Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk » March 28th, 2025, 11:47 am

WhiteHawk wrote:
March 28th, 2025, 7:48 am
While not dependent on P80n or x12 multiplier, it's still 80*12*n (n=9): Guntrue_8640 reduced by 1 row (2508 -> 2451)
A silly addendum: turns out that there was a different way to shave off yet another row from Guntrue_8640 (2451 -> 2394)

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x = 57, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
36bo$34b4o$28b2o3bobob2o$28b2o2bo2bob3o8b2o$33bobob2o9b2o$34b4o$36bo2$
11b2o$b2o8b2o32bo$2bo21bo18b3o$bo21bobo16bo$b2o7bo6bo6bo17b2o$3bo6bo5b
3o$b3o6bo4bo2b2o31b2o$o13b2o35bobo$2o12bobo3bo32bo$15b2o36bob2o$16b2o
4bo5b2o20b2obobo$16bobo3b3o4bo20b2obobo$16b2o8b3o15b2o7bob2o$15bobo8b
o7b2o7bo2bo3b4o2bo$4b2o9bo2bo8b2o4bobo8b2o4bo3b2o$4b2o10b3o9bo4bo18b2o
$16bo9bo5b2o19bo$17b2o5b4o23bo$17b2o4bo4bo22b2o$23b2o2b2o2$18b2o$17bo
bo$17bo$14b2obo7bo$15bobob2o2b3o$15bobob2o2b2o$14b2obo7bo$14bo2b4o3bo
10b2o$15b2o3bo3bo10bobo$17b2o18bo$17bo13bo5b2o$19bo12bo$18b2o10b3o!
EDIT: Guntrue_3934 (Undefined -> 9540)

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x = 105, y = 90, rule = B3/S23
33bo11b2o$10bo11bobo7bobo10b2o$8b3o11b2obob2o3bobo$7bo5b2o10bobobob2o
b2o$7b2o5bo7b2obo3bobo$14bob2o3bo2bob4o2bob2o$15bobo4bo3bo3bobob2o$2b
3o12bob3o3bo3bobo$2bobo11b2obo4bo3bobo$2o3bo6bo11b2o3bo$2o3bo5b2o$2o3b
o7bo$2b3o5b2o$bobo7bo25b2o$b2o9bo24b2o$2bo49b2o28b2o$51bo2bo21bob2obo
bo$52b2obo20b2obobo$14b2o39bo24b2o$55b2o$40b2o$41bo$38b3o29bo$9b2o15b
2o10bo25b2o3bobo16b2o$9b2o2b2o11bobo36bo3bo2bo8b2o5b2o$13b2o13bo36bob
2obobo7bobo$5b2o21b2o36bobobob2o5bobo$5bo2b2o59b2obo2bo4bo$6b3obo63b2o
$11bo$6b5o$6bo45b2o$9b2o42bo$9b2o42bobo$43bo10b2o16b2o$41b3o28b2o$40b
o$40b2o$25b2o$26bo45b2o$26bob2o42b2o$27bo2bo$28b2o$43b2o$43b2o2$72bo11b
2o$71bobo10b2o$52bo3b2o14bo$51bobo3bo33bo$50bobo3bo34b3o10bo$46b2obob
o3bo18b2o18bo7bobo$46b2obo2b4obo4b2o10b2o17b2o8b2o$50bobo3b2o3bobo$46b
2ob2obobo6bo$47bobo3bob3o2b2o$35b2o10bobo4bo2bo21bo$35b2o11bo6b2o21bo
bo$78bobo$79bo2$92b2o$92bo$90bobo$90b2o2$100b2obo$99bo2b2o$75bo24bo$73b
3o21b3ob2obo$72bo23bo2bobob2o$72b2o22b2o3$95bo$94bobo$94bo2bo$95b2o2$
98b2o$98bobo$100bo$79b2o13b2o4b2o$80bo5bo7bo$77b3o4b3o3b2o3b3o$77bo5b
o6bobo5bo$83b2o3bobob6o$88b2o$94b2o$94b2o!
EDIT 2: Guntrue_4102 (Undefined -> 10137)

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x = 107, y = 93, rule = B3/S23
32bo11b2o$9bo11bobo7bobo10b2o$7b3o11b2obob2o3bobo$6bo5b2o10bobobob2ob
2o$6b2o5bo7b2obo3bobo$13bob2o3bo2bob4o2bob2o$14bobo4bo3bo3bobob2o$16b
ob3o3bo3bobo$15b2obo4bo3bobo$b2o20b2o3bo$o2bo4b2o$o2bo3bobo$b2o3b2obo
$7b6o23b2o$8bo4bo22b2o$10bo2bo37b2o$11b2o37bo2bo$51b2obo$54bo29b2o$54b
2o22bob2obobo$39b2o37b2obobo$40bo41b2o$37b3o$8b2o15b2o10bo$8b2o2b2o11b
obo$12b2o13bo44bo$4b2o21b2o37b2o3bobo16b2o$4bo2b2o58bo3bo2bo8b2o5b2o$
5b3obo57bob2obobo7bobo$10bo57bobobob2o5bobo$5b5o61b2obo2bo4bo$5bo70b2o
$8b2o$8b2o$54b2o$55bo$55bobo$45bo10b2o16b2o$43b3o28b2o$42bo$42b2o$27b
2o$28bo45b2o$28bob2o42b2o$29bo2bo$30b2o$45b2o$45b2o2$74bo11b2o$73bobo
10b2o$54bo3b2o14bo$53bobo3bo33bo$52bobo3bo34b3o10bo$48b2obobo3bo18b2o
18bo7bobo$48b2obo2b4obo4b2o10b2o17b2o8b2o$52bobo3b2o3bobo$48b2ob2obob
o6bo$49bobo3bob3o2b2o$37b2o10bobo4bo2bo21bo$37b2o11bo6b2o21bobo$80bob
o$81bo2$94b2o$94bo$92bobo$92b2o2$102b2obo$101bo2b2o$77bo24bo$75b3o21b
3ob2obo$74bo23bo2bobob2o$74b2o22b2o3$97bo$96bobo$96bo2bo$97b2o2$100b2o
$100bobo$102bo$81b2o13b2o4b2o$82bo5bo7bo$79b3o4b3o3b2o3b3o$79bo5bo6bo
bo5bo$85b2o3bobob6o$90b2o$96b2o$96b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by jeremydover » March 28th, 2025, 12:11 pm

Sokwe wrote:
February 23rd, 2025, 7:57 pm
<snip/>
I managed to significantly reduce the p7 using LLS. I also shortened the p5 by one row using JLS (Edit: according to LLS using the same p7, the p5 could potentially be reduced by at most 6 more rows):

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x = 62, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
10b2o2bo21bo2b2o3bobo$10bo2bobo2b2o14b3o2bobo2b2obob2o$7b2obob2obo2bo
14bo3b2o2b3o3bobo$8bobo2bob2obo13bobobo2b2o3bobo2bo$7bo3bobo4bob2ob3o
6bo3bobo2bobo3bob2o$8b2o5b3obo2bo2bo4b2o4b2o2b2ob4obo$10b2o3bobo2bobob
obob2obo5bo4bobobobo$8b2obobo3b2o3b2ob3o3bob8obobobob2o$9bobobobobo4b
2o17bo2b2o$7bo2bobob2obobo3b4obo2bob4o2bobobo$7b2obobo5b2o8b4obo2bo2b
2o2bo$9bo2bo11bo4bo13b2o8b2o$9bobo6b2o4bo6bo21bo$8b2ob2o5bobo2bo6bobo
18bobo$9bo3bo5b3obob4o3bo5b2ob2ob2o5b2ob2o$7bo2bob4o11bob3o5bo8bo7bo3b
2o$7b4obobobo7b3ob3o6bo8bo7bo4bo$11bo2bob2obo5b2o3bo6bo8bo6b2ob3o$5b5o
2b2o3b2o5b2o3b3o6b2ob2ob2o7bo2bo$4bo2bo2b2o2b2o4b4ob2o4bo21b2o$4b2o3bo
2bo2bobobobobob2o3b2o6b2ob2ob2o7b2obo$6b4o2b2obobo3bobo4bo8bo8bo6bo2bo
b2o$2b3obo8bo2b4obobo4bo6bo8bo6b2obo$bo2b3ob2o5b3o6bo4b2o6bo8bo7bobobo
bo$obo4b2obo7b5obo2b2o9b2ob2ob2o8bob3o2bo$bo8bo6bo4bo2b2o28bo3b3o$10b
2o6b3obo33b3o$2bob3o6b2o5bob2o6b3o26bo$2b2ob2o3b6o5bo2bo4bo3bo24b2o$7b
obo5b2o5b3o4bo3bo3bobo$2b8o3bo2b2o7bo3bo3bo4b2o$2bo7bobobo2b6o3bo3b3o
5bo$3b3ob4obobo11bo$5b2o4bo3b3obo3bobo9b2o$8b2obob2o2bobobobobobo7bobo
$9bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobo8bo$7bobo6b4ob2ob2o2bo8b2o$7b2o6bo8bo3b2o17bo$
15b2o2b4obo23bo$19bo2b2o22b3o!
Some minor further reductions are probably possible, but I don't think it will get much smaller than this without a new gun mechanism.

The true-period p35 gun is now smaller than the record pseudo-period gun, shown below for comparison:

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Edit: one column reduction by replacing the toaster with a custom domino sparker:

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x = 61, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
10b2o2bo21bo2b2o3bobo$10bo2bobo2b2o14b3o2bobo2b2obob2o$7b2obob2obo2bo
14bo3b2o2b3o3bobo$8bobo2bob2obo13bobobo2b2o3bobo2bo$7bo3bobo4bob2ob3o
6bo3bobo2bobo3bob2o$8b2o5b3obo2bo2bo4b2o4b2o2b2ob4obo$10b2o3bobo2bobob
obob2obo5bo4bobobobo$8b2obobo3b2o3b2ob3o3bob8obobobob2o$9bobobobobo4b
2o17bo2b2o$7bo2bobob2obobo3b4obo2bob4o2bobobo$7b2obobo5b2o8b4obo2bo2b
2o2bo$9bo2bo11bo4bo13b2o8b2o$9bobo6b2o4bo6bo21bo$8b2ob2o5bobo2bo6bobo
18bobo$9bo3bo5b3obob4o3bo5b2ob2ob2o5b2o3bo$7bo2bob4o11bob3o5bo8bo8bobo
$7b4obobobo7b3ob3o6bo8bo8bo2bo$11bo2bob2obo5b2o3bo6bo8bo7b2o3bo$5b5o2b
2o3b2o5b2o3b3o6b2ob2ob2o6bo3b3o$4bo2bo2b2o2b2o4b4ob2o4bo20bo3bo$4b2o3b
o2bo2bobobobobob2o3b2o6b2ob2ob2o6bo$6b4o2b2obobo3bobo4bo8bo8bo6bo$2b3o
bo8bo2b4obobo4bo6bo8bo7bobo$bo2b3ob2o5b3o6bo4b2o6bo8bo6bo$obo4b2obo7b
5obo2b2o9b2ob2ob2o6b2obobob2o$bo8bo6bo4bo2b2o26bobob2obo$10b2o6b3obo
28bobob2o$2bob3o6b2o5bob2o6b3o17bo2bo4b2o$2b2ob2o3b6o5bo2bo4bo3bo16b2o
bob3obo$7bobo5b2o5b3o4bo3bo3bobo13bobo$2b8o3bo2b2o7bo3bo3bo4b2o13b2o$
2bo7bobobo2b6o3bo3b3o5bo$3b3ob4obobo11bo$5b2o4bo3b3obo3bobo9b2o$8b2obo
b2o2bobobobobobo7bobo$9bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobo8bo$7bobo6b4ob2ob2o2bo8b2o
$7b2o6bo8bo3b2o17bo$15b2o2b4obo23bo$19bo2b2o22b3o!
A one-cell reduction of the first new gun:

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x = 62, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
10b2o2bo21bo2b2o3bobo$10bo2bobo2b2o14b3o2bobo2b2obob2o$7b2obob2obo2bo
14bo3b2o2b3o3bobo$8bobo2bob2obo13bobobo2b2o3bobo2bo$7bo3bobo4bob2ob3o
6bo3bobo2bobo3bob2o$8b2o5b3obo2bo2bo4b2o4b2o2b2ob4obo$10b2o3bobo2bobob
obob2obo5bo4bobobobo$8b2obobo3b2o3b2ob3o3bob8obobobob2o$9bobobobobo4b
2o17bo2b2o$7bo2bobob2obobo3b4obo2bob4o2bobobo$7b2obobo5b2o8b4obo2bo2b
2o2bo$9bo2bo11bo4bo13b2o8b2o$9bobo6b2o4bo6bo21bo$8b2ob2o5bobo2bo6bobo
18bobo$7bo5bo5b3obob4o3bo5b2ob2ob2o5b2ob2o$8b3ob4o11bob3o5bo8bo7bo3b2o
$10bobobobo7b3ob3o6bo8bo7bo4bo$11bo2bob2obo5b2o3bo6bo8bo6b2ob3o$4bo3bo
3b2o3b2o5b2o3b3o6b2ob2ob2o7bo2bo$3bobo2b4o2b2o4b4ob2o4bo21b2o$4b2o6bo
2bobobobobob2o3b2o6b2ob2ob2o7b2obo$6b6o3bobo3bobo4bo8bo8bo6bo2bob2o$2b
3obo7b2o2b4obobo4bo6bo8bo6b2obo$bo2b3ob2o3bo2b2o6bo4b2o6bo8bo7bobobobo
$obo4b2obo3b2o2b5obo2b2o9b2ob2ob2o8bob3o2bo$bo8bo6bo4bo2b2o28bo3b3o$
10b2o6b3obo33b3o$2bob3o6b2o5bob2o6b3o26bo$2b2ob2o3b6o5bo2bo4bo3bo24b2o
$7bobo5b2o5b3o4bo3bo3bobo$2b8o3bo2b2o7bo3bo3bo4b2o$2bo7bobobo2b6o3bo3b
3o5bo$3b3ob4obobo11bo$5b2o4bo3b3obo3bobo9b2o$8b2obob2o2bobobobobobo7bo
bo$9bob2obobo2bobobo2bobo8bo$9bo6b4ob2ob2o2bo8b2o$8b2o5bo8bo3b2o17bo$
15b2o2b4obo23bo$19bo2b2o22b3o!
And a one-cell reduction of the 61x40 version:

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x = 61, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
10b2o2bo21bo2b2o3bobo$10bo2bobo2b2o14b3o2bobo2b2obob2o$7b2obob2obo2bo
14bo3b2o2b3o3bobo$8bobo2bob2obo13bobobo2b2o3bobo2bo$7bo3bobo4bob2ob3o
6bo3bobo2bobo3bob2o$8b2o5b3obo2bo2bo4b2o4b2o2b2ob4obo$10b2o3bobo2bobob
obob2obo5bo4bobobobo$8b2obobo3b2o3b2ob3o3bob8obobobob2o$9bobobobobo4b
2o17bo2b2o$7bo2bobob2obobo3b4obo2bob4o2bobobo$7b2obobo5b2o8b4obo2bo2b
2o2bo$9bo2bo11bo4bo13b2o8b2o$9bobo6b2o4bo6bo21bo$8b2ob2o5bobo2bo6bobo
18bobo$7bo5bo5b3obob4o3bo5b2ob2ob2o5b2o3bo$8b3ob4o11bob3o5bo8bo8bobo$
10bobobobo7b3ob3o6bo8bo8bo2bo$11bo2bob2obo5b2o3bo6bo8bo7b2o3bo$4bo3bo
3b2o3b2o5b2o3b3o6b2ob2ob2o6bo3b3o$3bobo2b4o2b2o4b4ob2o4bo20bo3bo$4b2o
6bo2bobobobobob2o3b2o6b2ob2ob2o6bo$6b6o3bobo3bobo4bo8bo8bo6bo$2b3obo7b
2o2b4obobo4bo6bo8bo7bobo$bo2b3ob2o3bo2b2o6bo4b2o6bo8bo6bo$obo4b2obo3b
2o2b5obo2b2o9b2ob2ob2o6b2obobo$bo8bo6bo4bo2b2o26bobob3o$10b2o6b3obo28b
obob2o3bo$2bob3o6b2o5bob2o6b3o17bo2bo4b2o$2b2ob2o3b6o5bo2bo4bo3bo16b2o
bob2obo$7bobo5b2o5b3o4bo3bo3bobo13bo2bobo$2b8o3bo2b2o7bo3bo3bo4b2o13b
2o2bo$2bo7bobobo2b6o3bo3b3o5bo$3b3ob4obobo11bo$5b2o4bo3b3obo3bobo9b2o$
8b2obob2o2bobobobobobo7bobo$9bobo2bobo2bobobo2bobo8bo$9bo2bobob4ob2ob
2o2bo8b2o$8b2o3bo10bo3b2o17bo$18b2ob2obo23bo$18b2obobo22b3o2bo!

