Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Synthesize the still life random.rle.
Wyirm wrote: October 30th, 2021, 8:32 pm Random .Rle may be tricky due to the fact that, while being a pseudo-still life, is also bery unstable. it would have to be incrementally synthesized in layers so that it doesn't collapse, or synthesized all at once. It may be able to be synthesized but it's like tring to synthesize sir robin.

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x = 98, y = 98, rule = B3/S23
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

Post by GUYTU6J »

Bullet51 wrote: December 10th, 2023, 10:35 am Synthesize the still life random.rle.
In my opinion that is quite a large leap. A more manageable step would be synthesizing the maximum density 10x10 still lives as I proposed in this post.

What is the largest bounding box height (no larger than width) inside which every possible (strict or pseudo, dense or not) still life has a glider synthesis, again?

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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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If I understand correctly, an upper bound is 25 (due to the 26x32 unconstructible still life, Unique father problem). A simple lower bound is 2 (blocks and snakes, xs18_bdzbdzbd, xs18_drzrmz65). It should be possible to improve the lower bound by a few cells with some more thinking.
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Bullet51 wrote: December 10th, 2023, 10:35 am Synthesize the still life random.rle.
Wyirm wrote: October 30th, 2021, 8:32 pm Random .Rle may be tricky due to the fact that, while being a pseudo-still life, is also bery unstable. it would have to be incrementally synthesized in layers so that it doesn't collapse, or synthesized all at once. It may be able to be synthesized but it's like tring to synthesize sir robin.

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x = 98, y = 98, rule = B3/S23
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$2b4obo2bob2obo2bo3bobo3bobo2b3obo2b2obobo3b2o6b2ob2obo4bobo3b4obobob
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2ob2o3b2obob2obo6b2ob2o2b2o3b2ob2o!
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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HerscheltheHerschel wrote: December 14th, 2023, 2:55 am 15 gliders, because RCT.
You need to prove that random.rle is synthesizable in the first place. As we know, there are unsynthesiable still lifes.
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Here is an explicit proof that a 1-cell-thick diehard can last arbitrarily long:

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x = 146, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
11o2b6o2b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob
3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o3b3o!
To increase the lifespan, add 3 blinkers to the beginning of the blinker fuse shown above (moving the igniting reaction accordingly).
That was pretty easy though, and might even be known.
Our next task is to prove that a diehard has the above property as well as the property that its envelope can have an arbitrarily large bounding box. This pattern proves it explicitly:

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x = 309, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
11o2b6o2b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o3b3o5b3o10b7o
85b7o10b3o5b3o3b3ob3o5b3o3b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o2b6o2b11o!
To increase lifespan, add 3 blinkers each to each fuse on the left and right sides of the pattern (add it at the leftmost part of the fuse for the left side, and the rightmost part of the fuse for the right side, moving igniting reactions accordingly). To increase the bounding box of the envelope, just move the entire right side of the pattern two cells right.
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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qqd wrote: December 14th, 2023, 8:27 am Here is an explicit proof that a 1-cell-thick diehard can last arbitrarily long:

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x = 146, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
11o2b6o2b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob
3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o3b3o!
To increase the lifespan, add 3 blinkers to the beginning of the blinker fuse shown above (moving the igniting reaction accordingly).
That was pretty easy though, and might even be known.
Our next task is to prove that a diehard has the above property as well as the property that its envelope can have an arbitrarily large bounding box. This pattern proves it explicitly:

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x = 309, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
11o2b6o2b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o3b3o5b3o10b7o
85b7o10b3o5b3o3b3ob3o5b3o3b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o2b6o2b11o!
To increase lifespan, add 3 blinkers each to each fuse on the left and right sides of the pattern (add it at the leftmost part of the fuse for the left side, and the rightmost part of the fuse for the right side, moving igniting reactions accordingly). To increase the bounding box of the envelope, just move the entire right side of the pattern two cells right.
Here's proof that a 3-cell-thick diehard can last arbitrarily long:

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x = 130, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
2o$b2o2b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o
b3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o3b3o$2o!
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Is it feasible to run searches to eliminate possibility of a compact mod-7 period-14 gun? Did someone already do that?
The gun engine either would be turned 180 degrees after 7 ticks, or would be mirror-reflected after 7 ticks. There are multiple different possibilities for the relative positions of the output streams. The reduction in complexity due to symmetry might be sufficient to get interesting negative results (or find a compact true period 14 gun, if one exists).

