "these are now Kazyan's problem" file. I'm making a signal-to-block compilation, which is just being casually added to as I find new block displacements.