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk » March 28th, 2025, 1:28 pm

Guntrue_1152 reduced by 4 rows (2450 -> 2250)

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x = 50, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
28bob2o4b2obo$28b2o2bo2bo2b2o$26b2o3bo4bo3b2o$25bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$26b3o
bobo2bobob3o$28bobobo2bobobo$31bo4bo$32b4o$33b2o$25b2o$26bo$26bobo3bo
$27b2o9bo$34bo2bobo$33b2o3bo$32bobo$32b2o$36bo11b2o$11b2o23b2o9bobo$b
2o8b2o23b2o11bo$2bo10bo10bo12bo$bo9b3o9bobo$b2o8bo2bo9bo$3bo8bobo$b3o
8b2o$o4b3o3bobo$2o5bo4b2o34b2o$13b2o33bo$9bo3bobo12b2o16bobo$14b2o13b
o16b2o$10b2o2bo4bo6b3o$11b3o5bo6bo4b2o$4b2o6bo6bo7b2o2b2o$4b2o22bo$27b
o$17b2o8b2o19b2o$17b2o22b2o5b2o$41b2o2$36bo$35bobo$35b2o6b2o$43bo$44b
3o$46bo!
(Sorry for this little rant in advance) Alright, who keeps doing this? Please stop with the unhelpful and pointless densification that make it really hard to actually see the gun in Catagolue.

(Current submission for Guntrue_1728)

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x = 56, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
8b2o18bob2o4b2obo11bo$7bo2bo8b2o7b2o2bo2bo2b2o6b2o2bobo$b2o4bo2bo8bo6b
2o3bo4bo3b2o4bobo2bobo$bo6b2o10b3o2bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo4bo4bo$2bo13b2o4bo3b
3obo6bob3o$obo8b2o2bobo10bobobo2bobobo$2o9bo4bo12b2o6b2o6b2o$9bobo8bo
10b6o9bo3b2o$8bobo8bobo22bo5b2o$3bo5bo10b2o3b2o17b2o$2bobo21bo23b2o$b
obo22bobo22bo$b2o24b2o5bob3o4bo7bobo$7b2o6bo18b4obo2bobo7b2o$7bo6bobo
16bo3b2o3bo2bo$8bo4bo2bo15bo2bo7b2o$7b2o5b2o16bo15bo2b2o$33bo2bo10bob
o2bo$11b2o23b2o6bo2b2o3bob2o$b2o8b2o23b2o4b3o8bobo$2bo34bo3bo5b2o$bo39b
2o5bo$b2o7bo6bo5b3o20bo$3bo6bo5b3o27b2o2b2o$b3o6bo4bo2b2o30bobo$o13b2o
36bo$2o12bobo3bo28bo2bob2o$15b2o28b2o3bobobo$16b2o4bo5b2o20bobobo$16b
obo3b3o4bo14bo7bob2o$16b2o8b3o4b2o9b4ob4o2bo$15bobo8bo5bobo14bo3b2o$4b
2o9bo2bo8b2o3bo18b2o$4b2o10b3o9bo2b2o19bo$16bo9bo10bo12bo$17b2o7b2o8b
o13b2o$17b2o17b3o!
EDIT: I almost got fooled just now into thinking an aircraft carrier in the gun above was actually an important part of said gun. This is why this densifications is a problem for people using Catagolue.

Anyway, here is a cleaned-up version of the gun above, which is what the form in Catagolue should look like.

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x = 56, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
16bob2o4b2obo$16b2o2bo2bo2b2o$14b2o3bo4bo3b2o$13bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$14b3o
bo6bob3o$16bobobo2bobobo$17b2o6b2o$19b6o2$29b2o$29bo$27bobo$17b3obo5b
2o$16bob4o$17b2o3bo$20bo2bo$23bo$19bo2bo$11bo6b2o23b2o$11b3o4b2o23b2o
8b2o$14bo3bo34bo$13b2o39bo$30b3o5bo6bo7b2o$4b2o31b3o5bo6bo$3bobo30b2o
2bo4bo6b3o$3bo36b2o13bo$2obo2bo28bo3bobo12b2o$bobobo3b2o28b2o$bobobo20b
2o5bo4b2o$2obo7bo14bo4b3o3bobo$o2b4ob4o9b2o4b3o8b2o$b2o3bo14bobo5bo8b
obo$3b2o18bo3b2o8bo2bo9b2o$3bo19b2o2bo9b3o10b2o$5bo12bo9bo10bo$4b2o13b
o7b2o8b2o$17b3o17b2o!
EDIT 2: removed a snake that also wasn't important to the gun's structure. EDIT 3: Flipped it so the glider goes the right way.
Last edited by WhiteHawk on March 28th, 2025, 2:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by confocaloid » March 28th, 2025, 1:59 pm

^^ That's incorrect. The canonical form of that gun should be this instead (gliders go to lower-right corner, width >= height):

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x = 56, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
16bob2o4b2obo$16b2o2bo2bo2b2o$14b2o3bo4bo3b2o$13bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$14b3ob
o6bob3o$16bobobo2bobobo$17b2o6b2o$19b6o2$29b2o$29bo$27bobo$17b3obo5b2o
$16bob4o$17b2o3bo$20bo2bo$23bo$19bo2bo$11bo6b2o23b2o$11b3o4b2o23b2o8b
2o$14bo3bo34bo$13b2o39bo$30b3o5bo6bo7b2o$4b2o31b3o5bo6bo$3bobo30b2o2bo
4bo6b3o$3bo36b2o13bo$2obo2bo28bo3bobo12b2o$bobobo3b2o28b2o$bobobo20b2o
5bo4b2o$2obo7bo14bo4b3o3bobo$o2b4ob4o9b2o4b3o8b2o$b2o3bo14bobo5bo8bobo
$3b2o18bo3b2o8bo2bo9b2o$3bo19b2o2bo9b3o10b2o$5bo12bo9bo10bo$4b2o13bo7b
2o8b2o$17b3o17b2o!
WhiteHawk wrote:
March 28th, 2025, 1:28 pm
[...] Anyway, here is a cleaned-up version of the gun above, which is what the form in Catagolue should look like.

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x = 56, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
28bob2o4b2obo$28b2o2bo2bo2b2o$26b2o3bo4bo3b2o$25bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$26b3o
bo6bob3o$28bobobo2bobobo$29b2o6b2o$31b6o2$25b2o$26bo$26bobo$27b2o5bob
3o$34b4obo$33bo3b2o$32bo2bo$32bo$33bo2bo$11b2o23b2o6bo$b2o8b2o23b2o4b
3o$2bo34bo3bo$bo39b2o$b2o7bo6bo5b3o$3bo6bo5b3o31b2o$b3o6bo4bo2b2o30bo
bo$o13b2o36bo$2o12bobo3bo28bo2bob2o$15b2o28b2o3bobobo$16b2o4bo5b2o20b
obobo$16bobo3b3o4bo14bo7bob2o$16b2o8b3o4b2o9b4ob4o2bo$15bobo8bo5bobo14b
o3b2o$4b2o9bo2bo8b2o3bo18b2o$4b2o10b3o9bo2b2o19bo$16bo10bo9bo12bo$17b
2o8b2o7bo13b2o$17b2o17b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Period1GliderGun » March 28th, 2025, 2:54 pm

Manual 1-column reduction of the p18 gun (far left):

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x = 80, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
35bo4b2o$34bobo3bo19b2o$34bob3obo6bobo10bo3b2o$35bo3bo7b2obo10bo2bo$37b
o12bo3b2o4b2o3bo$36b3o6b4obob3obo2bo2b4o$39bo4bo4bobo4bo3bobo$34b3ob3o
4b2o2bo2b2obob4obob4o$32b2o3bo4b2obob3o2b2obo8bo2bo$30bo2b3o2bo3b2ob2o
3bo2bob2o2b2o$30b5obobo7bob2ob2obo3bobo$7bo27b2obob7o2bobo2b3o3bobo$6b
obo16b2o3b4o2bob2o7b2o3b2o3b4ob3o$5bo2bo15bo2bobobo9b5o8bobo4bo3bo$b2o
2bobob2ob2o2b2o6bob2obo2b2o3b4o2bo2b2obo4bobo2bobo2b2o$bobobobo2bob2o
2b2o4b3obo2bo5bobo2bo5bob2o5bo3b2o$3bobobo2bo10bo6b2ob3obo$2bobo2b3o2b
8o2b6o2b2o4bo$bo2bobo3bobo7b2o6bo2bo3bo5bo$2b2obobo2b2o2b2o2bo3bob2ob
o4bo2bo3b3o9b2o2b2o$3bobobo2bo3bo4bob2obobo2bo3bo4bo12bobo2bo$3b3obob
3obobo3bo4bo2b4o6bobo8b2obo2b2o3bo$b2obo2b2o2b2o3bo7bo7b2ob3obo7bo2bo
b2o2b6o$o2bo3bobo3b3o3bo2bob2o7bob4o8b2obo4bo6bo$b2o7b2obo2b7obo7b2o16b
o2b2ob3obo2bo$11bo2bobo7bobo3b2obo11b2o3bobo3bobob2obo$11bob2obo2b4o2b
obobob4o2bo5b4o4b6obo3bo$10b2o2bobobo4b2o2bobo3bo3b2o3b2obo2bobobo4bo
bobo$12bo4bo3b2o2b2o2b7ob2o4b2o2b2obob2ob2o2b2o$12b2o4b2ob3o3b2o3bo10b
2o3bobobo3bobo$10b2o2bo6bo3b2o2b3o6b4o5bo2bo2b3o2bo$11bobo2b3o2b2o3bo
bo2bo5bo6bobo3bo4bobo$11bo2b2o2b3o5bob2ob2o4bobo2bobobobob2o4bo6bo$10b
2obo7b5obo3bob3o4bobobob2obo2bo9bobo7b2o$9bo3b3o2b2o9b2ob4ob3o2b2obo3b
obobo7bobobo5bo2bo3b2o$10b3o3bo2b2o2b6obo4b3o2b2o3bo3bo2bobo6bo3bo5bo
bobo2bo$12bobob2o12bobo4bobo2b3o3b2o4bo4b2ob3o5b2obo2bobo$14b2o2b3ob4o
b2ob2ob2ob2o2bo6bo6b2o2bobobo11bobob2o$10b4o3bo2b8obo3b2o2b2obob3o2bo
9bobo9b5o5bo$9bo4b2obo14bo7bobo2bob2o7b4o7b2o2bo2b2ob2o$9b5o2bo13bo2b
o3b2obobob2obo6b2o6bo3b2o2bo4bobo$7b2o6bo14bob4o6bobo2b2ob3o2bob2obob
obo4bo5bobo$6bo2bobobob2o17b2ob2ob5o3bobo2bobo4bobob4obobo4bo$6b2obob
obo2bo13b2o7bo4b2obo2bob2obob2obo2bo4bob2o$9bo2bob2o8b2o5bo12b2o4bo3b
obo2b2o3b3obo$9b2obo3bo6bobo5bo19b2obo2bo8bobo$11bobob2o6bobo4bo22bob
2o10bo$11bobobo7b2o10bo17bo$12bo4bo18bo15b2o$16b2o16b3o!
Currently on another planet.

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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by jeremydover » March 28th, 2025, 3:37 pm

Period1GliderGun wrote:
March 28th, 2025, 2:54 pm
Manual 1-column reduction of the p18 gun (far left):

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x = 80, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
35bo4b2o$34bobo3bo19b2o$34bob3obo6bobo10bo3b2o$35bo3bo7b2obo10bo2bo$37b
o12bo3b2o4b2o3bo$36b3o6b4obob3obo2bo2b4o$39bo4bo4bobo4bo3bobo$34b3ob3o
4b2o2bo2b2obob4obob4o$32b2o3bo4b2obob3o2b2obo8bo2bo$30bo2b3o2bo3b2ob2o
3bo2bob2o2b2o$30b5obobo7bob2ob2obo3bobo$7bo27b2obob7o2bobo2b3o3bobo$6b
obo16b2o3b4o2bob2o7b2o3b2o3b4ob3o$5bo2bo15bo2bobobo9b5o8bobo4bo3bo$b2o
2bobob2ob2o2b2o6bob2obo2b2o3b4o2bo2b2obo4bobo2bobo2b2o$bobobobo2bob2o
2b2o4b3obo2bo5bobo2bo5bob2o5bo3b2o$3bobobo2bo10bo6b2ob3obo$2bobo2b3o2b
8o2b6o2b2o4bo$bo2bobo3bobo7b2o6bo2bo3bo5bo$2b2obobo2b2o2b2o2bo3bob2ob
o4bo2bo3b3o9b2o2b2o$3bobobo2bo3bo4bob2obobo2bo3bo4bo12bobo2bo$3b3obob
3obobo3bo4bo2b4o6bobo8b2obo2b2o3bo$b2obo2b2o2b2o3bo7bo7b2ob3obo7bo2bo
b2o2b6o$o2bo3bobo3b3o3bo2bob2o7bob4o8b2obo4bo6bo$b2o7b2obo2b7obo7b2o16b
o2b2ob3obo2bo$11bo2bobo7bobo3b2obo11b2o3bobo3bobob2obo$11bob2obo2b4o2b
obobob4o2bo5b4o4b6obo3bo$10b2o2bobobo4b2o2bobo3bo3b2o3b2obo2bobobo4bo
bobo$12bo4bo3b2o2b2o2b7ob2o4b2o2b2obob2ob2o2b2o$12b2o4b2ob3o3b2o3bo10b
2o3bobobo3bobo$10b2o2bo6bo3b2o2b3o6b4o5bo2bo2b3o2bo$11bobo2b3o2b2o3bo
bo2bo5bo6bobo3bo4bobo$11bo2b2o2b3o5bob2ob2o4bobo2bobobobob2o4bo6bo$10b
2obo7b5obo3bob3o4bobobob2obo2bo9bobo7b2o$9bo3b3o2b2o9b2ob4ob3o2b2obo3b
obobo7bobobo5bo2bo3b2o$10b3o3bo2b2o2b6obo4b3o2b2o3bo3bo2bobo6bo3bo5bo
bobo2bo$12bobob2o12bobo4bobo2b3o3b2o4bo4b2ob3o5b2obo2bobo$14b2o2b3ob4o
b2ob2ob2ob2o2bo6bo6b2o2bobobo11bobob2o$10b4o3bo2b8obo3b2o2b2obob3o2bo
9bobo9b5o5bo$9bo4b2obo14bo7bobo2bob2o7b4o7b2o2bo2b2ob2o$9b5o2bo13bo2b
o3b2obobob2obo6b2o6bo3b2o2bo4bobo$7b2o6bo14bob4o6bobo2b2ob3o2bob2obob
obo4bo5bobo$6bo2bobobob2o17b2ob2ob5o3bobo2bobo4bobob4obobo4bo$6b2obob
obo2bo13b2o7bo4b2obo2bob2obob2obo2bo4bob2o$9bo2bob2o8b2o5bo12b2o4bo3b
obo2b2o3b3obo$9b2obo3bo6bobo5bo19b2obo2bo8bobo$11bobob2o6bobo4bo22bob
2o10bo$11bobobo7b2o10bo17bo$12bo4bo18bo15b2o$16b2o16b3o!
SAT-based 25-cell reduction:

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x = 80, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
33b2o4bo$34bo3bobo$34bob3obo$35bo3bo9b2o13b2o$37bo9bo2bo3b2o3b2o4bo$
36b3o6b4obob3obo2bo2b3o$39bo4bo4bobo4bo3bobo$34b3ob3o4b2o2bo2b2obob4ob
ob3o$32b2o3bo4b2obob3o2b2obo8bo2bo$30bo2b3o2bo3b2ob2o3bo2bob2o2b2o5b2o
$30b5obobo7bob2ob2obo3bobo$26b2o7b2obob7o2bobo2b3o3bobo$27bo2b4o2bob2o
7b2o3b2o3b4ob3o$27bobobo9b4obo7b2o9bo$5b2o4bobo2b2o6bob2obo2b2o3b4o2bo
b2o7bob3o5b2o$5bobo2bob2o2b2o4b3obo2bo5bobo2bo17bo$3bobobo2bo10bo6b2ob
3obo$2bobo2b3o2b8o2b6o2b2o4bo$bo2bobo3bobo7b2o6bo2bo3bo5bo10bo$2b2obob
o2b2o2b2o2bo3bob2obo4bo2bo3b3o9bobo2b2o$3bobobo2bo3bo4bob2obobo2bo3bo
4bo12bobo2bo$3b3obob3obobo3bo4bo2b4o6bobo8b2obo2b2o2bo$b2obo2b2o2b2o3b
o7bo7b2ob3obo7bo2bob2o2b5o$o2bo3bobo3b3o3bo2bob2o7bob4o8b2obo4bo5bo$b
2o7b2obo2b7obo7b2o16bo2b2ob3obo2bo$11bo2bobo7bobo3b2obo11b2o3bobo3bobo
bob2o$11bob2obo2b4o2bobobob4o2bo5b4o4b6obo2bo$10b2o2bobobo4b2o2bobo3bo
3b2o3b2obo2bobobo4bobobo$12bo4bo3b2o2b2o2b7ob2o4b2o2b2obob2ob2o2b2o$
12b2o4b2ob3o3b2o3bo10b2o3bobobo3bobo$10b2o2bo6bo3b2o2b3o6b4o5bo2bo2b3o
2bo$11bobo2b3o2b2o3bobo2bo5bo6bobo3bo4bobo$11bo2b2o2b3o5bob2ob2o4bobo
2bobobobob2o4bo6bo$10b2obo7b5obo3bob3o4bobobob2obo2bo9bobo7bo3bo$9bo3b
3o2b2o9b2ob4ob3o2b2obo3bobobo7bobobo5bobobobo$10b3o3bo2b2o2b6obo4b3o2b
2o3bo3bo2bobo6bo3bo5bobobo2bo$12bobob2o12bobo4bobo2b3o3b2o4bo4b2ob3o5b
2obo2bobo$14b2o2b3ob4ob2ob2ob2ob2o2bo6bo6b2o2bobobo11bobob2o$10b4o3bo
2b8obo3b2o2b2obob3o2bo9bobo9b5o5bo$9bo4b2obo14bo7bobo2bob2o7b4o7b2o2bo
2b2ob2o$9b5o2bo13bo2bo3b2obobob2obo6b2o6bo3b2o2bo4bobo$7b2o6bo14bob4o
6bobo2b2ob3o2bob2obobobo4bo5bobo$6bo2bobobob2o17b2ob2ob5o3bobo2bobo4bo
bob4obobo4bo$6b2obobobo2bo13b2o7bo4b2obo2bob2obob2obo2bo4bobobo$9bo2bo
b2o8b2o5bo12b2o4bo3bobo2b2o4bo2bo2bo$9b2obo3bo6bobo5bo19b2obo2bo6b2o3b
2o$11bobob2o6bobo4bo22bob2o$11bobobo7b2o10bo17bo$12bo2bo20bo15b2o$13b
2o19b3o!

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by iNoMed » March 29th, 2025, 4:06 am

Period-18 glider gun reduced from 80x50 (4000-cell BB) to 78x50 (3900-cell BB) with a small reduction of the p3 portion of one of the custom p6 sparker's branches:

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x = 78, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
31b2o4bo$32bo3bobo$32bob3obo$33bo3bo9b2o13b2o$35bo9bo2bo3b2o3b2o4bo$
34b3o6b4obob3obo2bo2b3o$32bo9bo4bobo4bo3bobo$33b3ob2o4b2o2bo3b3ob4o3b
3o$29bobo5b2o2bobo2b2o3bobobo3b2obo2bo$28bo2b4o2b2ob2obo2bo4bo2bob2ob
3o2b2o$28b3o5bobo5bob2ob2obo2b2o3bo$24b2o8bobob7o2bobo2b3o3bobo$25bo2b
3o2b2ob2o7b2o3b2o3b4ob3o$25bobo3b3o5b4obo7b2o9bo$4bo4bobo2b2o6bob2obo
3b2o2b4o2bob2o7bob3o5b2o$3bobo2bob2o2b2o4b3obo2bobo3bobo2bo17bo$3bobo
2bo10bo6b2o2b4o$b3ob2obob8o2b6o3bo3bo$o9bo2bo4b2o2bo3b2o2b4o5bo10bo$ob
2ob4o4b2obo3b2o2b2o4b3o4b3o9bobo2b2o$bo3bob2o2bo2b5obobo3b2o8bo12bobo
2bo$3bobo6bo2bo5b2obob2o7bobo8b2obo2b2o2bo$2b2obo2bobo3bo7bo6bobob3obo
7bo2bob2o2b5o$bobo2bo2bob3o3bo2bo2bo7b2o3bo8b2obo3b2o5bo$2bobo3b2obo2b
7obo8bo14bo2bob2o2b2obo2bo$bo7bo2bobo7bobo3bo2bo3bo9b3o6bobobob2o$bo7b
ob2obob5o2bobobob2o4bo6b3ob2o3b4obo2bo$bo6b2o2bobo6b2o2bobo4b2ob2o3b2o
4bob3o4bobobo$10bo4bo2bobo2b2o2b4o4bo5bo4bobobo2b2o2b2o$10b2o4bo3b2o3b
2o3bo2bo7bo4bobobo3bobo$8b2o2bo4bo3bob2o2b2o7bobob2o2b2o2bo2b3o2bo$9bo
bo2bo4b4obobo2bo5bobobob2o5bo4bobo$9bobob2ob3o3bo3b2obo5bob2obobobobob
2o4bo6bo$8b2o4b2o3b4ob2o3bo4b2o2bobobob2obo2bo9bobo7bo3bo$7bo3b3o2b2o
9b2ob4ob3o2b2obo3bobobo7bobobo5bobobobo$8b3o3bo2b2ob7obo3bo5b2o3bo3bo
2bobo6bo3bo5bobobo2bo$10bobob2o12bob2o3bobo2b3o3b2o4bo4b2ob3o5b2obo2bo
bo$12b2o2b3ob4ob2ob2ob2o2b2obo6bo6b2o2bobobo9bob3ob2o$8b4o3bo2b2o4b2ob
o5bo2bobob3o2bo11bo10b2obo2bo2bo$7bo4b2obo13b2o7bobo2bob2o8b2o4bo4b2o
4b2ob2o$7b5o2bo13b3o5bobobob2o3bo4b2obo2bobo3b2ob2o4bobo$5b2o3bo2bo17b
o2bob2ob2obo2bo3b2o2bob2obobobo2bobo5bobo$4bo2b3obob2o13bo3b2o2b3o2bo
2b2o3bo3bo2bobobob4obobo4bo$4b2obobobo16bo14b3o2bob2obob2obo2bo4bobobo
$7bo2bob2o2b2o4b2o3b2o14bo4bobobobo2b2o4bo2bo2bo$7b2obobo8bo2bo2b2o14b
o5b2obo2bo6b2o3b2o$9bobob2o6bo6bo22bob2o$9bobobo8b2o3bo4bo18bo$10bo4bo
4bo12b2o15b2o$14b2o16b2o!
For reference, here's the period-3 oscillator that was used to help rlifesrc complete the relevant gun_18 reduction:

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x = 15, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
4bo4b2o$3bobo2bo2bo$3bobo2bob2o$b3ob2obobo$o9bo$ob2ob4ob2o$bo3bob2o$3b
obo7b2o$2b2obo2bob2o2bo$bobo2bo2bob2o$2bobo3b2o$bo8b2obo$bo8bob2o$bo!

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x = 35, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b2o3b2o3bo3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$2o2bobo3bo2bobobobobobobobobobo$obobo2bo2bob
o2bobo2bo2bobo3bobo$2bobo3bobobobo2bo5bobo3bobob2o$b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2o3b
2ob2o3b2ob2o!

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk » March 29th, 2025, 4:28 am

Guntrue_6080 reduced by a lot (6006 -> 4134)

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x = 77, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
50b2o10b2o$49bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo$49b3o2b6o2b3o$52b10o$51bo10bo$51b2o8b2o6$
44b2o24b3o$40bobo2bo10b3o$39bob4o13bo9bo5bo$37b3o16b3o9bo5bo$24b2o10b
o3b7o21bo5bo$25bo10bobobobo2bobo$6bo17bo9bobob2o7bo$6b3o15b2o8b2obob3o
4bo$9bo27bo3bo4b2o25b2o$8b2o27b2o2bo31bo$74b3o$25b2o22b2o25bo$12b2o10b
o2bo21b2o$10bob3o9bo4bo$11b4o10b6o$28bob2o$28bobo$2bo7b3o3b3o9b2o38bo
6b2o$66b3o5bobo$ob3o9bo50bo10bo$2b2obo8bo50b2o$2bob2o8bo$3b3obo$59bo$
5bo52bobo$11bo2bo43bobo$9bo2b2o2bo42bo$9bo2b2o2bo$11b4o37b3o10bo$9bob
o2bobo35b3obo7bobo$9b2o4b2o36bobobo6bobo$54bo2bo7bo$55b2o3$62b2ob2o$58b
2o2b2obo3b2o$58bo6bobo2bo$59b7ob2o$66bo$61b4obo$61bo2b2o!
Guntrue_3040 reduced in a similar fashion (5467 -> 3978)

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x = 77, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
50b2o10b2o$49bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo$49b3o2b6o2b3o$52b10o$51bo10bo$51b2o8b2o6$
44b2o24b3o$40bobo2bo10b3o$39bob4o13bo9bo5bo$37b3o16b3o9bo5bo$24b2o10b
o3b7o21bo5bo$25bo10bobobobo2bobo$6bo17bo9bobob2o7bo$6b3o15b2o8b2obob3o
4bo$9bo27bo3bo4b2o25b2o$8b2o27b2o2bo31bo$74b3o$25b2o22b2o25bo$12b2o10b
o2bo21b2o$10bob3o9bo4bo$11b4o10b6o$28bob2o$28bobo$2bo7b3o3b3o9b2o38bo
6b2o$66b3o5bobo$ob3o9bo50bo10bo$2b2obo8bo50b2o$2bob2o8bo$3b3obo$59bo$
5bo52bobo$11bo2bo43bobo$9bo2b2o2bo42bo$9bo2b2o2bo$11b4o37b3o7b2o$9bob
o2bobo35b3obo5b2o$9b2o4b2o36bobobo$54bo2bo$55b2o10bo$63b2obobo$62bobo
bobo$59bo2bobobobob2o$59b4ob2o2bo2bo$63bo4b2o$61bobo$61b2o!
Lastly, reduction by a little to Guntrue_4560 (3570 -> 3486)

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x = 81, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
51b2o10b2o$50bo2bo8bo2bo$50b3o10b3o$53b10o$52bo2b6o2bo$52b2o2b4o2b2o6$
45b2o15b2o$41bobo2bo14bo2bo$40bob4o16bobo8bo$38b3o22bo7bo2bo$25b2o10b
o3bob5o23b3o$26bo10bo2bo2bo2bobo10b3o9b3o$7bo17bo9bobob4o5bo8b2ob4o$7b
3o15b2o8b2obo3b2o3bo4b2o3b2o2bo2bo$10bo27bobob2o3b2o3b3o4bo2bobo9b2o$
9b2o27b2o13b2o2bo2b2obo10bo$60bo14b3o$17bo38b4o17bo$15bo3bo24b3ob3o6b
o7bo$14bo13b2o13b4obo2bo13bo$13b2o5b2o6b2o12bobo$12bo8bo29bo9b2o8bo6b
o$3bo10bobo4bo22b3o14b2o7b2o6b2o$2b2o7bo2bo3b3o24b2o2b2o18b3o6b3o$bob
2o6b2o2bo54b2o6b2o$3o2bo7b3o55bo6bo$2bobobo7bo$3bobobo$4bo2b3o63bo2bo
$5b2obo62b3o2b3o$6b2o62bo8bo$6bo6b2o56b3o2b3o$11b2o2b2o$11bo4bo$12bo2b
o53bo$10bobo2bobo52bo$10b2o4b2o50b3o!
Also, some of the 80n guns have not been update in Catagolue (guntrue_4720 isn't yet in there, and Guntrue_9440, Guntrue_9360, and Guntrue_5440 have been reduced to forms smaller than those currently in Catagolue)

EDIT: Guntrue_9440 reduced using the better form of guntrue_4720 (4116 -> 3430)

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x = 49, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
30b2o4b2o$30bobo2bobo$32b4o$30bo2b2o2bo$30bo2b2o2bo$32bo2bo2$40b2o$40b
2obo$7bo36bo$6bobo8b2o22bo$6bobo9bo15bo7bob2o$5b2ob2o8bobo13bo9b2o$8b
o5bo4b2o15bo$5b4o4bobo18b2o$6bobo5bo19b2o$4bo$4b2o6bo4b2o$11bobo3b2o$
7b2o2bo2bo$7b2o3b2o$37b2o8b2o$21b2o14bo8bobo$4bo16bobo14b3o7bo$4b3o16b
o16bo$7bo15b2o$6b2o2$2bo$bobo$bob2o6bo13b2o20b2o$2obo7b2o12bo21bo$o2b
2o7b2o9bobo19bobo$b2o2bo3bo3b3o7b2o20b2o$3b2o2bo2bo2b3o$b2o2b2o2b2o5b
o13b2o$o2bo11b2o13b2o$b2o12b2o2$12b2o33b2o$13bo26b2o5b2o$11b2o11b2o14b
2o$11bo13bo$24bo10bo$24b2o8bobo$5b2o11b2o14b2o6b2o$5b2o10bo2bo21bo$17b
obo11b2o10b3o$18bo4b2o6b2o12bo$12b2o11b2o$13bo6bo2bob2o$12bo7bo$12b2o
6b2o3b3o$26bo4$23b3o8b2o$22b2ob2o5bo2bo$23bob2o4bob2o$13b2o9b2o6bo2b3o
$12bobo18b2o3bo$12bo7bo15b2o$11b2o6bobo11b2obo$19b2o12bo2bo$34b2o3$27b
2o$27b2o!
EDIT 2: Guntrue_2988 reduced by nearly 1/2 (4234 -> 2752)

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x = 43, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12bobo$14bo$14b2o2$12b4o$12bo2bo$13bo$10b3o$10bo4$11bob2o10bo8b
2o$9b3ob2o6b3o2bo7b2o$8bo12bo2bobo$9b3ob2o7b3ob2o$11bobo$11bobo$12bo9b
2o$21b2obo$26bob2o$27b2o9bo$12b2o23bobo$13bo23bobo$13bobo7b2ob3o7b2ob
2o$14b2o8bobo2bo10bo$3bo5bo14bo2b3o6b2obo$2bobo4b3o13bo10b2obobo$2bob
o7bo27b2o$2o2b2o5b2o$bobo$o2b3o34bo$obo3bo6b3o22b3o$bob3ob2o4bobo21bo
$3bo8bo2bo19bo2bo$3bo8b2o21b4o$bob3ob2o$obo3bo10b3o15b2ob3o$o2b3o7bo4b
3o15bobo2bo$bobo8bobo21bo2b2o$2o2b2o7bo21b2o$2bobo34b4o$2bobo33bo3bo$
3bo34b2o3$32bo$31bobo7b2o$31bobo6bobo$32bo9bo2$25b3o7b2o$25b3obo4bobo
$26bobobo3bo$27bo2bo5bo$28b2o10bo$37bobobo$36b4obo$32bo2bo3bob2o$32b4o
b2o2bo$36bo4bo$32b2o2bob3o$32b2o3b2o!
EDIT 3: Guntrue_5976 (Undefined -> 2904)