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x = 57, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
39.2A$38.2A$3C2D12B23.C4D12B$C4D12B23.3DCD12B$DC3D12B23.2D2CD6BF5B$5D
12B23.2DCDC12B$17B23.11BF5B$17B23.11BF5B$4B3F10B23.10BF6B$3BF3BF9B23.
9BF3BF3B$3BF3BF9B23.9BF3BF3B$6BF10B23.10B3F4B$5BF11B23.17B$5BF11B23.
17B$12BCDC2D23.12B5D$5BF6BD2C2D23.12B3DCD$12BDC3D23.12B4DC$12B5D23.
12B2D3C6$3D7.3D27.3D7.3D$.D3.3D2.D.D28.D3.3D4.D$.D8.D.D28.D10.D$.D3.
3D2.D.D28.D3.3D4.D$.D8.3D28.D10.D!
hotdogPi wrote: July 21st, 2023, 4:29 pm Find the remaining gun periods.
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: July 21st, 2023, 8:04 pmGlider gun omniperiodicity
p14/p15 LWSS guns
LWSS/MWSS/HWSS true-period guns
[...]
Macbi wrote: July 26th, 2023, 9:42 am[...]
true period-14 glider gun
[...]
Can we get minimum period LWSS guns?
[...]
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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confocaloid wrote: January 22nd, 2024, 1:26 pm Is it feasible to run searches to eliminate possibility of a compact mod-7 period-14 gun? Did someone already do that?
The gun engine either would be turned 180 degrees after 7 ticks, or would be mirror-reflected after 7 ticks. There are multiple different possibilities for the relative positions of the output streams. The reduction in complexity due to symmetry might be sufficient to get interesting negative results (or find a compact true period 14 gun, if one exists).
[...]
I think one could also search for a compact mod4 p16 gun in a similar way.
Now that a true period 16 glider gun is known, it is possible to make proof-of-concept examples of the idea (see below). There are only four essentially distinct phases, instead of 16.

With bounding box 73-by-73, these patterns are unlikely to reappear from a direct search.
On the other hand, if there are known engineered solutions of this puzzle, then probably there are also unknown elementary guns of the same type that are two or three times smaller. Maybe even small enough to be discovered.

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#C (Rot90CCW) A capped mod4 p16 glider gun, made of four instances
#C of the first known p16 glider gun ( https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=179363#p179363 )
x = 73, y = 73, rule = B3/S23
27b2o29b2o$26bob3o27bo$26bo4bo24bobo$25b2obobobo23b2o$28bo2bo6b2o$25b2ob2o2b
3o2bo2bo$26bobob6o2b3o$26bo3b8o12b2o$27b2o9bo12b2o$37b2o11bo2$46b2o$47b2o$o
45bo$3o28b2o4b2o$3bo26bo2b2ob3o3b2o$2b2o26bo6bo5b2o$3b3o25bo2b2o6bo$4b2o21b2o
3b4o$4bobo19bobo$26bo$9bo15b2o$8b2o31b3o3b2o$8bobo27bo2b3o3b2o$22b2o13bobo2b
2o$13bo8b2o14bo12bo15bobo$12b2o37b3o11b3ob3o$12bobo13b3o23bo9bo7bo$27bo15b2o
8bo10bob4ob2o$19b2o2bo3bo3bo9bob2o8bo3bo9bo3bo$15b9o3bo2bobo7bo17bo6b2o2bobo$
14bo2b6o6bobo2bo8bo9bo5bo5b2obobo$5b2o7bo3bo11bo3bo4b2obo9bo6bo5b3obo$4bobo6b
2o2bo6bo9bo4b2o11bo2bo2b2o5b3o$4bobob2o5bo7bobo5b3o31b3o$5bobobo6b2o6bo40b2o$
7bo8b3o35bo10bo$6b2o8b3o29bo6bo2bo4bobobo$5b3o31b3o5bobo5b3o5b2obobo$5b3o24b
2o4bo9bo17bobo$3bob3o7b2o13bob2o4bo3bo23b2o$2bobob2o2bo4b2o12bo8bo2bobo$bobo
2b2o7b2o15bo7bobo2bo5b2o$bo3bo22b2obo9bo3bo3bobo4bobo$2ob4obo9b2o8b2o15bo3b2o
6b2o$o7bo9bo23b3o12bo$b3ob3o11b3o$3bobo15bo12bo14b2o9bobo$33bobo13b2o10b2o$
24b6o4bo26bo$24b4o2bo$27b2o2bo14b2o16bobo$29b2o15bo18b2o$44bobo18bo$34b2o8b2o
$32b2ob2o$32bo2bo33b2o$28bo3bo2bo5bo27bo$26b2o5b2o4b4o27b3o$27b2o9bo3bo29bo$
38bo2bo$24bo16bo$22b2o16bo$23b2o9b2o$34bo9b2o$20bo14b8o3bo$18b2o12b3o2b6obobo
$19b2o11bo2bo2b3o2b2ob2o$33b2o6bo2bo$15b2o23bobobob2o$14bobo24bo4bo$14bo27b3o
bo$13b2o29b2o!

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#C (Rot90CW) A capped mod4 p16 glider gun, made of four instances
#C of the first known p16 glider gun ( https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=179363#p179363 )
x = 73, y = 73, rule = B3/S23
27b2o29b2o$26bob3o27bo$26bobo2bo24bobo$25b2o2b2obo23b2o$28bob2o6b2o$25b2obo6b
obo2bo$26bobo9b3o10b3o$26bobobo5b2o15bo$27bo3b5o2bo13bo$37b2o$47b3o$49bo$32bo
15bo$o30b3o$3o27b2obo9b3o$3bo33b2o6bo$2b2o34b2o4bo$37b2o$5b2o20b2o8bo$5bobo
18bobo3bo$5bo20bo5bo9b2o$25b2o15b2o$9b2o31bobo2b2o$9bobo26bo4b2o2b2o$9bo12b2o
13bobo$21bo2bo13bo12bo15bobo$13b2o9bo18bo7b3o11b3ob3o$13bobo5bo2bo18b2o9bo9bo
7bo$13bo6b2ob2o3b3o11b2obo7b2o10b4ob3o$20bo2bo4b3o10bo2b3o22bobo$20bobo5b3o9b
obobo11b2o7bo2b2obo$16bo4bo9b3o5bobobo11b2obo5bo3bobo$5b2o8b3o13b3o3b3o2bo11b
2ob2o5bo4bo$4bobo7bo2b2o5bo6b3o4bob2o11b2ob3o5bo$4bobob2o4bo3bo4bobo13b2o12bo
10bo$5bobobo5b2obo5bo15bo13b2o8bo2bo$7bo9b2o36bob2o6bo$5bo2bo23bo15bo7bo6bobo
bo$8bo4bo18b2o13bobo6bobo4b2obobo$8bo5bo16b2obo4b3o6bo17bobo$3bo4bo2bo2bo15bo
2b3o3b3o7bo16b2o$2bobo3bo2b2o2bo13bobobo5b3o6bobo$bob2o2bo4b4o12bobobo9b3o6bo
5bo$bobo22b3o2bo10b3o3bobo4bobo$3ob4o10b2o7bob2o11b3o4bo6b2o$o7bo9bo9b2o$b3ob
3o11b3o7bo31bo$3bobo15bo12bo14b2o8bobo$33bobo13b2o9b2o$24b2o3b3o2bo$24b2o39bo
$32bo13b2o15bobo$32bo13bo17b2o$44bobo$35bobo6b2o$29bo4bo3bo2bo$29b2o6bo2bobo
26b2o$30bob5o3bobo26bo$26bo4b4o6bo28b3o$25bo7bo38bo$25b3o2$22bo$21bo12b2o$21b
3o10bo2b5o3bo$35b2o5bobobo$18bo13b3o9bobo$17bo14bo2bobo6bob2o$19bo13b2o6b2obo
$15bo24bob2o2b2o$14bob2o23bo2bobo$14bo27b3obo$13b2o29b2o!
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Partial crosspost from "Thread for basic questions". Which of these are/can be settled now?
forum post 196451 wrote: October 23rd, 2024, 5:30 pm
From: Allan Wechsler
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:01-0400
Subject: Missions