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x = 44, y = 66, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12bobo$14bo$14b2o2$12b4o$12bo2bo$13bo$10b3o$10bo4$11bob2o5b3o11b
2o$9b3ob2o5bo2bo10b2o$8bo14bob3o$9b3ob2o9bo2bo$11bobo7b2ob3o$11bobo11b
o$12bo3$38bo$12b2o11bo11bobo$13bo10b3ob2o7bobo$13bobo7bo2bo9b2ob2o$14b
2o7b3obo12bo$3bo5bo17bo2bo5b2obo$2bobo4b3o16b3o5b2obobo$2bobo7bo27b2o
$2o2b2o5b2o$bobo2bo5b3o$o2b5o5b3o24bo$obo4bo4b3obo21b3o$bob2o2b2o2b2o
3bo20bo$3bo3b2o2bob3o19bo2bo$3bo3b2o3b3o20b4o$bob2o2b2o$obo4bo9b3o15b
2ob3o$o2b5o5bo4b3o15bobo2bo$bobo2bo5bobo21bo2b2o$2o2b2o7bo21b2o$2bobo
34b4o$2bobo33bo3bo$3bo34b2o3$32bo9b2o$31bobo7bobo$31bobo9bo$32bo2$25b
3o$25b3obo$26bobobo3b2obo$27bo2bo4b2ob2o$28b2o5b2o3$35b2ob2o$31b2o2b2o
bo3b2o$31bo6bobo2bo$32b7ob2o$39bo$34b4obo$34bo2b2o!
EDIT 4: Guntrue_8964 (Undefined -> 2944)

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x = 64, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
19b2o$19b2o3$18b3o$18bo2bo$16bo$15bo6bo$14bo$13bo5bobob2o$13bob2o5bo2b
o$11bo2bo8bo2bo21bo$9bo3bo9bo3bo19bobo$4b2o2bo38bobo4b2o$4b2o2bo4bo14b
2o15b3ob2o4bo$8b2o14bo4bo2b2o6bo3bo10bob2o3b2o$29bo2b2o4b3o4b3ob2o5bo
bo4bo$10bo3bo9bo3bo8bo9bob2o7bob3o$11bo2bo8bo2bo10b2o18b2obo$12bo2bo5b
2obo$13b2obobo5bo$23bo$15bo6bo$21bo$16bo2bo23bo4b2o$17b3o23b2o2bobo$38b
o5bo2bobo$36b3o4bo3b2o$10b2o5b2o16bo14bo$9b3o5b2o18b2o3bo4b3o$8bob2o24b
obo2bo5bo$7bobo26bobo2b2o$7bo2bo25b2o4bo$8b2o$14b2o$2ob2o8bo2bo$2obo10b
2o$3bo5b2o38b2o$3b2o6bo10bo2bob2o20b2o$b2o2bo2bob2o10b4obo7b2obo$o2bo
b2o20bobo5b2ob3o$2obobo13b2o3b2ob2obo10bo$bo2b3o12bobobobo4bo4b2ob3o$
bo5bo6bo6bobobo4b2o2bo2b2o$2b5o8bo5bo2bo9b2o$4bo8b3o4b2o!
EDIT 5: Some 166n guns

Guntrue_1328 reduced using different Charity support (1806 ->1786)

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x = 38, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$8bobo$10bo$10b2o2$8b4o$8bo2bo$9bo$6b3o$6bo3$16bo$7bob2o4bobo12b2o
$5b3ob2o4bobo12b2o$4bo11bo$5b3ob2o10bo$7bobo10b3o$7bobo10b3o$8bo2$b2o
$bo2bo29bo$3b2o3b2o10b3o10bobo$9bo10b3o10bobo$bobo5bobo9bo10b2ob2o$o2b
o6b2o14bo9bo$bo4bo18bobo4b2obo$5bobo17bobo4b2obobo$b2o3bo19bo9b2o2$bo
bo4bo$2b2o2b3o27bo$bob2o29b3o$bob2o28bo$2b2o27bo2bo$bobo27b4o$7b2o$b2o
4b2o22b2o$32bo$bo30bobo$o2bo29b2o$bobo2$3b2o24bo$bo2bo25bo$b2o25b3o!
Guntrue_2656 reduced in similar fashion (2666 -> 2546) (EDIT: one more row off with better tuck)

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x = 38, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$8bobo$10bo$10b2o2$8b4o$8bo2bo$9bo$6b3o$6bo2$22bo$20b3o$7bob2o19b
2o$5b3ob2o19b2o$4bo13bo4b3o$5b3ob2o6bobo3b2o$7bobo8bobo2bo$7bobo8b2ob
2o$8bo10b3o$20bo$b2o19bo$bo2bo16b3o10bo$5bo2b2o10b2ob2o8bobo$2bobo4bo
9bo2bobo8bobo$2bo6bobo6b2o3bobo6b2ob2o$bo8b2o5b3o4bo11bo$obo3bo25b2ob
o$5bobo24b2obobo$b2o3bo13b3o13b2o$20bo$2bo5b3o$2bo4b5o24bo$3o4bo2b2o22b
3o$3o30bo$2bo28bo2bo$2bo28b4o$7b2o$b2o4b2o22b2o$32bo$obo29bobo$bo31b2o
$2bo$2bobo$5bo$bo2bo$b2o6b2o11b2o$8bo2bo9bo2bo$8b2obo9bob2o$8bo2bo9bo
2bo$10bo11bo$9b3o9b3o$10b2o9b2o14bo$7bob2o11b2obo9bobo$8b2o13b2o11b2o
2$8b2o13b2o$7bob2o11b2obo$10b2o9b2o$9b3o9b3o$10bo11bo$8bo2bo9bo2bo$8b
2obo9bob2o$8bo2bo9bo2bo$9b2o11b2o!
Almost reduction to Guntrue_166 itself, except the glider goes right into the eater 2 and the catalyst is the wrong period.

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x = 34, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3bobo$5bo$5b2o23b2o$25b2o3bo$3b4o18bo2bobobo$3bo2bo20b2obo2bo$4b
o18b4o6bo$b3o19bo3b5o$bo24bo4b2o$12bobo4bo6bobob4o$12bo4b2o4bo3b2obo$
2o10b3ob3o4b2o5bo$obob2o10b2o6b2o4b2o$2bob2o8bo2bo6bo$bo12b2o7bo$b2ob
2o7bo$2bobo10b3o$2bobo11b2o$3bo3$29bo$15b2o11bobo$15b3o10bobo$7bo2bo8b
o7b2ob3o$10bo6b2o14bo$6bo8bo2bo8b2ob3o$6b2o7b2o10b2obo$14b3ob3o$14b2o
4bo$13bo4bobo$31bo$29b3o$28bo$26bo2bo$26b4o2$26b2o$27bo$27bobo$28b2o!
WhiteHawk wrote:
March 29th, 2025, 4:28 am
Guntrue_6080 reduced by a lot (6006 -> 4134)
EDIT 6: Turns out, the slightly older support for P76 pi hassler doesn't just help it work in Pedestrian Life, but it shaves a row off of guntrue_6080 too

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x = 77, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
60bo2b2o$60b4obo$65bo$58b7ob2o$57bo6bobo2bo$57b2o2b2obo3b2o$61b2ob2o3$
54b2o$9b2o4b2o36bo2bo7bo$9bobo2bobo35bobobo6bobo$11b4o36b3obo7bobo$9b
o2b2o2bo34b3o10bo$9bo2b2o2bo$11bo2bo43bo$5bo51bobo$57bobo$3b3obo50bo$
2bob2o8bo$2b2obo8bo$ob3o9bo49b2o$64bo$2bo7b3o3b3o9b2o35b3o8bo$28bobo36b
o6bobo$28bob2o43b2o$11b4o10b6o$10bob3o9bo4bo$12b2o10bo2bo21b2o$25b2o22b
2o21b2o$72bo$8b2o27b2o2bo32bo$9bo27bo3bo4b2o22b5o$6b3o15b2o8b2obob3o4b
o23bo$6bo17bo9bobob2o7bo24b5o$25bo10bobobobo2bobo28bo$24b2o10bo3b7o24b
o2bo$37b3o16b3o9bo2bo2bo$39bob4o13bo9bo2bo$40bobo2bo10b3o9bo2bo$44b2o
25bo$72bobo$72b2o$69b2obo$68bo2bobo$68bob2ob3o$51b2o8b2o4b2o2bo4bo$51b
o10bo6bobob3o$52b10o7bobobo$49b3o2b6o2b3o5bo$49bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo$50b2o10b
2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by confocaloid » April 1st, 2025, 12:20 am

EDIT: this was an April Fools post. The posted p38 glider gun doesn't exist in Conway's LIfe, even though it does exist and evolves exactly as shown in a different CA. For more details, see the link: viewtopic.php?p=209182#p209182 The original message follows:
Period1GliderGun wrote:
May 14th, 2024, 4:47 pm
P38 flipper gun partial that just needs an extremely edgy dot:

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x = 26, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
5bo$5b3o$8bo$7b2o2$3b2o$2bo2bo$2bob3o5b2o$b2o3bo4b3o$o3b4o4bobo$b3o3b
o3b4o$4b3ob6ob2o3bo$3bo2bo6bobo2bo$3b2o8bo2bobo$b2o4bo7bo2bo2b2o$2bo5b
o6b2o4bobo$2bobo7b3o8bo$3b2o5bo3bo8b2o$21b2o$11b3o5bo2bo$18bob2o$19bo
2b3o$20b2o3bo$23b2o$20b2obo$20bo2bo$21b2o!
A catalyst might work too.
True period 38 glider gun with bounding box 32-by-30, smaller solutions almost certainly exist:

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#C [[ MAXGRIDSIZE 9 GRID THEME Caterer ]]
x = 47, y = 30                                                                                                                                                  , rule = R3,C0,S234-467,B287,351-467,NW0D00000100000D000D0100010D00000175757501000100750075000100017575750100000D0100010D000D00000100000D
17b2o$12b2o2bobo$10bo2b4o5bo$8b4o5bo3bobo$7bo7b3o3bob3o$7bobo4bo3b2obo
4bo$8bobo3b2o2bobobobobo$9bo10bobob2o4b2o$19b2ob3o5bo$17bo3b2o5bobo$
16bo3bo7b2o$2o18bo$bo12bo5bo$bobo8bo7b2obo$2b3o7bo2bo4b5o$4b3o5bo2bo2b
4ob2o$4b2o8b2o5b2o$6bo9b2ob2o10bo$16bobobo8bobo$2b2o26b2o$bobo7bo5b3o$
bo8bobo$2o4b2obobo10bo$5bobobobobo2b2o3bobo$5bo4bob2o3bo4bobo$6b3obo3b
3o7bo$8bobo3bo5b4o$9bo5b4o2bo$13bobo2b2o23bob2o$13b2o28b2obo!
Here is the old pseudo period 38 glider gun (from gun_38):

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#C [[ GRID MAXGRIDSIZE 9 THEME Catagolue ]]
#CSYNTH gun_38 costs 5488 cells.
#C period 38 fullperiod 76 bbox 112 by 49
#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 112, y = 49, rule = LifeHistory
26.B2.A4.2A58.AB6.A$25.2ABA2BA.A2.A56.B.2A3.3A$25.2A5B2.A.3A54.2A.
B2.A$23.A.2A5B3A4.A54.BA3.2A$21.A2BA.B5A4.2A.A57.4B$21.A2BA2.A.3B.
2A.A.A.2A52.B.3B$22.A5.2B4.A.A.A.A52.7B$25.B.3B4.A.3A.A51.8B$24.2A
5B4.5A52.9B$23.ABA5B5.3B52.5B3A2B8.A$23.BA7B3.2B.2B52.3BA2BA3B5.3A
$22.10B3.5B9.2A39.5BA6B4.A$23.10B3.3A11.A8.A23.2A4.10BA3B3.2A$21.
5B4A2BA3.BAB11.A.AB5.3A22.A4.2B5A3BA8B$14.2A4.5BAB3A2BAB3.A13.3A.
2A5.A20.A5.2B3ABA3BAB.4B$15.A4.11B2A4B16.2A.A4.2A20.4A2.2BA3BAB4A
6B$14.A5.7BA4B.A3B16.2AB5.4BAB19.A2.4B2A4B2ABA4B.2B$14.4A2.6BA6B2A
4B15.4B5.BAB2A2B11.4A4.9B2AB2A6B2A$17.A2.3B2A13BABA15.2A3.2BA2B5AB
8.A2.2B3.5B2A4B2ABA4B.B2A$12.3AB4.B4AB2A12BAB13.B2AB.5BA2B3A2B7.2A
.2B2.4BA3BAB4A6B2.B$11.A2.AB3.5B3AB2A3BA6BA2B8.2A3.2A2.2BA3BA2BABA
11.2BA.4B3ABA3BAB.6B$11.2A.2B2.8B3A4BA2BA2BA4B7.A2.ABA2.10B2AB11.
8B5A3BAB3.4B$2A12.3B.20B3.4B7.2AB.A2.4BA5BAB11.A2BA13BA3.B2A2B$.A
12.22B6.4B9.A4.3BA5BA6.2A4.3BA4B.4BA3B5.2A.B2A$.A.AB8.11B2A5B.2B2A
B6.4B5.3A7.3ABA2B6.B2A2B.A13BA2BA8.BA.A$2.2AB.2A5.4B2A2B.2B2A4B4.
2A8.4B4.A9.3A5B6.5BA3B5A8B12.A$4.2B2AB3.5B2A11B15.4B12.10B3.7BA3BA
B3A4B.A2B12.2A$4.4B3.18B17.4B11.6B.12B4ABA3BA4B2.2B.2A$4.6B.14B.3B
18.4B9.6B3.9BAB2A4B2A5B3.2B2.A$2.B2.3B2A4B3A8B2.2B.2A16.4B4.B2.7B
4.8B2AB2A9B4.4A$.2AB.8B2AB3A5B3.BA2.A17.4B.5B3ABA2B5.7BAB2A4B2A4B
2.A$.2A12B2AB4AB4.B3A19.14B2A7.7B4ABA3BA2B2.4A$2.2B.13B2A3B2.A25.
10B2A3B9.4B.BA3BAB3A2B5.A$5.3B2A6BA6B2.4A23.10B2A.2BA7.6BA3B5A2B4.
A$6.3BA.4BA7B5.A24.10B2.2A.A5.B3.3BA10B4.2A$4.6B2A11B4.A26.7B7.A4.
BAB3.6BA5B$4.2A3.BA2B3ABA5B4.2A26.6B7.2A3.3A3.3BA2BA3B$5.A4.A2B4A
5B34.3BA12.B3AB3.2B3A5B$2.3A5.10B37.ABAB11.BA.AB3.9B$2.A8.10B37.2A
2B11.3A5.8B$11.7BAB39.4B9.5A4.7B$12.5BABA40.4B7.A.3B.A4.3B.B$12.5B
2A42.4B6.A.B.B.A4.2B5.A$13.3B.B44.4B4.2A.A.A.2A.A2B.A2.A2BA$11.4B
48.4B5.A.2A4.4BAB.A2BA$11.2A3.AB46.4B4.A4.3A4BA2B.A$12.A2.B.2A46.
3BA4.3A.A2.6AB$9.3A3.2A.B47.3BA5.A2.A.5BAB$9.A6.BA49.3AB5.2A4.B2.A!
Last edited by confocaloid on April 3rd, 2025, 3:37 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk » April 1st, 2025, 3:27 am

WhiteHawk wrote:
March 29th, 2025, 4:28 am
Guntrue_6080 reduced by a lot (6006 -> 4134)
Guntrue_3040 reduced in a similar fashion (5467 -> 3978) ...

EDIT 6: Turns out, the slightly older support for P76 pi hassler doesn't just help it work in Pedestrian Life, but it shaves a row off of guntrue_6080 too
This April 1st, joke's on me! Guntrue_3040 get 1 more row shaved off as well (3978 -> 3900)

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x = 77, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
60b2o$60bobo$62bo4b2o$58b4ob2o2bo2bo$58bo2bobobobob2o$61bobobobo$62b2o
bobo$54b2o10bo$9b2o4b2o36bo2bo$9bobo2bobo35bobobo$11b4o36b3obo5b2o$9b
o2b2o2bo34b3o7b2o$9bo2b2o2bo$11bo2bo43bo$5bo51bobo$57bobo$3b3obo50bo$
2bob2o8bo$2b2obo8bo$ob3o9bo49b2o$64bo$2bo7b3o3b3o9b2o35b3o8bo$28bobo36b
o6bobo$28bob2o43b2o$11b4o10b6o$10bob3o9bo4bo$12b2o10bo2bo21b2o$25b2o22b
2o21b2o$72bo$8b2o27b2o2bo32bo$9bo27bo3bo4b2o22b5o$6b3o15b2o8b2obob3o4b
o23bo$6bo17bo9bobob2o7bo24b5o$25bo10bobobobo2bobo28bo$24b2o10bo3b7o24b
o2bo$37b3o16b3o9bo2bo2bo$39bob4o13bo9bo2bo$40bobo2bo10b3o9bo2bo$44b2o
25bo$72bobo$72b2o$69b2obo$68bo2bobo$68bob2ob3o$51b2o8b2o4b2o2bo4bo$51b
o10bo6bobob3o$52b10o7bobobo$49b3o2b6o2b3o5bo$49bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo$50b2o10b
2o!
My past CC semi-snark fetish was definitely not well-advised, so here are some reductions featuring CP semi-snarks instead

Guntrue_4320 reduced (2538 -> 2346)

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x = 46, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
28b2o4b2o$28bobo2bobo$30bo2bo$29bo4bo$29bo4bo$29bo4bo$31b2o$38b2o$38b
2obo$42bo$15b2o22bo$16bo13bo9bob2o$16bobo10bobo10b2o$17b2o9bo3bo$29bo
bo$30bo2$15b2o16b2o$15b2o16b2o3$35b2o$35bo$13b2o21b3o$14b2o22bo$10bo4b
o$10bo3bo$10b2o7b3o$19bo24bo$42b3o$2o21bo17bo$2o5b2o11bob2o17b2o$6b2o
bo11b2o5b2o$6bo21b2o$35bo$10bo23bobo$8b3o7b2o14bobo$15bo3bo15bo$14bo4b
o9b2o$14b2o13b3o6b2o$15b2o12b2obo5b2o$31bobo$30bo2bo$31b2o10bo$39b2ob
obo$13b2o23bobobobo$13b2o20bo2bobobob2o$35b4ob2o2bo$39bo4bo$35b2o2bob
3o$35b2o3b2o!
Well, April fool's - it's just one for now. But seriously, the current Catagolue forms for Guntrue_4960 and Guntrue_5440 are outdated and should be replaced

EDIT: April fool's again, I have another - Guntrue_9440 reduced using CP semi-snark (3430 -> 3360)

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x = 70, y = 48, rule = B3/S23
33bo3b2o$32bobobob3o$32bobobo4bo$33bobobobobo$35bobob2o4b2o5b2o$23b2o
9bobo8bo6bo2bobo$23b2o10bo7bobo8b2ob3o$43b2o4b2o9bo$49b2o3b2ob3o$23b3o
5bo22b2obo$22bo3bo4b2o$6bo18bobo5bo16b2o$6b3o8b2obo5bo22bo2bo$9bo7bob
2o2bob4o5bo10bo3bobo3bo$8b2o14b2o4bo15bo3bo3bobo$25bo4b2o3b2o7b3o8bo$
31bo3bo3bo$22bo7b2ob2o3bobo10b2o6bo$21bobo9b2o4b2o10b2o4b3o$21bo2bo31b
o$12bo9b2o32b2o$11b3o32b2o$10bobobo32bo4b2o$10bo3bo21b2o6b3o5b2o$8b2o
5b2o8b2obo7bo7bo$7bo4bo4bo7bob2o8b3o$6b2o2b2obo2b3o14b2o4bo$2o6bob6ob
o14b3o$2o11b4o14bob2o$11b2obo15bobo22b3o$10b4o16bo2bo31bo2b2o$9bo3bo7b
2o8b2o20bo5bo5b2o2bo$7b2ob2o9b2o14b2o14bo5bo4b5o$5b2obobo15b2o8bo2bo12b
o6bo$4bobobobobo13bo10b2o12b2o$4bo4bob2o10b2obo26bob3o6b5o$5b3obo13bo
2b3o4b2o16b2o12b2o2bo$7bobo14b2o3bo3b2o12b2o16bo2b2o$8bo17b4o16bobo12b
2o$26bo15b2o2bo$27b3o12bobobo13bo3bo$30bo13bob2o11bo4bo$25b5o14bo13bo
bobo$25bo17b2o12bobobo$27bo27bo4bo$26b2o13bo13bo3bo$42bo$40b3o14b2o!
EDIT 2: Another foolish omission: reduction to Guntrue_1152 (2250 -> 2035)

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x = 55, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
28bob2o4b2obo$28b2o2bo2bo2b2o$26b2o3bo4bo3b2o$25bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$26b3o
bo6bob3o$28bobobo2bobobo$29b2o6b2o$31b6o2$25b2o$26bo$26bobo$27b2o5bob
3o$34b4obo$33bo3b2o$32bo2bo$32bo$33bo2bo$11b2o23b2o5b2o$b2o8b2o23b2o5b
3o$2bo34bo5b2obo$bo43bobo$b2o7bo6bo5b3o18bo2bo$3bo6bo5b3o26b2o$b3o6bo
4bo2b2o19b2o$o13b2o22bo2bo8b2o$2o12bobo3bo18b2o10bo$15b2o34bob2o$16b2o
4bo5b2o13b2o4b3o2bo$16bobo3b3o4bo13b2o3bo3b2o$16b2o8b3o19b4o$15bobo8b
o7b2o15bo$4b2o9bo2bo8b2o4bobo12b3o$4b2o10b3o9bo4bo13bo$16bo10bo4b2o5b
o8b5o$17b2o8b2o9bo11bo2bo$17b2o19b3o11b2o!
Also, why is Guntrue_4720 not yet in Catagolue?
Period1GliderGun wrote:
March 5th, 2025, 4:32 pm
EDIT2: gun_4720 reduction (infinity -> 3360)
(also gun_4720 wasn't infinite/undefined at the time of this post due to my less optimized version posted earlier, but that's beyond the point because this one is smaller)

EDIT 3: Guntrue_595 reduced by 1 row and 1 column (5248 -> 5103)

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x = 80, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
b2o3bobo12b2o55b2o$o2bo2bo2bo6b2o2bobo54bobo$o9bo5bo3bo58bo$o2bo4b4o5b
3ob4o4b2o$2o3b4o3b2o5bobo2bo4b2o$2b4o4bo2bo$3bo9bo47b2o$4bo2bo2bo2bo26b
2o3bo16bo$5bobo3b2o26bo3b4o6bo6bobob2o$39bobo5bo4bobo4b3obobo$38b2o5b
o2bo3bobo2bo5bo$36bo3b2obo7b2ob2o2b4obo$39b2o3b2o5bo10bo$20b3o18bob2o
3bo3b3o4b3o$8b2o9bo3bo12bo2bo5b2o7bo4bo$8b2o8bo5bo12bo5bobo9b4o$18bo5b
o13b4o3bo$18b3ob3o14bo3b2o2$56bo$55bobo$54bo2bo$55b2o3$51b2o$50bobo$9b
2o39bo$8bobo32bobo3b2o$8bo5bo29b2o8b2o$7b2o6bo28bo10bo$11bo3bo39bobo$
14bo41b2o$61bo$13bobo44bobo$14bobo43bobo$14b2o45bo$22b4o$21bo4bo$19b3o
4b2o40b2o$18bo6bobo40bo$19bob2obo41bobo$19bo2bobo2bo38b2o4bobo$22bob2o
bo44b2obo$19bobo6bo46bo$19b2o4b3o44b3ob2obo$20bo4bo26b2o17bo2bobob2o$
21b4o26bobo17b2o$51bo$50b2o$70bo$69bobo$69bo2bo$70b2o2$58b2o13b2o$59b
o13bobo$59bob2o12bo$56b2obob2o6b2o4b2o$56bobo10bo$58bob2obob2o3b3o$58b
o2bob2obo5bo$59b2o!
EDIT 4: April fools again again! BB reduced below 5000 cells. (5103 -> 4758) EDIT 7: Reduced population

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x = 60, y = 78, rule = B3/S23
b2o18b2o$b2o4b2o7b2o2bobo$6bob2ob2o3bo3bo$4b3obob4o3b3ob4o$19bobo2bo$
4obob3o$b2ob2obo$5b2o4b2o9b2o$11b2o9b2o2$17bo20b2o5bo$16bobo19b2o4b2o
$15b2ob2o22b2o$15bobo5b2obo12bo2b3ob2o2bo$8b2o13bob2o11b3obo2bob3o$8b
2o13bo3bo9bo2b2ob3o2bo$16b2ob2o4b2o17b2o$13bo6bo21b2o4b2o$14bo4b2o21b
o5b2o$17bo$15bobo$15b3o3$55b2o$55bo$53bobo$9b2o42b2o$8bobo$8bo$7b2o40b
2o$48bo2bo$48bobo$49bo3$53bob2o$26bo12bobo6b2o2bo4bo$21b2o4b2o10b2o7b
2o3bobo2bo$19b3ob2o2b2o11bo12bob4o$18bo8bo$19bob2o27bobobob2obo$19bob
o3bobo21bob2obobob2o$24b2obo21bo3bobo$19bo8bo19b2o3bo$18b2o2b2ob3o24b
2o$18b2o4b2o$20bo15bo$15bo20b3o$15b3o21bo12b2o$18bo19b2o11bob3o$17b2o
32bo4bo$35bo7bo6b2ob3o$33b3o6bobo3bo3b2o$5b2o25bo9bo2bo5bo$6bo25b2o9b
2o6bo$3b3o3bo38bo3b3o$2bo3b4o40b2obob2o$2bobo24b2o20bobo3bo$3b2ob2o20b
o2bo19bobobo2bo$6b2o21b2o21bo3b3o$3b2o48b3o$3bo52bo$4bo50b2o$3b2o17b2o
$22bo$23b3o$5b2o5b2o11bo$4bobo4bo2bo$4bo6bobo3b2o$3b2o7bo4bobob2o$8b2o
9bobo37bo$9bo8b2o2bo34bobo$6b3o11b2o36b2o$6bo11b2o$19bo$18bo$18b2o!
EDIT 5: Guntrue_1190 reduced (5508 -> 4914)

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x = 78, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
2b2o5bo12b2o43b3o$o2bo4bo8b2o2bobo45bo$9bo2b2o3bo3bo46bo$6b2obobo2bo3b
3ob4o$o4b2o2b2o4bo4bobo2bo$bo2bobob2o$2b2o2bo$7bo4bo2bo5b2o18b2o2bobo
$6bo5b2o4bobo3bo15bobo2bo2bo$18bob2obo16bo3bob2o$20b3o16b2ob2o$18bob2o
17bo2b2o$18b2obo8bo8b3o3b3o$31bo11b2o2bo$9b2o9bo8b3o11b2ob2o$9b2o12bo
15b2obo3bo$20bo2bo14bo2bo2bobo$23bo15bobo2b2o$19b2o$19b3o2$17bo$16bob
o39b2o$16bo2bo38bo$16b2ob2o35bobo$17bobo36b2o$18bo33bo$10b2o39bobo$9b
obo39bobo$9bo42bo$8b2o4$38bob2o$38b2o2bo$23bo2bo14bo$27bo10b2ob2o$22b
o5bo9bobo3b2o$20b3obobob2o10bob2o2bo26b2o$19bo3b2o3bo10bobo2b3o15b2o9b
o$19bobobobo2bo10bo2b2o18b3o5bo3b3o$40b2o2b3o18bo4b4o3bo$20bo2bobobob
o12bo2bo18bo10bobo$20bo3b2o3bo12b2o3bobob2o19b2ob2o$19b2obobob3o15b3o
b2ob2o19b2o$20bo5bo15b2o2bo28b2o$21bo19bo2bo2b3ob2o23bo$22bo2bo16b2o5b
obo23bo$49bobo4b2o17b2o$50bo6bo$54b3o$54bo11b2o5b2o$65bo2bo4bobo$61b2o
3bobo6bo$57b2obobo4bo7b2o$58bobo9b2o$57bo2b2o8bo$58b2o11b3o$60b2o11bo
$60bo$61bo$60b2o!
Guntrue_952 reduced (4248 -> 2793)

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x = 48, y = 56, rule = B3/S23
42bo$41b2o3b2o$41b2o3b2o$42bo$41bo2bo$40b3obo$40bo3b2o$17bo23b2o3bo$17b
3o12b2o8bob3o$20bo11b2o8bo2bo$19b2o23bo$39b2o3b2o$39b2o3b2o$30bo13bo$
29bo$26b2o6b2o$26bo4bo3b2o8b2o$26b3o2bo2bo2bo6bobo$b2o4bo27b2o7bo$b3o
b2obo20bobo3bo7b2o$o7bo20b3o13b2o$5b2ob2o33b2o2bo$2bo3bo2bo29b2o3bob2o
$2bo5bo23b3o4b2o3bo$bo2bo3bo25bo8b2o$b2ob2o25bobo$2bo7bo20bob2o$2bob2o
b3o22bo$3bo4b2o3$16b2o$15b3o$14bob2o$13bobo$13bo2bo$14b2o$8b2o10b2o9b
o4bo$7bobo9bo2bo9bo2bobo$7bo12b2o8bobob2ob3o$4b2obo23b2o2bo4bo$5bobob
2o20b4o2b4o$5bobob2o20bo2bobo2bo$4b2obo7b2o13b4o2b4o$4bo2b4o3bo2bo7b2o
3bo4bo2b2o$5b2o3bo4b2o8bobo3b3ob2obobo$7b2o18bo5bobo2bo$7bo19b2o5bo4b
o$8bo$7b2o2$15bo$10b3ob2o2b2o$10b4o4b2o7bo$14b2o12bo$26b3o!
Guntrue_1071 (Undefined -> 3591)

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x = 67, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
57bo2b2o$57b4obo$2o4b2o12b2o40bo$2o3b3o7b2o2bobo33b7ob2o$2o2bo3bo6bo3b
o34bo6bobo2bo$3o3b4obo4b3ob4o30b2o2b2obo3b2o$o10bo6bobo2bo34b2ob2o$ob
4o3b3o$3bo3bo2b2o$4b3o3b2o27b2o17b2o$4b2o4b2o26bobo2b3o12b2ob2o$38bob
3o2bo3b2o6b2obo$37b2obob3obo3bo$36bo2b4o2b3o2bobo$35b3o7b3o3b2o$35b3o
2b4o2bo$7b2o27bob3obob2o20bo$7b2o28bo2b3obo19bobo$37b3o2bobo20b2o$42b
2o2$46bo14b2o$44b3o14bo$43bo18b3o$18b3o16bo5b2o19bo$17bo2bo17b2o$17b2o
2bo15b2o$18bo2b3o$19b3o$8b2o9b4o$7bobo10bobo$7bo14bo10b2o$6b2o24bobo8b
o$18b2o12bo9bobo$17bo2bo10b2o9bobo$17bo2bo22bo$18bobo3$21bo18b2ob2o$20b
ob4o10b2o2b2obo3b2o$18b3ob2obo10bo6bobo2bo$17bo4bo4bo9b7ob2o$17bob3ob
o3bo16bo$21bobo15b4obo$17bo3bob3obo11bo2b2o$17bo4bo4bo$19bob2ob3o$19b
4obo$23bo!
Guntrue_1309 (Undefined -> 3750)

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x = 74, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
57b2o$21b4o31bo2bo12b2o$20bo4bo31b2o13bo$19b2o4b3o16b2o24bobo$19bobo6b
o11b2o3bo24b2o$22bob2obo12bo2bo21bo$19bo2bobo2bo10b2o2b3o19bobo$19bob
2obo12bo2b2o23bo$18bo6bobo9bobo2b3o25b2o$19b3o4b2o10bob2o2bo25bobo$21b
o4bo9bobo3b2o28bo$22b4o10b2ob2o31b2o$39bo$36b2o2bo$36bob2o24b2o$59b2o
4bo$59b2o3bo$63bo$7b2o50b5obo$8bo41bo8bo4bobo$8bobo38bobo9bo2bobo$9b2o
38bobo8b2o3bo$50bo$17bo36b2o$16b3o35bobo$15bo2bo37bo$15bobo38b2o$16bo
2$19bo$19b3o$19bo2bo16bo3b2o$20bobo15b4o3bo$8b2o10b2o6bo8bo5bobo$8b2o
19bo6bo2bo5b2o$20bo6bo2bo10bob2o3bo$18b3o6bobo9b2o3b2o$17bo18bo3b2obo
$16b2o20b2o5bo2bo$16b2ob2o18bobo5bo$5bobo3b2o8b3o15bo3b4o$4bo2bo2bo2b
o8b2o16b2o3bo$3bo9bo$2b4o4bo2bo$2o3b4o3b2o5bobo2bo$o2bo4b4o5b3ob4o$o9b
o5bo3bo45bo$o2bo2bo2bo6b2o2bobo44bo$b2o3bobo12b2o42b3o!
EDIT 6:

Guntrue_833 reduced by non-elementary x7 conduit (6256 -> 5850 [EDIT 7: 1 more row off for BB 5775)

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x = 76, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
53b2o$47bob2obobo$47b2obobo$51b2o5$59b2o$52b2o5b2o$51bobo$50bobo$51bo
$b2o18b2o$b2o4b2o7b2o2bobo$6bob2ob2o3bo3bo$4b3obob4o3b3ob4o$19bobo2bo
$4obob3o$b2ob2obo$5b2o4b2o27b2o3bo$11b2o8bo17bob4o2bo$20b3o16bobob4o$
19bo3bo14b2obobo$17bo7bo11bo4b2obo$17bo7bo12b3o3b3o$13b2o2bo3bo3bo2b2o
9bob2o4bo$8b2o2b2o6bobo6b2o10bobob2o$8b2o3bo5bo3bo5bo8b4obobo$14bob4o
3b4obo8bo2b4obo$20bobo16bo3b2o$16bo9bo28b2o$16bo9bo28b2o$17bobo3bobo$
18bo5bo37bo$62b3o10bo$45b2o18bo7bobo$45b2o17b2o8b2o3$9b2o$8bobo$8bo41b
2o$7b2o37b2o2b2o$45bobo$45b2o$63b2o$63bo$61bobo$61b2o$26bo$21b2o4b2o42b
2obo$19b3ob2o2b2o41bo2b2o$18bo8bo15b2obo24bo$19bob2o20bob2o21b3ob2obo
$19bobo3bobo39bo2bobob2o$24b2obo39b2o$19bo8bo$18b2o2b2ob3o$18b2o4b2o40b
o$20bo44bobo$65bo2bo$66b2o2$69b2o$69bobo$71bo$50b2o13b2o4b2o$51bo5bo7b
o$48b3o4b3o3b2o3b3o$48bo5bo6bobo5bo$54b2o3bobob6o$59b2o$65b2o$65b2o!
EDIT 7: BEWARE THE UNNECESSARY BLOCK THAT CREPT INTO GUNTRUE_119!

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x = 50, y = 49, rule = LifeHistory
2.2A3.B2A12.2A$2B2AB2.3AB6.2A2.A.A$2B2A2.AB.BA4B2.A3.A7.4D5.D$2B3A3B4A
BAB3.3A.4A3.D2ED4.D$2BA10BA2B4.A.A2.A3.D2ED3.6D$.BAB4A3B3A2B4.4B5.4D4.
D$.4BAB.BA2.2A2B5.2B15.D$5.B3A2.B2A2B4.5B16.2A.4B$6.2AB3.2A2.9B15.A.A
2B3AB$16.6BA2B15.A.3A2BAB$16.5B3AB.5B8.2A.AB3ABAB$15.6B3A8B5.BAB.4A.B
3A$13.21B2.B3A2B3.2B3A$10.2B.5B9A10B3AB.4A.BAB$9.2A3B2ABA2BABABA2BAB2A
5B.BAB3ABA.2A$9.2AB.ABA4BABABA4BABA4B2.BA2B3A.A$10.B.BABA2BABABABABA2B
ABA3B3.B3A2BA.A$13.5BAB2AB2ABA9B3.4B.2A$14.B2A11B2A7B$14.2B5A3B5A9B$15.
14B.B4.4B$15.14B7.4B$15.13B9.4B$13.11B14.4B$12.13B14.4B$12.14B14.4B$12.
14B15.4B$10.2AB.14B14.4B$9.A.AB.15B14.4B$9.A5.13B16.4B$8.2A3.13B19.4B
$12.14B20.3BA$12.12B23.ABA$13.11B24.2A$14.10B25.B$14.10B$15.2B.B4.4B$
23.A5B$22.AB4A2B$20.3A.2ABA2B$19.A3.BA.3BA$19.AB3A.A3BA$20.3BA.A3B$19.
A3BA.3ABA$19.A3B.AB3.A$19.2BAB2A.3A$19.2B4ABA$20.5BA$22.4B!
EDIT 8: Compacted p4760 gun (6622 -> 5832)

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x = 81, y = 72, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$7b2o2bo$5b3ob2o$4bo$5b3ob2o$7bob2o$30b2o$31bo12b2o$3bo26bo13b2o
5b2o7b2o$2bobo25b2o12b2o5b2o7bo$2bobo39bo13bobo$b2ob2o14bo9b2o10b2obo
12b2o$bo18b3o7bobo$2bob2o12bo4bo7bo10b3o19b2o$obob2o11b4o3bo39bo$2o14b
2ob2o26bobo12bobo$17bo5bo14b3o21b2o$18b2o2bo15bo2bo$21bo5bo12b4o3bo$25b
obo9bo2bo2bo5b2o$26b2o9bobo8b2ob2o$45b2o2bob2o$2b2o41bob2o$bobo41bobo
16b2o$bo58b2obobo$2o58b2obo$64bo$6b2o42b2o8b2ob2o$5bobo42b2o9bobo$5bo
7b2o46bobo$4b2o7b2o5b2o40bo$20b2o$33b2o$33b3o19b2obo$27b2o2bo2bobo18b
2ob3o$27b2o2b2o2b2o24bo$31b2o22b2ob3o$56bobo$56bobo$57bo3b2o$60bobo$30b
o11b2o16bo$28b3o11b2o15b2o$7b2o18bo$8bo18b2o46b2o$7bo40b2o25bo$7b2o8b
o29bo2bo22bobo$9bo6bobo29b2o23b2o$7b3o5bobo$6bo8b2o$6b2o68b2o$37b2o36b
obo$37b2o36bo$74b2o2$14b2o61b2o$14b2o62bo$54b2o19b3o$40b2o13bo19bo$41b
o10b3o21b2o$41bobo8bo24bo$42b2o22b2o5b2o2bob2o$65bo2bo4bobobob2o$61b2o
3bobo6bobo$60bobo4bo7bobo$60bo9b2o4bo$58bob2o8bo$57bobo11b3o$57bo2b2o
11bo$42bo15bobo$43bo13b2o2bo$41b3o16b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk » April 2nd, 2025, 4:56 am

Doublepost for sorting too many edits (Also April Fool's is over, so no more Self-owns about missed opportunities for BB reductions... for now)

Anyways, more 119n gun reductions

Guntrue_1904 (undefined -> 3136). Not sure if the Charity's p16 or blocker are optimal, but works for the purpose of continuing to fill in guns from 1000 to 2000

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x = 48, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
42bo$41b2o3b2o$41b2o3b2o$42bo$41bo2bo$40b3obo$40bo3b2o$17bo23b2o3bo$17b
3o12b2o8bob3o$20bo11b2o8bo2bo$19bo24bo$19bo2bo16b2o3b2o$23bo15b2o3b2o
$21bob2o19bo$19b3o$19b3o12b2o$17bobo13bobo9b2o$16b2obo9bob2o11bobo$b2o
4bo9bobo10bobo2bo8bo$b3ob2obo9bo11bobo10b2o$o7bo25b2o9b2o$5b2ob2o19bo
13b2o2bo$2bo3bo2bo19bo14bob2o$2bo5bo22bo12bo$bo2bo3bo20bo2bo10b2o$b2o
b2o24b2o$2bo7bo$2bob2ob3o$3bo4b2o3$16b2o$15b3o11bobo$14bob2o11b2o$13b
obo14bo$13bo2bo$14b2o$8b2o10b2o9bo4bo$7bobo9bo2bo9bo2bobo$7bo12b2o8bo
bob2ob3o$4b2obo23b2o2bo4bo$5bobob2o20b4o2b4o$5bobob2o20bo2bobo2bo$4b2o
bo7b2o13b4o2b4o$4bo2b4o3bo2bo7b2o3bo4bo2b2o$5b2o3bo4b2o8bobo3b3ob2obo
bo$7b2o18bo5bobo2bo$7bo19b2o5bo4bo$5bobo$5b2o2$9b2o7bo19b2o$17bobo18b
obo$7bo3bo6bo20b3o$7bo4bo27b2o$9bobobo7bo15b2o$10bobobo5bobo14b3o$11b
o4bo2bo2bo$12bo3bo2b3o$38b2o$13b2o23b2o$19b2o$19b2o!
Guntrue_1666 (undefined -> 6375)

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x = 84, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
53b2o$47bob2obobo$47b2obobo$51b2o5$59b2o$52b2o5b2o$51bobo$50bobo$51bo
$b2o5bo12b2o$b2o4b2o7b2o2bobo$5b2o9bo3bo$2bo2b3ob2o2bo3b3ob4o$b3obo2b
ob3o6bobo2bo$o2b2ob3o2bo$7b2o$5b2o4b2o27bo$5bo5b2o26bob2ob2o$39bo5b2o
$38b2obo2bo2bo34b2o$37bo3b3o3bo33bobo$15b2obo18bo9bo35bo$15bo3b2o16bo
3b3o3bo$8b2o5bo3bo17bo2bo2bob2o$8b2o9bo18b2o5bo$23bobo13b2ob2obo$17b2o
5bo7bobo9bo$17b2o14b2o20b2o$33bo21b2o7b2o16b2o$64bo17bo$62bobo15bobo$
62b2o16b2o$12b2o31b2o$12b2o31b2o18b2o$12b3o50b2o2$9b2o3b2ob2o$8bobo5b
3o63b2o$8bo6bo3bo30b2o23b2o5b2o$7b2o7bo2bo26b2o2b2o23b2o$16bobo26bobo
$17bo27b2o23bo$63b2o4bobo$63bo5b2o6b2o$61bobo13bo$61b2o15b3o$22bo4bo52b
o$21bobo2bo44b2obo$19b3ob2obobo41bo2b2o$18bo4bo2b2o15b2obo24bo$18b4o2b
4o15bob2o21b3ob2obo$19bo2bobo2bo39bo2bobob2o$19b4o2b4o38b2o$19b2o2bo4b
o$18bobob2ob3o$20bo2bobo40bo$19bo4bo40bobo$65bo2bo$66b2o2$69b2o$69bob
o$71bo$50b2o13b2o4b2o$51bo5bo7bo$48b3o4b3o3b2o3b3o$48bo5bo6bobo5bo$54b
2o3bobob6o$59b2o$65b2o$65b2o!
Guntrue_2142 (Undefined -> 2350)

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x = 50, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
36bo$24bo9b3o$23bobo7bo$7b2o14bobo7b2o$5bo2bo12b3ob2o$20bo$21b3ob2o10b
2o5b2o$5b2obo14bob2o10b2o4bobo$7bobo2b2o16b2o5b3o3b2o$8bo4bo15bob2o5b
o2bobo$9bo19bobo6b2o2b2o$9bo2bo17bo8bobo$39bo3bo$20bo17bobo3bo$19bob2o
14bo5b2o$17b3o2bo$16bo4b2o14bob2o2bo$16b2o2bo16bo2b4o$17bo20bobo$9bo7b
o2bo16b2obobobo$9b3o5bo21bobob2o$9bo2bo5b2o5b2o12bobo$10bo2bo10bobo13b
2o5bo$10b2obo9b3o19b3o$11b2o10b2o19bo$2o22bobo17b2o$obo22bobo2b2o$2bo
23bo2bobo$2b2o23b4o17b2o$28b2o17bobo$49bo2$34b2o$33bobo$33bo$32b2o6b2o
bo$17bo23b2ob2o$13b4obo22b2o$13b3obobo$18bobo$19bo21b2ob2o$18b2o17b2o
2b2obo3b2o$18b2o17bo6bobo2bo$18b2o18b7ob2o$45bo$40b4obo$40bo2b2o!
Not 119n, but Guntrue_1002 reduced (6405 -> 5214)

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x = 79, y = 66, rule = B3/S23
67b2o$67b2o2$77b2o$77bo$75bobo$75b2o$59b2o$49b2o8b2o$50bo$50bobo22b2o
$28b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$12b2o14bo17bo30bo$12b2o12bobo18bo29b2o$26b2o18b
2o$12b4o$12bo3bo56b2o$15bo57b2o$15bobo$16b2o$12b2o29b2o$12bo30b2o$10b
obo$10b2o4$2o$bo39bo$bobo37b2o$2b2o36bobo11b2o$55bo$52b3o$6b2o44bo23b
2o$5bo2bo67b2o$6bobo54b2o$7bo50b2o2bo2bo$55bo2bo4bobo7b2o$3bo50bobobo
5bo8bobo$b2o52bo2bob2o9bobob3o$3bob3o50bo2bo9b2o5bo$3bo55bo4bo12b2o$8b
o51b5o$3b2obo$5b2obo29bo19b3o2b2o$7b2o27b3o18bo2bo2b2o$10b2o23bo22b2o
$10bobo22b2o26b2o$12bo50b2o$12b2o9b2o6bob2o$22bo2bo3bo4bo$22bobo4bo2b
2o38b2o$23bo5bo3bo37bobo$32bo39bo$18b2o7bob2obo$19bo8bo$16b3o9bo$16bo
51b2o$68b2o$73b2o$73bobo$75bo$60b2o13b2o$50bo10bo$49bo8b3o6b2o$49b3o6b
o8b2o!
Finally, Guntrue_1099 (Undefined -> 10120)

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x = 115, y = 88, rule = B3/S23
33b2o20b2o$32bobo20bobo$26b2o4bo24bo4b2o$24bo2bo2b2ob4o16b4ob2o2bo2bo
$24b2obobobobo2bo16bo2bobobobob2o$27bobobobo22bobobobo$27bobob2o24b2o
bobo$28bo32bo$57bo8bo$41b2o4b2o7b3o7b3o$32b2o7bo6bo6bobobo9bo$32b2o5b
obo6bobo4bo3bo8bobo$39b2o8b3ob2o5b2o6bobo$51b2o4bo4bo6bo22b2o$51b3o2b
ob2o2b2o22bob2obobo$52bob6obo24b2obobo$9bo43b2o35b2o$9b3o42bo$12bo24b
o46b2o$11b2o16b2o5b2o21b2o23b2o$30bo5bobo20bo$27b3o30b3o35b2o$3b2o22b
o34bo28b2o5b2o$3bo58bob2o24bobo$2obo56b2obobo23bobo$o2b3o4b2o48bo2bo26b
o$b2o3bo3b2o50b2o7b2o$3b4o64b2o$3bo15b2o$4b3o12bobo57b2obo$7bo13bo57b
2ob3o$2b5o14b2o62bo$2bo76b2ob3o$4bo73bo2b2o$3b2o24bo47bobo$27b3o29bo11b
3o2bobob3o$26bo32b3o11bo3bo2bo2bo$26b2o34bo9bo7bobobo$61b2o16b2o2bobo
$76bobo2bobobo$24bo39b2o10b2o2b2ob2o$22bobo38b2o2b2o$23b2o38bob4o$63b
3o17bo$16b2o45b2o2b2o12b3o10b2o$15bobo5b2o39b3o2bo10bo13b2o$15bo7b2o39b
2o2b3o9b2o$14b2o35bo14bo2bo31bo$51b3o12b3o32b3o10bo$28bo25bo12bo16b2o
18bo7bobo$24b2obobo23bo30b2o17b2o8b2o$23bobobobo23b2o$20bo2bobobobob2o
18b2o2bo$20b4ob2o2bo2bo17bo2b3o$24bo4b2o20bo23bo$22bobo27b4o6b2o3b2o5b
obo7b2o3b2o$22b2o30bo7b2o3b2o6bo7bo2bo2b2o$56bo26bo2bo$55b2o27b2o$102b
2o$102bo$100bobo$100b2o2$110b2obo$109bo2b2o$85bo24bo$83b3o21b3ob2obo$
82bo23bo2bobob2o$82b2o22b2o3$105bo$104bobo$104bo2bo$105b2o2$108b2o$108b
obo$110bo$89b2o13b2o4b2o$90bo5bo7bo$87b3o4b3o3b2o3b3o$87bo5bo6bobo5bo
$93b2o3bobob6o$98b2o$104b2o$104b2o!
EDIT: Guntrue_2499 (Undefined -> 6525)