I think this is the first time that so many influential Life hackers
have had such fast access to a common forum. Wouldn't it be a good
occasion to restate some of the most outstanding problems? Here are a
few that spring to mind:

0. Provide a coherent, intuitive, rigorizable account of what
constitutes a Life "object".

1. Life is known to be universal. Write a compiler whose target is
Life.

2. Find a stable pattern that is its own only predecessor.

3. Prove the existence of oscillators of all positive integral periods.

4. Prove the existence of gliders of all velocities permitted by
2(dx+dy)<=dt.

5. Characterize the functions F(t) such that Life patterns exist whose
populations grow as O(F(t)). Provide explicit examples where possible.

6. Find the smallest area containing a pattern with no predecessor.

7. Find the minimal population for a pattern with no predecessor.

8. Provide bounds for the maximum period of an oscillator that fits at all
phases into an XxY rectangle.

9. Provide bounds for the maximum period of an oscillator that fits at
some phase into an XxY rectangle. In particular, consider X=1.

10. Demonstrate the existence of a pattern which possesses parents but
no grandparents.

11. Provide a statistical but rigorous account of the end state of
randomly initialized universes. Characterize "fires" and "quiet areas"
and provide probabilistic analyses of the prevalence of these two phases
with time.

12. Prove Schroeppel's "Cool Out" conjecture: if a configuration C is
locally stable over a rectangle R, then there exists a configuration C*
such that (a) C* is locally equal to C over R; and (b) C* is globally
stable.

13. For what oscillation regimes other than stability is an analog of
Schroeppel's Conjecture true?

14. Settle the question of how many distinct three-glider collisions
there are.

15. Does there exist a finite stable pattern which can defend itself
against any single glider?
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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EDIT by dvgrn: reworked slightly to avoid incorrect attribution in the quote.

I believe this is it:
0. Provide a coherent, intuitive, rigorizable account of what
constitutes a Life "object". UNSOLVED

1. Life is known to be universal. Write a compiler whose target is
Life. SOLVED I BELIEVE? UNSURE

2. Find a stable pattern that is its own only predecessor. SOLVED

3. Prove the existence of oscillators of all positive integral periods. SOLVED

4. Prove the existence of gliders of all velocities permitted by
2(dx+dy)<=dt. UNSOLVED? SOLVED FOR SLOPE 0 AND 1

5. Characterize the functions F(t) such that Life patterns exist whose
populations grow as O(F(t)). Provide explicit examples where possible. UNSOLVED

6. Find the smallest area containing a pattern with no predecessor. UNSOLVED

7. Find the minimal population for a pattern with no predecessor. UNSOLVED

8. Provide bounds for the maximum period of an oscillator that fits at all
phases into an XxY rectangle. UNSOLVED

9. Provide bounds for the maximum period of an oscillator that fits at
some phase into an XxY rectangle. In particular, consider X=1. UNSOLVED

10. Demonstrate the existence of a pattern which possesses parents but
no grandparents. SOLVED

11. Provide a statistical but rigorous account of the end state of
randomly initialized universes. Characterize "fires" and "quiet areas"
and provide probabilistic analyses of the prevalence of these two phases
with time. UNSOLVED?

12. Prove Schroeppel's "Cool Out" conjecture: if a configuration C is
locally stable over a rectangle R, then there exists a configuration C*
such that (a) C* is locally equal to C over R; and (b) C* is globally
stable. CONJECTURE DISPROVEN

13. For what oscillation regimes other than stability is an analog of
Schroeppel's Conjecture true? WHAT IS THIS?????

14. Settle the question of how many distinct three-glider collisions
there are. APPROXIMATELY SOLVED?

15. Does there exist a finite stable pattern which can defend itself
against any single glider? IF THIS IS ONE GLIDER TOTAL, SOLVED. IF THIS IS ONE GLIDER AS IN A SLOW SALVO, UNSOLVED.
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Well, the post was edited with "answers" (as dvgrn noted), so technically it is not a repost, that being said, I would love to know how come no 15 is solved (even in a restricted case)... I might need a link to believe it.
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Jormungant wrote: March 20th, 2025, 11:33 am Well, the post was edited with "answers" (as dvgrn noted), so technically it is not a repost, that being said, I would love to know how come no 15 is solved (even in a restricted case)... I might need a link to believe it.
Dvgrn provides an answer here, it has probably been answered earlier: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2036&p=199750&hilit=Glider#p199757
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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That doesn't seem to settle the problem.

The question in #15 says: "15. Does there exist a finite stable pattern which can defend itself against any single glider?"

The way I read that, it essentially asks for an "universal stable glider eater". Imagine something like eater 2, but instead of being able to eat a glider arriving on one of a few specific glider lanes, it can eat a glider arriving on any lane (as long as the glider interacts at all, it will be eaten, and the "universal eater" will recover after finitely many ticks).

It may or may not be necessary to avoid any leftover junk separate from the "universal eater", it might be "universal catalyst" rather than an eater. But at least it would need to recover itself.

A sparse array of blocks doesn't seem to answer the question in any way. It is a different question.
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Jormungant wrote: March 20th, 2025, 11:33 am Well, the post was edited with "answers" (as dvgrn noted), so technically it is not a repost, that being said, I would love to know how come no 15 is solved (even in a restricted case)... I might need a link to believe it.
Dvgrn provides an answer here, it has probably been answered earlier: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2036&p=199750&hilit=Glider#p199757
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Jormungant wrote: March 20th, 2025, 11:33 am Well, the post was edited with "answers" (as dvgrn noted), so technically it is not a repost, that being said, I would love to know how come no 15 is solved (even in a restricted case)... I might need a link to believe it.
There is a sense in which #15 is solved. If you interpret "defend itself" as "does not catastrophically explode", then a defended area surrounded by a sparse field of blocks is reliably defended against any single glider.

If you know that a single glider will collide with a target area in a particular time period, then we can combine that with mscibing's ash-clearing mechanism:

1) wait long enough that the single glider has safely collided and the dust has settled;
2) clear the entire area covered by the sparse-field-of-blocks defense;
3) use standard universal construction to rebuild the sparse field of blocks.

After some very large number of ticks, the self-defending pattern will return precisely to its initial state. In the absence of more gliders coming in, it will become a very large, very high-period oscillator. "Stable" in one sense of stable -- but probably not the intended sense!

The thing is, the pattern can't tell if a glider has come in or not. So, for example, there's no known way to reliably have an arbitrary incoming glider reliably send a signal to the rebuild mechanism. It all adds up to a very unsatisfactory and fragile kind of "self-defense".

We can also build huge stacks of highway robbers that can handle _almost_ any incoming glider -- any percentage of incoming glider lanes strictly less than 100% can be covered by a large enough highway-robber arrangement, I believe. But that's also not a very satisfactory kind of self-defense -- we don't know any way to reliably defend-and-recover for those few key incoming glider lanes at the corners.
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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I see, I also had this stronger sense of that "stable pattern", just managing gliders bound from 1 direction and a limited (but contiguous) range would be a challenge. Some kind of fuse that burns and triggers the repair on either end, then that should be in the realm of possible.

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This fuse has period 4 on both sides (at least the front end that is), remains to show there is no such magical corners with a fuse that burns inwards in a predictable manner, I mean, cannot be said it is known it cannot be done.
Jormungant
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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Probably found something better, a fuse wall that burns the exact same way in both direction, no matter the glider offset, and as added bonus, no run away gliders anywhere:

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x = 288, y = 474, rule = LifeHistory
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Re: Life has been proven omniperiodic. What next?

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I've known about the caterpillar (thouroughly) from Book. Is it possible to prove that for all (m, n), we can have a spaceship with (simplified) speed of (m, n)/(2m+2n)?
Roaming OCA randomly.

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x = 23, y = 11, rule = B2n3-jknr4ky5-eqry6ik7c8/S234cktwz5ai6-ci7c
2bo2b3o2bo7bo2bo$b2ob5ob2o6b2ob2o$2bo2b3o2bo7bo2bo4$10b2o$b3o5bobo$2o
b2o4b3o$b3o5bobo$10b2o!
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