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x = 86, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
63b2o$57bob2obobo$57b2obobo$61b2o5$69b2o$62b2o5b2o$61bobo$60bobo$61bo
3$19bo4bo$20bo2bobo$18bobob2ob3o$19b2o2bo4bo$19b4o2b4o11bo2b2o$19bo2b
obo2bo12b4obo$18b4o2b4o17bo$18bo4bo2b2o10b7ob2o$19b3ob2obobo8bo6bobo2b
o$21bobo2bo10b2o2b2obo3b2o$22bo4bo13b2ob2o5$32b2o$33bo7b2o22b2o$7b2o24b
obo5b2o22b2o$8bo25b2o$8bobo61bo$9b2o6bo54b3o10bo$16b3o36b2o18bo7bobo$
16b4o35b2o17b2o8b2o$19b2o$14b2o2b2o$14b5o25b2o$15b4o25bo15bo$19bo25b3o
11bobo$17b2obo26bo11bobo$17bo42bo$17b2obobo21bo$19b2ob2o15b2ob2obo27b
2o$8b2o19b2o7b2o5bo27bo$8b2o8bo11b2o5bo2bo2bob2o24bobo$17b2o10bo7bo3b
3o3bo23b2o$16bo2bo17bo9bo$17b2o18bo3b3o3bo33b2obo$38b2obo2bo2bo32bo2b
2o$39bo5b2o6b2obo24bo$5bo5b2o26bob2ob2o7bob2o21b3ob2obo$5b2o4b2o27bo36b
o2bobob2o$7b2o68b2o$o2b2ob3o2bo$b3obo2bob3o6bobo2bo$2bo2b3ob2o2bo3b3o
b4o51bo$5b2o9bo3bo54bobo$b2o4b2o7b2o2bobo52bo2bo$b2o5bo12b2o53b2o2$79b
2o$79bobo$81bo$60b2o13b2o4b2o$61bo5bo7bo$58b3o4b3o3b2o3b3o$58bo5bo6bo
bo5bo$64b2o3bobob6o$69b2o$75b2o$75b2o!
EDIT 2: Guntrue_3332 in the same (Undefined -> 6525)

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x = 86, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
63b2o$57bob2obobo$57b2obobo$61b2o5$69b2o$62b2o5b2o$61bobo$60bobo$61bo
3$19bo4bo$20bo2bobo$18bobob2ob3o$19b2o2bo4bo$19b4o2b4o11bo2b2o$19bo2b
obo2bo12b4obo$18b4o2b4o17bo$18bo4bo2b2o10b7ob2o$19b3ob2obobo8bo6bobo2b
o$21bobo2bo10b2o2b2obo3b2o$22bo4bo13b2ob2o3$34b2o$33bo2bo5b2o$34bobo5b
2o$32b2obo29b2o$7b2o23b3o30b2o$8bo23b2o$8bobo61bo$9b2o6bo54b3o10bo$16b
3o36b2o18bo7bobo$16b4o35b2o17b2o8b2o$19b2o$14b2o2b2o$14b5o25b2o$15b4o
25bo15bo$19bo25b3o11bobo$17b2obo26bo11bobo$17bo42bo$17b2obobo21bo$19b
2ob2o15b2ob2obo27b2o$8b2o19b2o7b2o5bo27bo$8b2o8bo11b2o5bo2bo2bob2o24b
obo$17b2o10bo7bo3b3o3bo23b2o$16bo2bo17bo9bo$17b2o18bo3b3o3bo33b2obo$38b
2obo2bo2bo32bo2b2o$39bo5b2o6b2obo24bo$5bo5b2o26bob2ob2o7bob2o21b3ob2o
bo$5b2o4b2o27bo36bo2bobob2o$7b2o68b2o$o2b2ob3o2bo$b3obo2bob3o6bobo2bo
$2bo2b3ob2o2bo3b3ob4o51bo$5b2o9bo3bo54bobo$b2o4b2o7b2o2bobo52bo2bo$b2o
5bo12b2o53b2o2$79b2o$79bobo$81bo$60b2o13b2o4b2o$61bo5bo7bo$58b3o4b3o3b
2o3b3o$58bo5bo6bobo5bo$64b2o3bobob6o$69b2o$75b2o$75b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Period1GliderGun » April 2nd, 2025, 1:28 pm

Of the p46n guns with a period below 1000, gun_874 is the only one above 4000 cells. Here is a surprising reduction (4095 -> 1620) via a direct LCM:

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x = 54, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
$35b2o$25b2o6b2ob2o14b2o$25b2o6bo2bo15b2o$33bo2bo$34b2o$12b3o$13b3o18b
2o$17b3o13bo2bo$33bo2bo15b2o$33b2ob2o14b2o$35b2o$o$3o$3bo14b2o$2b2o13b
o2bo$16b2ob2o$8bo9bo$6b2ob2o$6bo2bo13b2o$7b2o14bo$24b3o$26bo4$7b3o$11b
3o26bo$12b3o26bo$39b3o!
Currently on another planet.

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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
[[ STEP 30 ]]

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by jeremydover » April 23rd, 2025, 5:50 pm

Both versions of the Period-25_glider_gun admit a 2-cell stator reduction.

Original 25 x 21 version:

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x = 22, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
13b2o4b2o$13bobo2bobo$15b4o$13bo2b2o2bo$13bo2b2o2bo$15bo2bo$8b2o$9bo$
9bobo$7b2ob2o$8bo9b2o$8bo9bo2bo$6b2ob2o7bo2bo$3bobobo3bo7bobo$3b2o2bob
2o9bo$7bob2o$3b4ob2o$2bo4bo2bo$bobob3obobo$o2bob2obobo$2o2bo4bo!
23 x 22 variant:

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x = 23, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
11b2o4b2o4b1$11b1o1b1o2b1o1b1o4b1$13b1o2b1o6b1$12b2o2b2o5b1$11b3o2b3o4b1$13b1o2b1o6b1$6b2o15b1$7b1o6b1o8b1$7b1o1b1o13b1$5b2o1b2o2b3o8b1$6b1o5b2o1b1o7b1$4b1o1b1o8b3o2b1o1b1o1$3b1o1b1o1b2o3b2o3b2o3b1o1$3b1o1b1o3b1o5b1o6b1o1$2o1b1o1b1o1b2o7b1o4b1o1b1$1b1o1b1o1b1o1b1o10b2o3b1$1o2b2o1b1o16b1$1b2o4b1o15b1$3b5o15b1$3b1o19b1$5b1o17b1$4b2o17b!

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by jeremydover » April 27th, 2025, 4:45 pm

Commensurately, the current minimum p50 glider gun admits a 3-cell stator reduction:

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x = 36, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
11b2o4b2o17b1$11b1o1b1o2b1o1b1o17b1$13b1o2b1o11b2o6b1$12b1o4b1o3b1o2b1o3b1o1b1o5b1$12b1o4b1o3b4o5b1o5b1$12b1o4b1o7b2o2b2o1b2o2b1$6b2o6b2o4b1o1b2o1b1o1b1o3b1o1b1o2b1$4b1o2b1o12b2o1b1o1b1o1b2o1b1o5b1$4b2o1b1o1b1o14b2o5b2o3b1$6b1o1b2o5b2o8b1o1b4o2b1o2b1$6b1o10b1o9b1o2b1o1b1o2b1o1$5b2o8b2o1b1o8b2o3b1o1b2o1$4b1o2b2o9b1o8b2o3b1o3b1$3b1o1b1o3b1o9b1o11b2o3b1$3b1o1b2o1b1o8b2o17b1$2o1b1o1b1o1b1o28b1$1o2b2o31b1$1b2o4b1o28b1$3b5o28b1$3b1o26b1o5b1$5b1o25b1o4b1$4b2o23b3o4b!

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by jeremydover » May 2nd, 2025, 3:56 pm

The current smallest p62 glider gun in Catagolue admits a 1-cell stator reduction:

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x = 89, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
38b2o$37bobo9bo$33b2o2bo9b3o$33bobob2o7bo$35bo10b2o$35b4o5b3o4b2o3b2o
21bo$33b2o3bo4b3o5bo5bo19b3o$32bo2b3o4bo2bo3bobo5bobo16bo$32b2obo6b2o
5b2o7bobo15b2o$5b4o6b4o16bo23bo3b2o$5bo2bo6bo2bo16b2o26b2o$8bo6bo$2o3b
o12bo3b2o18b2o3bo30bo$obob4o8b4obobo18bo2b2o31bo$b4o3bo6bo3b4o20b3o5b
2o$2b6o8b6o22bo6b2o23b2o5b2o$6bo10bo44bobo11b2o5b2o$61bo2bo$6bo10bo44b
o2bob2o$2b6o8b6o22bo20bo2bo$b4o3bo6bo3b4o8b2o10bobo20b2o$obob4o8b4obob
o8b2o3b2o4bobo4b2o14b2o$2o3bo12bo3b2o7bo5bo2bo3bo3bo2bo$8bo6bo22b3o7b
3o30b2obob2o$5bo2bo6bo2bo43b2o8b2o7b2ob2obo$5b4o6b4o17b7o3b7o8bobo7bo
3bo$22bo13bo6bobo6bo8bo13bo$21bobo13bobob2o3b2obobo8b2o7b2o$20bo2bo14b
2obo5bob2o24bo$21b2o20bobo23b2o2b2o3b2o$42b2ob2o2$17b2o$16bobo11b2o$
16bo13bobo39b2ob2o$15b2o13bo41bo3bo$72bo3bo$73bobo$74bo2$60bo27bo$60bo
bo23bobo$47bo12b2o25b2o$47b3o$50bo22bo$49b2o21bobo$71bobo$69b3o2b3o3b
2o$68bo3b2o3bo2b2o$45b3o21b3o2b2obo$45bo25bobo2bo$46bo25bobo$59b2o12bo
$52b2o5bobo$52bo8bo$61b2o2$48bo$47bobob2o$47bobobobo$44b2obobo3bo2bo$
44bo2bo2b2ob4o$46b2o4bo$52bobo$53b2o!
What is perhaps of more interest is where the reduction takes place, namely in what (I think) is a glider-to-pi heptomino converter, which may be more broadly used, in the top-most part of the gun.

Update: Indeed, this can also be used for a 1-cell reduction in the smallest p65 glider gun in Catagolue as well.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by dvgrn » May 2nd, 2025, 4:20 pm

jeremydover wrote:
May 2nd, 2025, 3:56 pm
The current smallest p62 glider gun in Catagolue admits a 1-cell stator reduction:
...
What is perhaps of more interest is where the reduction takes place, namely in what (I think) is a glider-to-pi heptomino converter, which may be more broadly used, in the top-most part of the gun.
That's a speed tunnel. The 30-cell catalyst that you've made a 29-cell version of can be seen in the Jubjub reflector. Both variants are often called "drifty eater 3"; the 29-cell form can be seen here, for example. The Eater 3 article also has the 30-cell form.

The cost savings comes from reducing the clearance at the bottom of the catalyst, kinda sorta substituting a table inductor for an eater head.

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x = 17, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
6b2o7b2o$2b2obobo6bobo$3bobo4b2o2bo$3bob2o3bobob2o$2obo8bo$o2b4o5b4o$
b2o3bo3b2o3bo$3b3o3bo2b3o$3bo5b2obo$bobo8bo$b2o9b2o!
There's an alternate catalyst shown in the speed-tunnel article with only 19 cells and much better clearance -- but it sticks up two cells higher, so it's not optimal in the context of the p62 gun.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by jeremydover » May 2nd, 2025, 4:42 pm

Excellent, thanks for the education dvgrn! I don't really grok circuitry beyond the highest level sense, so it is useful to see it in action.

And since I'm here, the p69 glider gun in Catagolue admits a 4-cell stator reduction: it gets 1 cell from the same speed tunnel reduction as p62 and p65, but there's also a 3-cell reduction in the still life at the muzzle of the gun which fashions the glider:

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x = 85, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
27b2o$26bobo9bo$22b2o2bo9b3o$22bobob2o7bo$24bo10b2o$24b4o4bo7b2o$22b2o
3bo3bobo6bobo33bo$21bo2b3o3bo2bo4bobob3o31bo$21b2obo6b2o5b2o5bo23b2o5b
o$24bo19b2o23bo7bobo$24b2o41bobo6bob2o2b2o$63b2o2b2o8b6obo$42bo20b2o
19bo$42bo2b2o33b4o$26bo14bo5bo32bo$26b2o14bobo2b2o31bob2o$25bobo14bo3b
2o27b2o3bo$44b3o28b2o6bo$84bo$33bo29b2o17bobo$32bobo27bo19b2o$26b2o4bo
bo4b2o21bo4bo$26bo2bo3bo3bo2bo22b6o$27b3o7b3o28bo$51b2o13bobo$3b2o20b
7o3b7o8bobo12bo$4bo20bo6bobo6bo8bo11b2obobo$2bo23bobob2o3b2obobo8b2o
11bo2bo8bo9bo$2b5o14b2o4b2obo5bob2o23b3o7bobob2o3bobo$7bo13bo10bobo29b
o6b3obobo5b2o$4b3o12bobo9b2ob2o34bo3bo4bo$3bo10bo4b2o49b2o2bob4o$3b4o
8b2o46b2o10bo$b2o3bo3bo2b3o47b2o12bo$o2b3o4bo2b2o61b2o$2obo$3bo$3b2o2$
46bo$11b2o33bobo$12bo33b2o$9b3o20bo$9bo22b3o$35bo$34b2o3$30b2o$29b2o$
31bo2$44b2o$37b2o5bobo$37b2o7bo$46b2o2$33bo$32bobob2o$32bobobobo$29b2o
bobobobo2bo$29bo2bo2b2ob4o$31b2o4bo$37bobo$38b2o!

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by dvgrn » May 2nd, 2025, 5:09 pm

jeremydover wrote:
May 2nd, 2025, 4:42 pm
And since I'm here, the p69 glider gun in Catagolue admits a 4-cell stator reduction: it gets 1 cell from the same speed tunnel reduction as p62 and p65, but there's also a 3-cell reduction in the still life at the muzzle of the run which fashions the glider...
Ha, I think that might be a new one! It's a lower-population variant of the catalyst in the PSE3T-5 converter. Technically I suppose it's also just slightly lower clearance to the southwest and south, but not by an amount that will often cause trouble. And it's higher clearance in the southeast, anyway.

I'm thinking that it might be a new variant, just because it isn't in Jormungant's most recent (2024) elementary conduits collection, which has the following for "PSE3T-5", matching what's in Catagolue for the p69 gun:

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x = 41, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
4D3.3D2.5D2.3D2.5D7.5D$D3.D.D3.D.D5.D3.D3.D9.D$D3.D.D5.D9.D3.D9.D$4D3.
3D2.3D5.2D4.D3.5D2.3D$D9.D.D9.D3.D13.D$D5.D3.D.D5.D3.D3.D9.D3.D$D6.3D
2.5D2.3D4.D10.3D10$17.2A$15.2B2AB6.2A$15.4B7.A$15.6B2.BA.A$15.7B.B2A$
16.3C5B$18.C5B$16.3C5B$16.8B$16.9B$15.11B$15.BAB.B3.4B$15.A.A.2A3.4B$
13.3A.ABA5.3B$12.A3.A4.A4.2B$13.A2.A.4A5.B$14.A.A.A$15.A3.3A$21.A!
Those systematic IDs for Herschel-to-glider converters usually get mentioned when an improvement is made. But there just aren't a lot of matches for "PSE3T-5" on the forums so far.

Notice that the ridiculous period-3 thing at the top of the converter in the p69 gun ... is really just a plain fishhook eater, turned into an oscillator at the cost of a much bigger population -- but saving one column in the gun's bounding box.

Long story short, population optimization isn't really consistently done in Catagolue's gun collection -- not yet, anyway. Until Scorbie's pull request for the gun recognition algorithm goes in, it isn't even possible to replace existing large-population guns, with new guns like the ones you're coming up with (with smaller population but the same bounding box).

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by confocaloid » May 2nd, 2025, 8:21 pm

dvgrn wrote:
May 2nd, 2025, 5:09 pm
[...] Until [...] pull request for the gun recognition algorithm goes in, it isn't even possible to replace existing large-population guns, with new guns like the ones you're coming up with (with smaller population but the same bounding box).
As far as I can tell, the only recent pull request is already merged. However, it didn't even attempt to implement "preferring lower bitcount when the bounding box is the same", that change only aimed to resolve the old "bounding box glitch" bug. Related discussion viewtopic.php?p=210279#p210279
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by jeremydover » May 2nd, 2025, 10:08 pm

Got it. I'll stop spamming here in that case, unless I can find a bounding box improvement. Thanks for the guidance!

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by dvgrn » May 2nd, 2025, 11:09 pm

jeremydover wrote:
May 2nd, 2025, 10:08 pm
Got it. I'll stop spamming here in that case, unless I can find a bounding box improvement. Thanks for the guidance!
We do kind of want to keep some attention on the problem of getting Catagolue to accept lower-population same-bounding-box guns, though -- it would finally solve the problems our that mysterious Pointless Densification Spammer keeps causing, of submitting guns with piles of extra garbage inside the bounding box. One of these days! So this was a good series of reminder posts.

Anyway, things like the new PSE3T-5 variant are definitely interesting and worth collecting. There are collection threads scattered around where it might work best to post these things; the PSE3T-5 variant might go in The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits thread, for example. If you're not sure where something might go, the Thread for your unsure discoveries can be a good starting point.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk » May 3rd, 2025, 2:53 am

Guntrue_1376 reduced by 1 row and 1 column (2420->2322)

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x = 43, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
35bo$33b3o$32bo8bo$32b2o5b3o$38bo$38b2o$21b2o$20bo5b2o$21bo4bo8b2o$22b
o8bo2b2o$25bo5b4o6b2o$32b2o4b2o2bo$29b2ob2o4bob2o$29b3o$21bo7bobo7b3o
$20bobo6bobo6bo2bo$19bo2bo6bobo6bobo$19b3o7bobo7bo$29b3o$19b2obo4b2ob
2o$12b2o4bo2b2o4b2o$11b3o4b2o6b4o5bo$10bob2o11b2o2bo8bo$9bobo12b2o8bo
4bo$9bo2bo20b2o5bo$10b2o26b2o$4b2o$3bobo$3bo23b2o$2obo24bo$bobob2o5bo
12b3o$bobob2o4b2o12bo$2obo6b2o2b2o$o2b4o3bo2b2obo4b2o$b2o3bo3bobob2o5b
obo$3b2o6b3o9bo5b2o$3bo19b2o4b3o$5bo23b2obo$4b2o25bobo$30bo2bo$11bo19b
2o$6b3ob2o2b2o9b2o10b2o$6b4o4b2o8bo2bo9bobo$10b2o13b2o12bo$31bo7bob2o
$31b3o2b2obobo$32b2o2b2obobo$31bo7bob2o$20b2o10bo3b4o2bo$19bobo10bo3b
o3b2o$19bo18b2o$18b2o5bo13bo$24bo12bo$24b3o10b2o!
EDIT: whoops wrong gun

Guntrue_816 also reduced - though the original form in catagolue had the wrong bounding box anyways (2430->2376, block is for proper bounding box)

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x = 54, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
32bo$22bo7b3o$21bobo5bo$22bo6b2o$25bo$24bo2bo$22b2o3bo20b2o$22b2obob2o
19bo$22b2o3bobo16bobo$18b2o7b2o17b2o$17bobo4b3o$17bo15b2o$16b2o13bobo
16b2o$20b2o9b2o17bo$19bobo26bobo$12b2o5bo17b2o9b2o$11b3o4b2o16bobo13b
2o$10bob2o10bo10b2o15bo$9bobo12bobo16b3o4bobo$9bo2bo11b2o15b2o7b2o$10b
2o28bobo3b2o$4b2o35b2obob2o$3bobo36bo3b2o$3bo38bo2bo$2obo40bo$bobob2o
32b2o6bo$bobob2o20b2o11bo5bobo$2obo7b2o14b2obo6b3o7bo$o2b4o3bo2bo7b2o
8bo5bo$b2o3bo4b2o8bobo4bo$3b2o18bo5bob2o$3bo19b2o6b2o$5bo$4b2o$26bo$11b
o13bobo$6b3ob2o2b2o10bo4b6o$6b4o4b2o14bo2b4o$10b2o17bo2b2o$30b2o2$27b
o$2o26bo$2o24b3o!
Guntrue_848 reduced as well, using the Rob's p16 Charity support (4092 -> 4035)

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x = 62, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
27bo11b2o$26bobo10b2o$18bo3b2o2bobo$11b2o4bobo2bo2b2ob2o$11bo5bobo3bo
bo$8b2obo6bob4o2bob2o$8bobo9bo3bobob2o$19bo3bobo$18bo3bobo$18b2o3bo2$
3b2o$3b2o$31b2o$31b2o$46b2o$45bo2bo$46b2obo$49bo$49b2o$2o32b2o$2o33bo
13b2o$6b2o24b3o14b2o5b2o$6b2o24bo23b2o3$4b2o23bo24b2o$4b2o5b2o14b3o24b
2o$11b2o13bo18b3o12b2o$26b2o15b2o15b2o$11b2o30b2obob2o$12bo30b4o2bo$12b
ob2o28bo4bo$13bo2bo28b4o$14b2o23bobo3b2o$29b2o8b2o$29b2o9bo$57b2o$12b
o44b2o$11bobo$11bobo24bo3b2o$8b2obob2o22bobo3bo$7bobobo3bo20bobo3bo$6b
obo3b5obo13b2obobo3bo9bobo$5bob3o6bo2bo12b2obo2b4obo6bob2o$6bo2bob2o2b
2o19bobo3bobo5bo$9bobo20b2ob2o2bo2bobo4b2o$10bobo3bobo14bobo2b2o3bo$7b
o2bobobobo2bo13bobo$7b2obo2bo3b2obo13bo$10bo3b3o3bo$10b2o4bo3b2o$25bo
$24bobo$16bo8bo$15b5o$18b3o6bo$25b3o$18b4obo$15b2obob2obo$21bo$16bo$15b
obo8b2o14bo$16bo9b2o15bo$41b3o!
Guntrue_432 reduced by a row due to reaction envelope (1650 -> 1600)

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x = 49, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
18bo$6bo5bo5b3o7b2o$5bobo3bobo7bo5bo2bo$4bo2bo3bobo6b2o6b2o$4bobob2ob
ob3o$5b2obob2o4bo20b2o$8bo3b3o9b3o10bo$5b2ob2obobo10bo10bobo$5bob2obo
7bo5bo10b2o$2b2obobobo2b3o10b2obo$3bo2bo2b2obo4bo10b2o$3bo5bo2bob2o$4b
4obob2obo$8b2obo3bo18bo5bobo3bobo$6bo5b2ob3o16b2o3bo6bobo$6b6o2bo3bo15b
2o4bo3b2o2bo$12bobo2b2o16bo6bobo$4b8obo29bo3bo$4bo6bo7b3o21bob2o$6b2o
bo2bo28b2o2b2o$2b4obob2obo4bo5bo19bo$bo5bo2bob2o3bo5bo$bo2b2o2bobo3bo
2bo5bo14bo$2obob4obo3bo22bobo$3bo2bo3bo3bo4b3o16bo4b6o$3b2o3b2o4bo27b
o2b4o$5b2o3b2ob2o26bo2b2o$3b2obob2o3bo13bo14b2o$2bobob2obob2o9b3ob2o2b
2o$2bo2bo3bobo10b4o4b2o7bo$3bobo3bobo14b2o12bo$4bo5bo27b3o!
same for Guntrue_176 (1344 -> 1302)

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x = 31, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
14bo$14b3o$10bo6bo$10b3o3b2o$4bo8bo$4b3o5b2o5bo4bo$7bo9b2obo2bobo$6b2o
12b3obo2$15bo2bo$18bobo$16b3obo$2o14b2obo$bo21b2o$bobo19bobo$2b2o9b2o
10bo$13bobo9b2o$13bo2bo$14b2o$9b2o$9b2o$2bo$bobo$2bo10b2o$13bo$9b2o3b
3o$9bo6bo$10b3o$12bo$22bo$21bobo6bo$13bo8bo5bobo$12bobo14b2o$18bo6bo$
12bo2bo2bo5bobo$16b2obo3bo2bo$14b2o7bobo$14bo2b2o4b3o$12b2o3b2o4b2o$16b
o6b2o$12b3o8b2o!
Last edited by WhiteHawk on May 3rd, 2025, 3:55 am, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by confocaloid » May 3rd, 2025, 3:30 am

Unfortunately the p3 eater trick doesn't appear to be applicable in this case -

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x = 73, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
32bo$22bo7b3o2bobobobobobobobobobobo3b2o5b2o$21bobo5bo28bo2bobobo2bo$
22bo6b2o27b2o3bobob2o$65bobo$24bo37b4obo$22b3o23b2o17b3o$21bo26bo18b2o
$21b4obo19bobo18bobo$18b2o5bo20b2o20bob3o$17bobo13bo$17bo14bobo$16b2o
12b2o2b2o14b2o$20b2o8b2ob3obo12bo$19bobo8b2obo2bob2o8bobo$19bo12bob3ob
2o8b2o$12b3o3b2o14b2o2b2o12b2o$10bob3o20bobo14bo$9bobobo9bo12bo13bobo$
9bo2bo9bo21bo5b2o$10b2o10b3o18bob4o$4b2o42bo$3bobo39b3o$3bo41bo$2obo
23b2o$bobob2o32b2o6bo$bobob2o18bo3bo10bo5bobo$2obo7b2o12bo4bo6b3o7bo$o
2b4o3bo2bo7b2o4bobobo5bo$b2o3bo4b2o8bobo4bobobo$3b2o18bo5bo4bo$3bo19b
2o5bo3bo$5bo$4b2o25b2o$12b2o12bo$12b3o10bobo$6b2o2bo2bobo10bo4b2o2b2o$
6b2o2b2o2b2o14bobo2b2o$10b2o17bo2bo$30b2o!
- and it appears that gun_816 is going to be stuck with incorrectly computed and stored bounding box area from before the fix, while the new submissions are going to be processed correctly but compared against the old data and rejected.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk » May 3rd, 2025, 4:42 am

Here's a very nice reduction to guntrue_1008 using a variety of helpful techniques (1560 -> 1476)

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x = 41, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
6bo$6b3o6b2o9b2o3bo$9bo4bo2bo7bo2bobobo$8b2o4b3o2b5o2b2o3bobo$17b2o5b
2o2b2obobo$11b2o3bo9bobobobob2obo$10bobo3b2obo3bobobo4bobob2o$10b2o9b
o4bo5b2o3$20b2o$9bo10b2o$9b2o17b2obo$6bo4bo16b2o3bo$6bo4bo15bo5bo$11b
o3b2o11b2o3bo$b2o3bo21bo3bo$6bo4bo17bo$6bo4bo19b3o$7b2o$8bo28b2o$37bo
$38b3o$21bo18bo$6b2o12bobo$2b2obo2bo3bo8bo$o2bobobo3b5o$2o3bo8b3o6bo$
5bo15b3o$5bo2bo5b4obo$2b2o2b2o3b2obob2obo$bobo13bo$bo10bo$2o9bobo8b2o
14bo$12bo9b2o15bo$37b3o!
Leading to a reduction of Guntrue_3024 (2365->2214)

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x = 54, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
6bo$6b3o6b2o9b2o3bo$9bo4bo2bo7bo2bobobo$8b2o4b3o2b5o2b2o3bobo$17b2o5b
2o2b2obobo$11b2o3bo9bobobobob2obo$9b2obo3b2obo3bobobo4bobob2o$21bo4bo
5b2o$11bo2$7bo12b2o$6bo13b2o12bo$5b5o3bo20bo$5bo2bo2bo3bo7b2o9b2o$4b3o
8bo6b2obo$3b2o2bo3b2o2bo6b2obo9b3o$2bo2b2o3bo2b2o9bo9bobo$2bo8b3o21bo
$2bo3bo2bo2bo$4bo3b5o$11bo25b2o$10bo26bo3bo$38b4o$6bo14bo$20bobo17b4o
$2b2obob2o3bo8bo17bo3bo$o2bob2o4bobo25b2o$2o10bo11bo$17bo5bobo22b2o$6b
2o3b2obob2obo2bo2bo22bobo$2b2o2b2o6b4obo2b3o25bo$bobo38bo7bob2o$bo12b
3o25b3o2b2obobo$2o9b5o6b2o19b2o2b2obobo$12bo9b2o18bo7bob2o$31b2o10bo3b
4o2bo$30bobo10bo3bo3b2o$30bo18b2o$29b2o5bo13bo$35bo12bo$35b3o10b2o!
EDIT: Guntrue_6048 (Undefined -> 3132)

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x = 54, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
6bo$6b3o6b2o4bo4b2o3bo$9bo4bo2bobo3bobo2bobobo$8b2o4b3o9b2o3bobo$17b2o
5b2o2b2obobo$11b2o3bo2b5o2bobobobob2obo$10bobo3b2o7bobo4bobob2o$10b2o
14bo5b2o3$8b3o12bo10b2o$8b3o12b3o8b2o$7bo2b3o11bo$7b3o3bo$7b2obo3bo7b
o6b2o$5b2o3bo2bo7bob2o5bo$4bo2bo3b2o8bob2o2bobo$3bo3bob2o14b3o$4bo3b3o
10b3o3bo$5b3o2bo10b2o$7b3o27b2o$7b3o27bo3bo$38b4o$21bo$6b2o12bobo17b4o
$2b2obobo4bo8bo17bo3bo$o2bob2o4bobo25b2o$2o8bo2bo$18bo5b2o22b2o$6b2o3b
o4bobo3bobo23bobo$2b2o2b2o4b2obo3bo2b2o26bo$bobo8bo2bob2o31bob2o$bo10b
ob2o31b2obobo$2o9b2o9b2o23b2obobo$22b2o17b2o7bob2o$31b2o7bo2bo3b4o2bo
$30bobo8b2o4bo3b2o$30bo18b2o$29b2o19bo$25b2o21bo$25b2o21b2o3$16b2o$16b
obo$17bo4$20b2o$20b2o$15b2o$14bobo$14bo$13b2o13b2o$28bo10bo$21b2o6b3o
8bo$21b2o8bo6b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Vort » May 3rd, 2025, 5:03 am

confocaloid wrote:
May 2nd, 2025, 8:21 pm
... that change only aimed to resolve the old "bounding box glitch" bug. ...
confocaloid wrote:
May 3rd, 2025, 3:30 am
... while the new submissions are going to be processed correctly but compared against the old data and rejected.
I was surprised to see this merge was made without subsequent database rebuild, despite it was mentioned in #30.

(gun_1560: 2537 -> 1443 to stay on topic)

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x = 39, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
10.5BA$3.B4.6BABAB4.BA$2.2AB.7BA3B2AB.BABA$2.2A9BA3B2A3BABA$3.10BA3B
2A4BA2B$3.11BABA9B$5.B4.5BA4.7B$20.2ABAB2A$20.A5BA$20.BA3BAB$20.2B3A
2B10.A$14.3B3.7B9.A.A$13.5B3.5B9.A2BA$6.A6.5B3.5B2.2A2.6B$6.3A4.7B2.
5BA4B4ABA$9.A2.13B.B2AB.B2A3B$8.2A3.BA7B5.3A2BA.BA$8.3B.B3A7B4.BA.B.A
.A$3.B6.B2ABAB2A6B5.2A.A.A.A$2.3AB3.2B2A12B6.A.A.2A$2.B3A3.9BAB2.4B5.
A.A$4.B.11BA5.4B5.2A$6.3BA6BAB6.4B$5.8BA4B7.4B$4.5BA8B8.4B$4.6B2A6B9.
4B$4.6BABA4B2.2A7.4B$2.2A.6B2A3B4.A8.4B$2.A4.12B.A.2A6.4B$A.A3.4B2.5B
2A.2A.A6.5B$2A4.2B2AB.2B4.A12.5B$4.2AB.2A6.A.A9.3B2.4B$3.A.AB9.2A5.B
2.2A3B3.4B$3.A18.2A2B2A2B2A3.3BA$2.2A18.ABA2BA2B2A4.ABA$23.3A2B2.B6.
2A$23.B2A12.B!

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